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To find it hard to maintain friendships with people who have had abusive relationships?

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Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 11:40

I have a close friend, a guy, whose previous relationship was quite abusive. We were very close, but I’ve noticed that whenever we have disagreements he tends to retreat and goes silent, actively ignoring me for a few days to a week. He’s explained that his reaction is influenced by the abuse he experienced, as he’s very conflict-avoidant now. He’s always apologetic and explains himself once he comes out of his silence.

I’m struggling with this dynamic and finding it challenging to maintain our friendship, even though I understand where he’s coming from.

AIBU to feel this way, or is it a common issue when dealing with friends who have had similar experiences?

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OrwellianTimes · 08/09/2024 19:40

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 17:26

Not regularly, no. Most of my adult friendships have been relatively stable and conflict-free. This situation feels unique in its intensity and frequency, which is why I’m reevaluating the dynamics. It’s been helpful to get different perspectives on this.

Given that most of your friendships have had healthy dynamics, I’m going to suggest you are not the problem here.

Bigcat25 · 08/09/2024 19:30

Some people in my friend group have arguments or debates. It comes from being very close friends so they can be frank without worrying about losing the friendship. The kind of people who grew up with healthy dinner table debates. I don't think it means they shouldn't be friends.

SuddenlyINeedToGoCauseIHaveAThing · 08/09/2024 19:17

What are you having disagreements about so frequently?

Slightly different, but I have noticed (from a 3rd party perspective) that people with difficult families can have a habit of withdrawing – I think if you’ve experienced people who disrespect boundaries, you might tend to be quite protective of your own or need time to consider how you feel if relationships cross into territory you feel instinctually uncomfortable with. I think it can be a self-protection/-preservation measure.

If you’re finding this difficult perhaps explain that to him. He’s under no obligation to change how he copes with conflict between you, but at least everyone knows where they stand.

Seriously though, I think it’s unusual to be falling out with friends that often.

MeAgainAndAgain · 08/09/2024 19:06

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 15:32

We’ve been friends for about 1 year. To answer your other questions, our friendship has had its ups and downs and I’m honestly trying to navigate how his behaviour and our communication patterns fit into the overall dynamic of our friendship.

Way way too intense. Why so much navel gazing? Are you both locked underground in a vault somewhere?

Just dial the whole thing down. He probably backs away because he doesn’t have room to breathe.

Edited to add - friendships should be natural, they should happen organically. They should add something to the participants lives. Is this? Or not?

SensibleSigma · 08/09/2024 18:46

You are an extremely direct communicator, OP. Thorough and attentive to detail. That can be disconcerting for someone who has a more casual style. I have some relationships where I have to be particularly careful what I say, as they pin down any inconsistency and require a detailed explanation.
My communication style is more relaxed, about underlying messages rather than specific details. Being interrupted to iron out the exact timing of the traffic jam etc makes conversation hard for me.

What have you tried so far to reassure him that you are a safe person to talk to? Have adapted your communication style to avoid direct contradiction, or raised voices for example?

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 18:46

KreedKafer · 08/09/2024 18:41

But just because you often speak daily, why is it a problem if you simply don’t speak daily sometimes? Why would you have that expectation? He’s a friend. He isn’t your partner. You have your own lives.

Maybe speaking daily is actually just too much, and that’s why you apparently fall out with enough frequency that it’s become ‘a pattern’.

It sounds to me that you are quite an intense person and that he needs a bloody break sometimes.

You’ve gone on and on rebutting everything I have said. You just don’t wish to accept my answers, and find it difficult to accept anything I’ve said.

Kindly stop projecting.

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Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 18:45

wrongthinker · 08/09/2024 18:28

OP, are you aware that you sound exactly like an AI?

Maybe that's why you're struggling with your friend. He's human, and you're not?

No, I’m not aware of sounding like an AI and don’t feel this is the case. I’m definitely human and, as mentioned, I’ve had few issues in my other friendships.

I’m sorry if my responses have seemed impersonal. I’m genuinely trying to navigate a challenging situation and have appreciated the feedback. That’s really all it is.

