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To be annoyed someone has lifted some of my work and used it in a presentation without at least asking?

135 replies

Lex345 · 07/09/2024 23:29

Fully prepared to be told I'm a grumpy, joyless shit lol

I have a niche knowledge base that is not common for where I work and I have been working on projects bringing some of my expertise into the field. Part of this was a training suite which has been going on for well over a year.

This week, I was on an unrelated training session and my ACTUAL EXACT work (not changed, exactly the same) was used. I didn't know it had been used in this way and no one has asked. I didn't even know it had been disseminated.

AIBU to be a bit peeved? (I am also a bit flattered, but mainly peeved)?

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Lex345 · 08/09/2024 07:29

I do not know who has lifted it- I know the people who I originally shared it with of course and they are involved in the team that have produced the training it was used in. I think this is probably an honest mistake that went something like-

We are re hashing training of X.

Person who had "my work"(v high up in organisation): oh this could be useful, see if this helps-sends to person organising training
Person receiving the above shares with another colleague or working group and then it is lifted as a direct copy and paste, formatting and all (even though it didn't match the rest of the training deck!)

It is probably more carelessness/lack of awareness than anything else

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allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 07:21

@Lex345 So you know the person who passed off your work as their own? were they giving the talk? can you password lock all your work or something so they no longer have free access to it? I would perhaps send a block email stating that your work was stolen and used without your knowledge! if your boss is not going to say anything then go above to the next boss! that is an awful thing to do!

Thepartnersdesk · 08/09/2024 07:18

Lex345 · 07/09/2024 23:57

No I don't believe so. I think it has been shared more widely by someone and then third or fourth hand has been lifted. Objectively, this has not been done with malice and is not even the strongest part of a much wider body of work. It is more that you can see I am the author and if asked i would have gladly agreed and even helped simplify it so it was even better to use in the context of the other training.

I think you've answered your own question as to how to approach it.

This is good. Make it more about wider context and simplification.

Express concern that it might lose accuracy if added randomly in this way and you'd appreciate the chance to review it.

Lex345 · 08/09/2024 07:18

ratherbesurfing · 08/09/2024 07:10

i think they said only 4 or 5 people have access to that drive but I might be mistaken.

Yes this is correct :)

I feel better for people acknowledging its OK I feel a bit miffed but that really as soon as something falls out of my head onto the company drive, I should just accept that it can and will be used for whatever they want.

It will make me more selective with what I share.

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daisychain01 · 08/09/2024 07:18

ratherbesurfing · 08/09/2024 07:10

i think they said only 4 or 5 people have access to that drive but I might be mistaken.

Once 4 or 5 people have the information, the floodgates are opened and they could each have shared it with multiple other people .... suddenly 4 or 5 becomes 30 or 50 or ....

daisychain01 · 08/09/2024 07:16

Another way of looking at this @Lex345 is "who owns knowledge?"

we all stand on the shoulders of giants. The work we produce won't be 100% ours, we have formed our ideas from the concepts, frameworks and theories of others, in my case from the collaborations I've had within our organisation and from my technical background - I'd never be able to thank or acknowledge all those great minds who have influenced my work, there are too many great minds! We've added value, insights and taken it to a new level, and someone else will do likewise 😊

ratherbesurfing · 08/09/2024 07:10

Positivenancy · 08/09/2024 07:03

The OP said it was on a shared drive…

i think they said only 4 or 5 people have access to that drive but I might be mistaken.

Lex345 · 08/09/2024 07:05

Thank you-I do appreciate the balance of opinions and different perspectives here. I think I will start by first looking at the view history as this will help understand where it has gone and if there is a risk other things could be used similarly-I am actually very proud of anything I produce being used widely-it was I suppose more of an issue about being blindsided and the quality of content.

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ThePrologue · 08/09/2024 07:04

Lex345 · 07/09/2024 23:32

Do you think it is worth doing this? I was a bit shocked at my own work being parroted back to me. It just feels a bit crap to not at least tell me.

This is plagiarism. Call it out. No-one has a right to use your original work without attribution.
Permission would be nice, and the professional thing to do, but failing that, work should be attributed and acknowledged.

daisychain01 · 08/09/2024 07:03

And to add, I say this with experience of working on a project currently, that is specialist and technical, and I've seen materials that I've personally created being circulated far and wide and nobody has credited me directly. I take the view that if people are using the information, that's a professional complement, they wouldn't use it if it lacked voracity and credibility, so I must be doing it right!

Positivenancy · 08/09/2024 07:03

ratherbesurfing · 08/09/2024 06:58

Just email the presenter and explain that you noticed that they have used your work in the presentation and you’re not sure have they came to be in possession of it, but it is part of a larger piece of work and you are concerned that without the context it is not representative of what the work was about.

