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To find it hard to maintain friendships with people who have had abusive relationships?

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Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 11:40

I have a close friend, a guy, whose previous relationship was quite abusive. We were very close, but I’ve noticed that whenever we have disagreements he tends to retreat and goes silent, actively ignoring me for a few days to a week. He’s explained that his reaction is influenced by the abuse he experienced, as he’s very conflict-avoidant now. He’s always apologetic and explains himself once he comes out of his silence.

I’m struggling with this dynamic and finding it challenging to maintain our friendship, even though I understand where he’s coming from.

AIBU to feel this way, or is it a common issue when dealing with friends who have had similar experiences?

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SomeFinElse · 08/09/2024 16:24

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 16:13

The situation involved more than just a simple disagreement. It’s about a breakdown in communication and trust, with issues like a lack of clear dialogue, problematic handling of conflict, and significant emotional impact. Both of us have been affected by how the fallout was managed, particularly through avoidance. It’s this pattern of handling our issues that’s causing concern for me regarding the overall dynamic of our friendship. I hope this provides some clarity.

WTAF? This sounds like you’ve been married 14 years and are going to Relate…. Not a year-long platonic friendship. 🥴

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 16:23

OrwellianTimes · 08/09/2024 15:20

Honestly this reads like he is using abusive tactics on you. Stonewalling and silent treatment is not normal behaviour and is not the standard traumatic response. If he was subjected to long term abuse it’s possible he used the same tactics back to try and survive and as such doesn’t really know how to relate to people in the normal way. Cycles of abuse are pretty common - the abused goes on to abuse others.

Honestly with so many fractions I’d question whether it might be wise to take a bit of a step back from this friendship. I’ve never argued or fallen out with any of my long term Friends or more recent friends - but I had one short friendship a few years back that was similar to what you described. The lady had a lot of problems, very vocal about past trauma, and she was constantly creating so much drama within a friendship group. I took a step back for a few weeks and she blocked me on everything - it was very hurtful at the time, never got any explanation, but I can see looking back she was trying to control everyone in the group and lived off creating drama and power struggles. My life is so much simpler and calmer now!

I’m definitely questioning whether the patterns in this friendship are healthy and sustainable. I understand that trauma can affect behaviour, but it’s also important for me to consider how these dynamics affect my own wellbeing. Taking a step back might be the right approach.

Thank you for sharing your experience, it’s helpful to hear different viewpoints.

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Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 16:21

nosyupnorth · 08/09/2024 15:14

I think I know what you mean OP. Some people here are acting like the you are in the wrong for disagreeing with him at all, but it is challenging to maintain a relationship with someone for whom a minor difference of opinion over what to have for lunch or if a movie was good can trigger a trauma response to the percieved conflict and cause them to react in ways that most people would consider disproportionate.
It's good to be sympathetic to his issues, but if your friend is putting you in a position where every time you displease him he will react like you're his abuser, then you aren't at all unreasonable to find that stressful and unsustainable in a friendship and put some distance between you until he has a better handle on his reactions.

Thank you for understanding. It’s a challenge to manage a friendship when minor disagreements trigger a strong trauma response. While I want to be supportive and empathetic, it’s also important to recognise how these reactions affect the friendship and my wellbeing. Finding a balance between being understanding and maintaining a healthy dynamic is tough. I appreciate your perspective on this.

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Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 16:16

BobbyBiscuits · 08/09/2024 15:07

Well, me and plenty of my friends have been in abusive relationships. It doesn't define our personalities. We don't behave oddly towards friends because someone hurt us in the past.
I'd say he's got some other issues going on.
Is the friendship particularly beneficial?
I'd say park the fact he has experienced abuse. Millions of people have. Sadly.

I understand that experiencing abuse doesn’t necessarily define someone’s personality or behaviour. I’m trying to navigate this situation while considering both his past and the current dynamics of our friendship. I appreciate your input on focusing more on the benefits of the friendship and addressing any other issues that might be at play.

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OrwellianTimes · 08/09/2024 16:13

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 15:32

We’ve been friends for about 1 year. To answer your other questions, our friendship has had its ups and downs and I’m honestly trying to navigate how his behaviour and our communication patterns fit into the overall dynamic of our friendship.

