If you voted for brexit did you get what you wanted?

It really doesn't matter though.

We will rise or fall on our own innovation and profitable ideas.

The vote for the Nazis in 1930 has resulted in Germany being a world leading country post WW2.
Voting Trump or Biden has made very little difference to the world

Moan if you want but actually nice people with good ideas are still possible post EU.

Meanwhile we are still banging on about a mythical 'special relationship' with the USA.

We had a seat at head of the table with our continental neighbours and serious clout as a member of the EU. I struggle to understand why some still think Brexit was a good idea. When you leave aside the self serving agendas of disaster capitalists, ideological nutjobs, and the bigots who still feast on right wing tabloid media, who does this act of monumental self harm help?

The UK is a madhouse. We adore the Royals whilst blaming poor brown folk on boats for everything that is wrong and broken.

Maybe this new government will inject some much needed common sense to a very very lost nation.

Exactly. Well said. This is just a minuscule example. Then widen it 1000%.

For any that look outside the UK, or even their front door will have seen that Europe in general has many problems and most of them are the same as the UK in 2016. The war in Ukraine and the stranglehold of Russia and the USA on gas and oil supplies to Western Europe has caused a massive shift in world trade, combined with other wars the world is in a LOT more precarious state than the happy days around 2012 or thereabouts before Putin invaded Chechyia and so on. The promises by Leave relied on total world stability and left no room for upheavals. The EU is tasked with climate change countermeasures and self reliance as world trade (shipping stuff relatively cheaply) was trashing the planet and not sustainable. The UK has put itself into isolation and falls out of many agreements it had before Brexit so 'prospering' will be doubly difficult, as therre is not much that people in Asiatic countries really want or need specifically from the UK that they cannot get locally. Thus the 'trading globally' argument for Leave has been trashed.

The claim that the EU is run by unelected bureaucrats shows a deep misunderstanding of how the EU is governed. The extent of the power they have over individual country legislation is minimal. This is one of the lies trumpeted by the leave campaign.

We have to take on a lot of EU legislation anyway due to the global economy we live in now. Not to mention that it just makes a lot of sense. Just as an example the EU recently legislated that bottle tops should be attached to bottles/cartons etc because the individual lids were not being recycled and were causing a lot of environmental damage. The UK did not want to introduce this but due to economies of scale companies are not going to make an EU lid and a UK lid so the UK now gets the EU lid.

Going forward the EU will continue to get stronger, the contries within it will get wealthier and we are massively missing out by isolating ourselves. We had such a sweet deal within the EU and so much power and now we have no say at all but will have to take on much of the rules anyway to stay competitive.

Everyone I know that voted for brexit did it to so that they wouldn't have to have country legislation decided by unelected eu commisioners. They're happy cause that did happen.

I agree the main benefit is being out of the EU. On balance, at the time of the vote, I felt that a future outside of the EU was better than one in it because at least outside of the EU we have potential to do great things. OK we haven't, because we just replace one shit lot of MPs with another lot of shit MPs (a bit like swapping a box full of golden retriever turds for a box full of doberman turds, maybe one is less bad but it's still unpleasant shit). But the point is, in the unlikely event we ever elect a government of capable people, the country has the potential to prosper.

Remember, we weren't voting to remain in the EU as it was in 2016, permanently frozen in time. We were voting to continue a process of ever-closer union.

The choice to me in 2016 wasn't clear cut. I saw the choices as a worse future in the EU, or a worse future out of it. The decision was not which would improve our lives, it was which would be the least terrible in the long term.

At the time my feeling was that if we left the EU, for a decade or so things would be worse than if we remained, but after that they might be better. I now feel two decades is more realistic. I made the mistake of assuming if we voted leave, remainers would get behind the idea eventually and decide that it was better to make the best of the situation rather than hope things went badly so they could say "I told you so." That was a mistake on my part. Another mistake was thinking we'd leave within a year or so of the vote and not drag it out until the end of the decade. Then Covid hit and the whole world took a hammering.

It's important to remember that the pre-vote Cameron period was hardly a golden era. It's also important to note that the rest of the world has suffered from many of the same things Britain has suffered from since leaving the EU. Inflation, energy costs and mass migration are problems many countries have.

Yes things are worse now than they were in 2016. But they'd be worse than they were back then if we had voted to remain. Honestly I don't feel any regret at the way I voted. If anything, it just reinforces my feeling that however we vote in any referendum or election it doesn't really matter. The only reliable truth is "today is bad, but tomorrow will be worse."

Yes, it is like losing a leg to a car accident and stating that losing the leg was the benefit. Why do people not understand that?

Essentially the tautological benefit of Brexit was Brexit.

I don’t understand why remainers want to see a tangible benefit from Brexit, why can’t there not be any? Brexit itself was the benefit despite all the things we have lost.

Because there are so many benefits to being in the EU which have now been lost.
Because being out of the EU will bring very few if any benefits.
Because the arguments put forward by the leave campaign have been proven to be lies and have not materialised.
Because it's better to be part of a group than isolate yourself from your neighbours both in the short term and the long term.

Because blindly voting for something without weighing up the costs and benefits and still supporting it even though it is has been hugely detrimental to your country and being unable to analyse it intellectually is I am sorry to say "stupid" and this is why people cannot accept or understand it.

Yeah I just love the huge queues at passport control when I go away. It’s so much better queuing for an hour than being waved through in 2 mins.