Also email the people who have legitimate access and explain that you were at a training session where your work work shown as reiterate that it is not for sharing without prior discussion because without context it can be misrepresented

The OP said it was on a shared drive…

daisychain01 · 08/09/2024 06:59

Lex345 · 07/09/2024 23:40

I mentioned it to my manager who found it funny; should I word it something like, "I am really pleased this has been useful, but in future it would be professionally courteous to ask?" I feel like if I say anything people will just think I am being an arse

I would start the conversation directly with the person concerned, behind the scenes and in a non-judgemental, non-accusatory way. Assume positive intent, or at least that the person you think has done you wrong, may not be the right person to aim your frustration at. The last thing you want to do is go all guns ablazing (figuratively speaking) accusing them of stealing your work if it wasn't their intention and / or if they got hold of the information through someone else without knowing it was yours.

ask them where they got the information from, before telling them they're unprofessional. In an academic setting, it is custom and practice to credit all work to the author, but information in organisations flows round a lot more freely and the originator isn't always credited. Not good, but it happens.

ratherbesurfing · 08/09/2024 06:58

Just email the presenter and explain that you noticed that they have used your work in the presentation and you’re not sure have they came to be in possession of it, but it is part of a larger piece of work and you are concerned that without the context it is not representative of what the work was about.

Also email the people who have legitimate access and explain that you were at a training session where your work work shown as reiterate that it is not for sharing without prior discussion because without context it can be misrepresented

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 06:54

I am not sure how to "enforce my ip"

You don't own the IP for anything produced in/for work. Work does.

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 06:51

SugarHorseSpooks · 07/09/2024 23:48

if you wrote it for x company while working for them then technically they own the rights to use it even though you created it

This. Once you prepare something in the workplace, it belongs to the organisation. In my place of work, it would be fair game to use it for the good of the org for whatever purpose and in any future materials. You don't own what you create in work, work does. The best mentality would be "this is being used for the good of the company", and that's the right thing.

LordEmsworth · 08/09/2024 06:44

I'd have said something in the training, "oh actually that's been taken from something I'm working on, there's going to be more training covering that in more detail but in the meantime do you want me to give a bit more context and talk it through?"

But if I produce things at work then I fully expect other people to use it. Clearly they're the ones with egg on their face if they haven't properly understood it. The fact that it's not been trained out properly is the issue, because the person who put it together didn't understand it and the "trainer" wasn't trained.

Lex345 · 08/09/2024 06:34

SugarHorseSpooks · 08/09/2024 00:54

random question do you like mice ? @Lex345

I feel like I don't understand this question 😂

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UncharteredWaters · 08/09/2024 01:04

This happened to me many years ago before we were all so tech savvy.

I went to a course where someone presented my presentation badly and without understanding the content.
at the break I asked them about the origins and they blatantly lied.
so in the afternoon session I starting asking questions about the basis of the work, how they formulated x and y. It was clear to all they hadn’t done it.

I then emailed my boss and theirs explaining where I had delivered this, that their delivery was poor and actually not correct in legislation. That I was happy to provide training to them if they wished to continue to use it. That I expected an email to go out with acknowledgments and a corrected version of information or I could disseminate this information myself?

got a very sheepish manager on the phone with no idea this wasn’t their work!!!

sarahzbaker · 08/09/2024 01:03

Yep hide it

sarahzbaker · 08/09/2024 01:02

Mice-tasty. Or so so my house foxen says

UncharteredWaters · 08/09/2024 01:01

Lex345 · 08/09/2024 00:06

Does make me wonder if I should make the remainder and any subsequent content private and convert to pdf or screenshot only when sharing.

I understand it belongs to the company and again I am fine with this. Its more a professional courtesy issue.

Absolutely make it not shareable at least until you have presented it.

Penguinhippo · 08/09/2024 00:57

I'd take it as a compliment that it's obviously a good piece of work if they chose to use (steal) it! But yes, I would be miffed I wasn't acknowledged.

sarahzbaker · 08/09/2024 00:57

Well this is re enforce your IP
But it does not seem appropriate since the company owns your work
Enforcing Your IP: Tactics for Protecting Your Assets (lawdit.co.uk)
However. If you intend to you the unbowdlerised version of your work, you may say This was used previously in an unauthorised version of my research.
God, I learnt that word unbowdlerised from my dad. Legend

Enforcing Your IP: Tactics for Protecting Your Assets

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https://lawdit.co.uk/readingroom/ip-tactics-for-protecting-your-assets#:~:text=Upon%20discovering%20an%20infringement%2C%20one,stop%20any%20infringing%20activities%20immediately.

SugarHorseSpooks · 08/09/2024 00:54

random question do you like mice ? @Lex345

Stirmish · 08/09/2024 00:49

I wouldn't go to the person who plagiarised it

I'd go their bosses boss