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KreedKafer · 08/09/2024 18:44

SomeFinElse · 08/09/2024 16:24

WTAF? This sounds like you’ve been married 14 years and are going to Relate…. Not a year-long platonic friendship. 🥴

Exactly. I think the OP is very much in denial about what she wants from this ‘friendship’.

KreedKafer · 08/09/2024 18:41

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 14:00

I understand that a few days to a week might not seem like a long time, and I do recognise that everyone needs space. For us it’s strange as we are very close and speak daily. It has now been two weeks at this point.

My concern is more about how this pattern affects the overall dynamic of our friendship.

But just because you often speak daily, why is it a problem if you simply don’t speak daily sometimes? Why would you have that expectation? He’s a friend. He isn’t your partner. You have your own lives.

Maybe speaking daily is actually just too much, and that’s why you apparently fall out with enough frequency that it’s become ‘a pattern’.

It sounds to me that you are quite an intense person and that he needs a bloody break sometimes.

Bellsandthistle · 08/09/2024 18:31

I think it’s interesting how you’ve framed your question- it makes it seem like this isn’t the only time you’ve found it difficult to maintain a friendship with someone who has been in an abusive relationship, rather than a specific issue with this friend. People react to conflict in different ways, try to understand their individual reasons for doing so.

wrongthinker · 08/09/2024 18:28

OP, are you aware that you sound exactly like an AI?

Maybe that's why you're struggling with your friend. He's human, and you're not?

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 18:22

Andoutcomethewolves · 08/09/2024 17:15

I'm finding some of the responses on here really quite frustrating, particularly the PPs who are asserting that because they or people they are close to don't react that way after having experienced abuse the friend must be somehow faking his reactions, or is even the abuser himself. Not all abuse is the same. Not all people react the same way even when they have experienced very similar forms of abuse.

I have diagnosed C-PTSD after a previous 9 year physically and emotionally abusive relationship. When my (not at all abusive!) DH does or says certain things that trigger my C-PTSD I can react badly - sometimes I have a full on panic attack, sometimes I need to get away from the situation for a while and sometimes I even self harm. None of this is done deliberately to 'punish' DH. My control over my reactions is honestly limited - if I could choose to react like a 'normal' person, I obviously would! Luckily my DH does understand although I do recognise it's unfair on him.

I do think though OP that your friend needs to take some responsibility for his reactions even if he can't control them in the moment. I always apologise when I'm calm, we talk it through and always end with a big hug. Obviously it's a different dynamic as this is your friend rather than DP or DH but the principle is the same. I know my emotional reactions can be OTT and am doing some online therapy to try to learn how to deal with them and my past traumanas constructively as possible (also on an NHS waiting list but that takes forever...). Do you think that is something your friend might be open to? I also do kind of feel like this seems like an awful lot of stress (for both of you!) just a year into a friendship... only you can know whether it's worth it!

Thank you for sharing your experience and perspective. I appreciate your insight into how trauma can affect reactions and the importance of managing those reactions in a supportive way. I do agree that it’s important for my friend to take responsibility for his actions and work on constructive ways to handle his responses, even if he’s struggling with past trauma.

He has recently restarted therapy, hopefully that will help him to navigate his reactions and improve how he handled conflict. I’ll think about whether the effort required to continue this friendship (if there even is one at this point), is sustainable and beneficial for both of us. I’m leaning towards not.

Thanks again for your thoughtful response.

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Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 18:18

FrostFlowers2025 · 08/09/2024 17:09

If het can't help it and can't/won't work on his behavior you can only decide if you want to put up with it or not. Only you can decide if this is a friendship dealbreaker or if you can accept it.

I agree. I’m reflecting on whether this pattern is something I can continue to tolerate or if it’s a dealbreaker for me. Your comment, and some others and reinforced the need to evaluate what’s best for my own wellbeing. Thank you.

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Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 18:15

rockstarshoes · 08/09/2024 17:06

Thank goodness! I was starting to think I'd been on Mumsnet too long!