@Mabelthebore . Ok well I guess @Fifthtimelucky spelt out why leaving was benefit enough. I get the feeling Remain is not good with intangibles.

Many things which are difficult are better long term. Climate change happens because cars, central heating and consumerism are all brilliant benefits humans enjoy. Until we pay the price with global warming.
We have the Egyptian pyramids and beautiful 1000 year old cathedrals because there was an elite that huge wealth at the expense of cheap labour.
Its great in the U.K. that we have cheap, delicious food available pretty much round the clock. Until it makes us fat and ill.

I don't know why people can't accept that for some Leave voters, not being in the organisation that is the EU is the actual benefit.

We had a veto in a limited number of specific policy areas (plus a few opt outs);

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/unanimity/

Otherwise -
"Qualified majority is the most widely used voting method in the Council."

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/qualified-majority/

As far as I am aware at least six of my links are new.

Thank you for this.

I voted Leave. Don't regret it. Do think it could have been handled better and am pissed off at the wasted time spent due to those remoaners battling against the result.

Had we still been just in the EEC, I would have voted remain. However, as this poster says, there is the aim of ever closer union, and I don't think it is in the best interests of any of the member countries to be forced into a United States of Europe.

Interestingly, although we have only seen small growth it is better than Germany. We are not the only part of Europe dealing with a cost of living crisis due to the rise in energy prices as a result of the war in Ukraine.

Due to that and Covid, it's very difficult to assess the impact of Brexit on its own, almost everything is all mixed together. Import duties and immigration are perhaps the only things I can think of which I think can be quantified.

It's interesting that the French don't care about the boats heading our way. The people in Calais where they all congregate might feel differently. After all, if there was no opportunity for them to get the UK, there would be no need for them to loiter there. It would therefore also benefit that part of France if we could find a solution.

Unfortunately with this answer you are just reaffirming the attitude that those who voted for Brexit are stupid.

I don't think you are stupid, I know people had their reasons. I was interested to know what benefits you feel.

@Mabelthebore . The benefit is simply not being in the EU.

All the other benefits/ losses like trade, holidays, immigration are negotiable and will change over time, for better or worse. The Common Market was fine, being part of a small trading partnership. Being part of a massive federal Europe was not.

A brief summary would be sufficient.
Interested to know the benefits we have as a result of Brexit.

Of course. But Clav is only "spamming". Despite the question actually being for Leave voters.

Are posters still going after one poster like this..

Well well in C'n'p inova spamming threads with old links again

Poppyzbrite4

Yes, I did get what I wanted. I wanted us leave and that's what happened.

I also gave up justifying my decision on here years ago because apparently all leavers 51.9% are stupid and only the remainders really understand politics.

But like I said i'm not going to go over numerous conversations over and over again it's been 8 years time to move on and appreciate life what we have got.

November 2008

A leading supermarket has been forced to ditch a healthy eating campaign at the eleventh hour after discovering its staff could be individually prosecuted under EU regulations.

Sainsbury's planned to launch Halloween 'zombie brains' cauliflowers, 'witches fingers' carrots and 'ogres toenails' cucumbers using under-sized and misshapen vegetables that are currently banned from sale.

'We knew it was illegal but we were happy to take that risk as a company and say: "Bring it on, EU."

'But last week we discovered it wouldn't actually be us as a company that would be prosecuted. It would be individual store managers. And, obviously we could not ask our staff to risk a criminal record for the good of the company.'

The supermarket chain has now launched a 'Save Our British Fruit and Veg' campaign, in a bid to force the EU to relax its strict specifications on selling cheaper 'imperfect' fresh produce.

Strict EU regulations dictate the shape, size and appearance of 36 fruits and vegetables. For example, it is illegal for supermarkets to sell a cauliflower less than 11cm in diameter, carrots that are forked (with more than one root) or onions with less than two-thirds covered in skin.

The regulations have long caused outrage among farmers, retailers and environmentalists, including the Prince of Wales, whose own 'knobbly' organic carrots have been rejected for sale.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/nov/02/sainsbury-supermarkets-eu-regulation-halloween

Shakeoffyourchains
lets look at the one of the most beloved anti-EU myths, the 'bendy banana' law. Brexiteers loved to use this as an example of the EUs overreach and bureaucracy gone mad. Only problem with this narrative is that it's entirely false.
Directive 2257/94, to give it its real name, was a regulation regarding the classification of bananas and had nothing to do with banning the sale of them.

So, the standards do indeed say that excessively bendy bananas may not be sold for human consumption, but can be for industrial processing. So something is banned under the regulation: excessively bendy bananas being sold for direct human consumption.

However, that's not actually what the problem with this is. The problem is that this regulation has the force of law. It is, in theory, possible that someone could be prosecuted for selling bendy (OK, too bendy) bananas for human consumption.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/12/to-properly-explain-the-eus-bendy-bananas-rules-yes-theyre-real/

I do not think it means what you think it means 😂

The estimate was actually 0.04% or 0.08% from DIT - however both estimates were static, based on current membership, not based on what future membership might look like;

The economic benefit of CPTPP increases as the commitments within the agreement are developed further and the agreement itself grows to include new members. So far, China, Taiwan, Ecuador, Costa Rica and Uruguay have applied to join. More recently Ukraine has joined this list. South Korea, Thailand and the Philippines have all also expressed an interest...

https://www.deloitte.com/uk/en/services/tax/research/the-uk-in-cptpp-our-analysis.html