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To be annoyed someone has lifted some of my work and used it in a presentation without at least asking?

135 replies

Lex345 · 07/09/2024 23:29

Fully prepared to be told I'm a grumpy, joyless shit lol

I have a niche knowledge base that is not common for where I work and I have been working on projects bringing some of my expertise into the field. Part of this was a training suite which has been going on for well over a year.

This week, I was on an unrelated training session and my ACTUAL EXACT work (not changed, exactly the same) was used. I didn't know it had been used in this way and no one has asked. I didn't even know it had been disseminated.

AIBU to be a bit peeved? (I am also a bit flattered, but mainly peeved)?

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burnoutbabe · 08/09/2024 09:27

This is more of a professional issue.

You hadn't publicly sent this around for use, it was still "draft" and someone presented it as finished/the company view.

so very unprofessional and i'd lock my documents down until finished /approved from now on. "to prevent misunderstandings"

if bosses want me to assist someone in training then fine -we can collaborate on that.

Lex345 · 08/09/2024 09:24

This really isn't about being credited. See previous post.

I will check the view history to see how it has been disseminated. I can then make a decision as to whether I want to use my expertise in future projects at the risk of content being used in a way I might not be in agreement with. This in no way affects my contractual obligations or my ability to perform the duties I am employed to do, so I can choose whether to share skills and knowledge I gained elsewhere or not.

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substituteconcentration · 08/09/2024 09:24

This happened to me. They took credit for my work to go in their promotion case. And got promoted over me.

mumda · 08/09/2024 09:23

You could tackle it by suggesting you put it back into context and make a mini presentation on this aspect to ensure it's looked at correctly.

RawBloomers · 08/09/2024 09:20

Sharptonguedwoman · 08/09/2024 09:14

Oh, ok but how are people credited then? I her manager isn't bothered, how can she say,' this is my work'? I worked in a different industry so am not sure of the protocols.

As an employee you aren’t normally entitled to demand credit on the work you produce for the company be disseminated with the work. It’s up to the company whether they want to do that. OP can say “this is my work” to her manager, just as most people do with work they complete for an employer.

Sharptonguedwoman · 08/09/2024 09:14

RawBloomers · 08/09/2024 09:09

If she did it as an employee it isn’t her intellectual property. It’s her employers.

Oh, ok but how are people credited then? I her manager isn't bothered, how can she say,' this is my work'? I worked in a different industry so am not sure of the protocols.

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 08/09/2024 09:14

Did the people giving the training session ask for feedback? If so that would be an ideal opportunity to comment both on the lifting of your material and its misleading use.

RawBloomers · 08/09/2024 09:09

Sharptonguedwoman · 08/09/2024 08:56

I realise you did this for work but this is your intellectual property and they should credit you at least. Can you find some way of copyrighting the other work on the server or password protecting it? You've told your boss but it won't hurt him because it's not his work. Honestly I don't know how you watermark electronic files and PP, but I would.

If she did it as an employee it isn’t her intellectual property. It’s her employers.

RawBloomers · 08/09/2024 09:06

Is this work you created as an employee of the company and it is being disseminated by other employees of the company?

I can’t recall seeing the names of authors on in-house power point training materials in the past. And even training materials from external providers are normally credited to the institution that created them, not individual authors. Is it normal in your workplace for these sorts of materials to be credited to individuals?

If you created the work as an employee of the company, it isn’t “your” work, it’s the company’s. In this situation I think you’re over reacting a bit and will look a bit silly demanding to be asked for permission when surely the company would want employees to be able to use their material (which it is, since you created it while employed by them). Though contacting them to point out they are using it incorrectly would be reasonable. And if it is likely to affect your promotion prospects or the like then ensuring the reach of your work is known by the appropriate people is important - but you’ve already told your manager.

If you created it in your own time or as part of a contract with them where you retain copyright, then it’s a very different matter. Contacting the trainer would be totally appropriate. And you should probably have a think about how you protect your IP and ensure you are credited in a way that best reflects on you and might lead to further work/payment. Think about it as a marketing opportunity.

Lex345 · 08/09/2024 08:57

Funnily enough I actually remember a similar scenario (but this one was far worse as the person had built an actual tool using skills far above my skillset!) and went absolutely ballistic very publicly. I have absolutely no intention of doing this. I think I will look at the view history and hopefully this will give more context and then I can decide how best to approach it in terms of making sure the right information is out there

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Sharptonguedwoman · 08/09/2024 08:56

I realise you did this for work but this is your intellectual property and they should credit you at least. Can you find some way of copyrighting the other work on the server or password protecting it? You've told your boss but it won't hurt him because it's not his work. Honestly I don't know how you watermark electronic files and PP, but I would.

IamAutumn · 08/09/2024 08:53

It is important to take a stand on these matters. Firstly for your sake, your research your work needs to be acknowledged, perhaps not rewarded, but recognised.
The Company also need to make it clear that they require ethical standards.
The CF who did this needs pulling up about it.
ps. Think like a man on this one. A bloke would make a real fuss and not be apologetic about mentioning this.

GrouchyKiwi · 08/09/2024 08:52

Surely the bigger issue is that the information being taken out of context is giving a wrong understanding?