Were you friends with him when he was in this relationship because I too think he actually sounds abusive himself!

The ' miscommunications' resulting in falling out followed by days of stone walling are classic abuse tactics!

The concerns you’ve raised about patterns of behaviour and the potential for abusive tactics are important to consider. I do understand that prolonged stonewalling and avoidance can sometimes be indicative of deeper issues or abusive dynamics.

I wasn’t friends with him during his previous relationship, so I can’t speak to that directly. However, I’m definitely taking a step back.

Your perspective helps me reflect more critically on the situation, and I appreciate your input.

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Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 17:33

Psychoticbreak · 08/09/2024 16:30

OP it is not a friendship, not a platonic one anyway. It could be a non sexual relationship but there is definitely more to it. He could be that way due to his past or he could quite well just be a prick. I put up with this shite because I was in love with my ex but if a friend did it there would be a friendship ending. You do not fall out with friends this often. I think he has you blindsided to be honest. Im sorry but I would be walking very very quickly away from this.

I appreciate your perspective. I’m definitely evaluating the nature of this friendship and how it impacts me. It’s been a challenging experience, and know I’ve got to do what’s best for my own wellbeing. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 17:26

OrwellianTimes · 08/09/2024 16:25

Have you ever regularly fallen out with any other friends in your adult life?

Not regularly, no. Most of my adult friendships have been relatively stable and conflict-free. This situation feels unique in its intensity and frequency, which is why I’m reevaluating the dynamics. It’s been helpful to get different perspectives on this.

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FrostFlowers2025 · 08/09/2024 17:26

@Andoutcomethewolves How long do you panic attacks last? Is it days or week?

Andoutcomethewolves · 08/09/2024 17:15

I'm finding some of the responses on here really quite frustrating, particularly the PPs who are asserting that because they or people they are close to don't react that way after having experienced abuse the friend must be somehow faking his reactions, or is even the abuser himself. Not all abuse is the same. Not all people react the same way even when they have experienced very similar forms of abuse.

I have diagnosed C-PTSD after a previous 9 year physically and emotionally abusive relationship. When my (not at all abusive!) DH does or says certain things that trigger my C-PTSD I can react badly - sometimes I have a full on panic attack, sometimes I need to get away from the situation for a while and sometimes I even self harm. None of this is done deliberately to 'punish' DH. My control over my reactions is honestly limited - if I could choose to react like a 'normal' person, I obviously would! Luckily my DH does understand although I do recognise it's unfair on him.

I do think though OP that your friend needs to take some responsibility for his reactions even if he can't control them in the moment. I always apologise when I'm calm, we talk it through and always end with a big hug. Obviously it's a different dynamic as this is your friend rather than DP or DH but the principle is the same. I know my emotional reactions can be OTT and am doing some online therapy to try to learn how to deal with them and my past traumanas constructively as possible (also on an NHS waiting list but that takes forever...). Do you think that is something your friend might be open to? I also do kind of feel like this seems like an awful lot of stress (for both of you!) just a year into a friendship... only you can know whether it's worth it!

FrostFlowers2025 · 08/09/2024 17:09

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 14:56

I’ve actually told him that it feels like I’m being punished when he repeatedly does this, but he’s said that it’s more to do with him than it is to do with me. Your comment has made me reflect on these dynamics more deeply now

If het can't help it and can't/won't work on his behavior you can only decide if you want to put up with it or not. Only you can decide if this is a friendship dealbreaker or if you can accept it.

rockstarshoes · 08/09/2024 17:06

OrwellianTimes · 08/09/2024 15:20

Honestly this reads like he is using abusive tactics on you. Stonewalling and silent treatment is not normal behaviour and is not the standard traumatic response. If he was subjected to long term abuse it’s possible he used the same tactics back to try and survive and as such doesn’t really know how to relate to people in the normal way. Cycles of abuse are pretty common - the abused goes on to abuse others.