Honestly this just sounds all far too intense and too much work for such a new friendship. I’d cool it right off.

Do not get romantically involved with this man. He’s not in the right place for a healthy relationship and won’t be for some time.

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 16:13

Thunderpants88 · 08/09/2024 15:07

What was this particular disagreement about? The devil is in the detail with posts like this

The situation involved more than just a simple disagreement. It’s about a breakdown in communication and trust, with issues like a lack of clear dialogue, problematic handling of conflict, and significant emotional impact. Both of us have been affected by how the fallout was managed, particularly through avoidance. It’s this pattern of handling our issues that’s causing concern for me regarding the overall dynamic of our friendship. I hope this provides some clarity.

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Leavesandacorns · 08/09/2024 16:09

I don't understand how this is happening often enough to be an issue?

The closest I've come to an argument with a friend as an adult is saying something like 'oh, that was a bit on the nose!' when they've made a rude comment about another friend... if I had a friend who wanted a row about miscommunications or everyday things I'd probably just stop bothering to arrange things.

Fair enough if they've slept with your husband or something, but life is far too short for drama with friends.

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 16:07

Bigcat25 · 08/09/2024 15:05

If he's getting back to you in only a few days or a week I would except that. It's a reasonable amount of time - he's not ghosting you for months at s time. He's explained the affects of his abuse and I think you should except that.

I understand that a few days to a week is a reasonable amount of time, but it has now been two weeks since we last spoke. While I appreciate his explanation about how his past affects his behaviour, I’m also trying to find a balance between being understanding and managing my own needs and feelings.

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StinkyWizzleteets · 08/09/2024 15:56

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 12:46

The fallouts aren’t extremely frequent, but when they do happen, his reaction is quite pronounced and it impacts me significantly.

Poor you OP. Must be awful having to cope with the impact of someone else’s protective measures after an abusive relationship.

… seriously?

if this is just a friend and not some romantic involvement then you sound like a shit friend making it all about you. They’ll be used to that from their abuser tho which is why they retreat. For their physical and emotional safety

if it’s a romantic relationship you’re with the wrong person. They need someone with empathy and understanding not another potential narcissist who wants to be the focus of their attention and pandering post fight.

theyve gone into self protect mode - you either accept that’s how they deal with potentially abusive situations or you let them find a friend who does accept and support them through their trauma response

SomeFinElse · 08/09/2024 15:51

You’ve only been friends with this guy for a year, it’s supposedly platonic but you speak every day and have frequent fall-outs which seem to cause you both distress….

This isn’t a friendship, this is a fraught quasi-relationship.

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 15:41

Whataretalkingabout · 08/09/2024 14:36

It sounds as if your friend is not taking responsibility for his behavior.

If you are tired of this dynamic OP and having to put up with his stonewalling and silent treatment, which are abusive, you can back away from this relationship. You owe it to yourself to be treated with respect also.

Thank you. I’m considering the possibility that his behaviour might not be entirely about his past trauma but could also be about how he handles conflicts. I’m reflecting on whether this dynamic is healthy for both of us and if stepping back might be the best option.

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DeathNote11 · 08/09/2024 15:40

Did you personally witness his abuse (& are certain it wasn't retaliation related) or has his story been verified by multiple independent sources? Please be careful, many abusers DARVO & frame themselves as victims. Creating emotionally charged situations... hooking someone.... then withdrawing is more commonly used as a mechanism of abuse, than seen as a reaction to historic trauma.

He may be genuine, but keep your wits about you. And if it turns romantic immediately Clare's Law him.

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 15:32

sunnygardens · 08/09/2024 14:25

@Psychoticbreak's comment is worth considering. How long have you know this friend OP? Are you sure it's not him stonewalling and trying to control you with the silent treatment?

We’ve been friends for about 1 year. To answer your other questions, our friendship has had its ups and downs and I’m honestly trying to navigate how his behaviour and our communication patterns fit into the overall dynamic of our friendship.

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ReadingWorm · 08/09/2024 15:31

I’d say they are best avoiding you.