I think you should be explaining that to the presenter and whoever wrote it in case they are giving more sessions. That way you're less likely to look petty but you also show that asking permission is important to make sure that things are presented correctly.

OoLaaLaa · 08/09/2024 08:46

Lex345 · 07/09/2024 23:49

Yes, I very much doubt there is malice here-and I am pleased someone has obviously seen it as useful and high enough quality to simply lift-I suppose it was the shock of someone else teaching me what I had written. It was weird!

I would think the same, but I would definitely be finding who wrote up the slides and letting them know. It could be completely genuine. People do take information from other places not even thinking of referencing the source, but you should investigate

daisychain01 · 08/09/2024 08:42

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 08/09/2024 08:09

You need to copyright all your work.

Ownership would need to be lodged at the IP office with proof required of which elements belong specifically to the owner/author and are uniquely theirs. That costs money time and effort to do that and you'd have to question the wisdom of doing that. It's fine if the original materials and ideas are worth protecting with copyright because eg they could make the person a multimillionaire. Whether its worth it in this case is for @Lex345 to decide.

Nowadays there is an alternative view about knowledge, under the Creative Commons movement, that knowledge is there to be shared and not held or protected. The benefit of sharing research freely is that it does create wider posture and the academic authors are creditedso it builds their reputation more widely. Its just a different philosophy to knowledge sharing in the information age.

The person didn't know the source of the information being @Lex345 was in the wrong for not bothering to find out, but the got their fingers burned when the owner was in the audience oooops!

The Pp upthread whose manager refused to share their slides causing the pp to have to do all the work from scratch 😱omg! I'd be silently judging them as petty and pathetic.

GRex · 08/09/2024 08:41

You quite clearly don't understand how copyright works. When you are employed, what you create is owned by the company and not by you. In many companies, information is shared / edited / improved/ reused hundreds of times over, and this is what lets the company get best value from the information it has specifically paid to have created. Reuse is a good thing in the same way as repeatable processes, so much so that implemented methods encouraging reuse count as a positive factor in CMMI assessment. You can and should explain to the trainer if they misunderstood something so that they can improve.

If you escalated to me about this in the style of your posts here, then I would be very concerned about your understanding of how company IP works, particularly given your role. A "trainer" being more concerned with recognition than with the material being used is clearly not looking out for the company's best interests. Depending on your specific contractual terms, you might argue for bare authorship (stating your name as author), but most modern contract terms usually block even this. Best to tread very carefully, get legal advice on your employment contract and really think about what you are asking (and implying by asking) before you raise this again.

LemonadeQueen · 08/09/2024 08:29

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 08:19

@Lex345 can you put your name on as a watermark over every page, which they are unable to remove without a password?? is that even possible????

Watermark! That's word I was thinking of! Lol

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 08:19

@Lex345 can you put your name on as a watermark over every page, which they are unable to remove without a password?? is that even possible????

LemonadeQueen · 08/09/2024 08:16

Hi There was a situation like this on reddit whether true or not the op made a very faint copyright mark on his work after developing it himself when someone stole his work. he had proof going to bosses when the other colleague tried arguing it was their work. He said added comments like I see you found my work useful but I hant quite finished it yet lol

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 08/09/2024 08:09

You need to copyright all your work.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 08/09/2024 08:05

This feels to me to be a good example of why women get paid less than men. Of course you should highlight to their manager that it was done by you and they missed out relevant parts. You did the work, do should be credited for it by the department using it. Not necessarily during the training presentation, just that the person collating it shouldn't be saying it was by them. From now on, make sure that your name is on the title page of any powerpoint documents.

nfkl · 08/09/2024 07:43

Please put some value in yourself, your your knowledge and your work

RoseGoldEagle · 08/09/2024 07:37

Agree with a PP that best response would have been to comment at the time - in a cheerful way- that that particularly slide/slides came from a larger body of work that you’re currently working on, and would the presenter mind if you added a few comments at that point to give some clarity. But I’m picturing a boardroom with 12 people sat round, it would obviously be harder if there were lots of people and the presenter was way up in the front with a mic or something.

Failing that I’d have said something to the presenter after the presentation, just a polite, interested question about whether they know where those slides came from.

I think there’s a difference between someone taking original work and palming it off as their own- as if they were the one to figure something out, vs simply sharing useful information (it would be a pain if everyone had to come up with this alone, so sharing generally is a good idea). My boss never used to let me have his slide decks to present to other groups and it used to drive me mad- I wrote loads of my own stuff, but would sometimes say ‘oh that slide where you have the stats on x,y,z is great- could you send me that to include in one of mine?’ And he always said no! Which meant I had to go back to the original research and pull out the data and create a similar slide, it just took a lot longer!

But I do appreciate the point that it was potentially misrepresented in this case, which is more of an issue.

Shelby2010 · 08/09/2024 07:31

It’s worse that you will be using the same material in future training. I would come at it from this point of view. As it’s duplicating information given and that your presentation will show that the previous presenter didn’t really understand the context which will be embarrassing for them. All of which could have been avoided if they’d come to you beforehand.

Then in your presentation you say ‘This is the work I did on xxx, I know xx touched on this in his/her presentation but if you look at the wider context you can see the impact goes further & is xxxx.