Honestly with so many fractions I’d question whether it might be wise to take a bit of a step back from this friendship. I’ve never argued or fallen out with any of my long term Friends or more recent friends - but I had one short friendship a few years back that was similar to what you described. The lady had a lot of problems, very vocal about past trauma, and she was constantly creating so much drama within a friendship group. I took a step back for a few weeks and she blocked me on everything - it was very hurtful at the time, never got any explanation, but I can see looking back she was trying to control everyone in the group and lived off creating drama and power struggles. My life is so much simpler and calmer now!

Thank goodness! I was starting to think I'd been on Mumsnet too long!

Were you friends with him when he was in this relationship because I too think he actually sounds abusive himself!

The ' miscommunications' resulting in falling out followed by days of stone walling are classic abuse tactics!

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 17:00

StinkyWizzleteets · 08/09/2024 15:56

Poor you OP. Must be awful having to cope with the impact of someone else’s protective measures after an abusive relationship.

… seriously?

if this is just a friend and not some romantic involvement then you sound like a shit friend making it all about you. They’ll be used to that from their abuser tho which is why they retreat. For their physical and emotional safety

if it’s a romantic relationship you’re with the wrong person. They need someone with empathy and understanding not another potential narcissist who wants to be the focus of their attention and pandering post fight.

theyve gone into self protect mode - you either accept that’s how they deal with potentially abusive situations or you let them find a friend who does accept and support them through their trauma response

There’s really no need for your harsh and accusatory tone, which assumes a lot about the situation, or your sarcasm.

I do have empathy for what my friend has been through, and I’ve tried to be understanding of his need to retreat. However, I think it’s also important to acknowledge how these dynamics affect both people in a friendship.

It’s not about demanding attention or prioritising my feelings over his. I want us to both feel supported in the friendship, and sometimes that means discussing how we both respond to conflict. I don’t feel having a convo about these patterns makes me a bad friend, but rather someone who wants the friendship to be healthy for both of us.

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Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 16:55

SomeFinElse · 08/09/2024 15:51

You’ve only been friends with this guy for a year, it’s supposedly platonic but you speak every day and have frequent fall-outs which seem to cause you both distress….

This isn’t a friendship, this is a fraught quasi-relationship.

I understand how it might seem that way, especially given the level of communication and the emotional ups and downs. We’ve been close, and while the friendship is platonic, the intensity of our interactions has made things feel complicated at times. I think it’s a sign that I need to reflect on whether this dynamic is truly healthy for either of us.

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Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 16:45

DeathNote11 · 08/09/2024 15:40

Did you personally witness his abuse (& are certain it wasn't retaliation related) or has his story been verified by multiple independent sources? Please be careful, many abusers DARVO & frame themselves as victims. Creating emotionally charged situations... hooking someone.... then withdrawing is more commonly used as a mechanism of abuse, than seen as a reaction to historic trauma.

He may be genuine, but keep your wits about you. And if it turns romantic immediately Clare's Law him.

I appreciate your concern and understand where you’re coming from. I haven’t personal witnessed his abuse or had independent verification beyond his own account, but I know of his ex’s character. I’ve tried to be empathetic to his situation, but the recurring patterns of withdrawal and silence are impacting our friendship and my own wellbeing. I’m considering taking a step back. I’ll definitely keep your advice in mind and remain vigilant.

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Psychoticbreak · 08/09/2024 16:30

OP it is not a friendship, not a platonic one anyway. It could be a non sexual relationship but there is definitely more to it. He could be that way due to his past or he could quite well just be a prick. I put up with this shite because I was in love with my ex but if a friend did it there would be a friendship ending. You do not fall out with friends this often. I think he has you blindsided to be honest. Im sorry but I would be walking very very quickly away from this.

OrwellianTimes · 08/09/2024 16:25

Newlifeincoming · 08/09/2024 16:23

I’m definitely questioning whether the patterns in this friendship are healthy and sustainable. I understand that trauma can affect behaviour, but it’s also important for me to consider how these dynamics affect my own wellbeing. Taking a step back might be the right approach.

Thank you for sharing your experience, it’s helpful to hear different viewpoints.

Have you ever regularly fallen out with any other friends in your adult life?

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