OrwellianTimes · 08/09/2024 15:20

Honestly this reads like he is using abusive tactics on you. Stonewalling and silent treatment is not normal behaviour and is not the standard traumatic response. If he was subjected to long term abuse it’s possible he used the same tactics back to try and survive and as such doesn’t really know how to relate to people in the normal way. Cycles of abuse are pretty common - the abused goes on to abuse others.

Honestly with so many fractions I’d question whether it might be wise to take a bit of a step back from this friendship. I’ve never argued or fallen out with any of my long term Friends or more recent friends - but I had one short friendship a few years back that was similar to what you described. The lady had a lot of problems, very vocal about past trauma, and she was constantly creating so much drama within a friendship group. I took a step back for a few weeks and she blocked me on everything - it was very hurtful at the time, never got any explanation, but I can see looking back she was trying to control everyone in the group and lived off creating drama and power struggles. My life is so much simpler and calmer now!

nosyupnorth · 08/09/2024 15:14

I think I know what you mean OP. Some people here are acting like the you are in the wrong for disagreeing with him at all, but it is challenging to maintain a relationship with someone for whom a minor difference of opinion over what to have for lunch or if a movie was good can trigger a trauma response to the percieved conflict and cause them to react in ways that most people would consider disproportionate.
It's good to be sympathetic to his issues, but if your friend is putting you in a position where every time you displease him he will react like you're his abuser, then you aren't at all unreasonable to find that stressful and unsustainable in a friendship and put some distance between you until he has a better handle on his reactions.

RhubarbStrawberry · 08/09/2024 15:08

I don't really fall out with my friends. We just talk things through and let other things go because we are probably all annoying in some way but not worth arguing about.

sonjadog · 08/09/2024 15:08

If you want to continue having a lot of contact with him, make sure you aren't acting as his therapist. A friendship should be based on mutual communication, respect and understanding. It should be fun.

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 15:08

MinorTom · 08/09/2024 14:03

Honestly you are overthinking this. You are not here to solve his past problems, if the friendship isn’t working for you, which obviously you have questions over, then put some distance between you. He is how he is and it doesn’t work for you.

I admit that I can overthink at times, which sometimes complicates things. I guess I’m trying to balance being supportive with addressing how the friendship impacts me. I’ll take your advice into consideration and think about whether stepping back might be the best approach. Thank you.

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BobbyBiscuits · 08/09/2024 15:07

Well, me and plenty of my friends have been in abusive relationships. It doesn't define our personalities. We don't behave oddly towards friends because someone hurt us in the past.
I'd say he's got some other issues going on.
Is the friendship particularly beneficial?
I'd say park the fact he has experienced abuse. Millions of people have. Sadly.

Thunderpants88 · 08/09/2024 15:07

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 14:00

I understand that a few days to a week might not seem like a long time, and I do recognise that everyone needs space. For us it’s strange as we are very close and speak daily. It has now been two weeks at this point.

My concern is more about how this pattern affects the overall dynamic of our friendship.

What was this particular disagreement about? The devil is in the detail with posts like this

Bigcat25 · 08/09/2024 15:05

If he's getting back to you in only a few days or a week I would except that. It's a reasonable amount of time - he's not ghosting you for months at s time. He's explained the affects of his abuse and I think you should except that.

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 15:05

BananaGrapeMelon · 08/09/2024 13:56

I know what you mean OP. Slightly different, but I have a friend who suffers from depression, and because of this she has very strong boundaries around certain things that she feels may impact her mental health. While I understand this, it does affect our friendship which can feel a bit one-sided at times. I think it's understandable if you need to take a step back.

Sounds like you’re going through a similar thing somewhat. It’s helpful to hear how others manage these dynamics, so I appreciate you suggesting a step back might be necessary.

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Laiste · 08/09/2024 15:03

I don't tend to have arguments or fallouts with my mates. To be honest. I haven't since i got out of my teens ....

The one thing i would say is that in my experience friends who have been in a fair amount of talking therapy/counseling tend to .... monologue about themselves and how they're feeling rather a lot. That can be wearing.

I'm sure it's not everybody ect ect, but in my experience this has been so.

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 15:01

SallyWD · 08/09/2024 13:37

I'd try and have a little more empathy, to be honest.

I do want to approach this with empathy and understanding. I have actually.

I’m trying to balance recognising his past experiences with how it affects our friendship.

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