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To be annoyed someone has lifted some of my work and used it in a presentation without at least asking?

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Lex345 · 07/09/2024 23:29

Fully prepared to be told I'm a grumpy, joyless shit lol

I have a niche knowledge base that is not common for where I work and I have been working on projects bringing some of my expertise into the field. Part of this was a training suite which has been going on for well over a year.

This week, I was on an unrelated training session and my ACTUAL EXACT work (not changed, exactly the same) was used. I didn't know it had been used in this way and no one has asked. I didn't even know it had been disseminated.

AIBU to be a bit peeved? (I am also a bit flattered, but mainly peeved)?

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Barneysmomma · 08/09/2024 21:31

This happened to me many years ago. I work in the NHS, also very niche role, only person in the (large) Trust doing this job. Really shocked to see my presentation being presented verbatim by a medical rep as her own work. Turned out a junior colleague from a different profession had sent it to her without my knowledge or permission.

GRex · 08/09/2024 21:24

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 19:35

if everything belongs to the company then how the hell did margaret thatcher write her memoir?? or even, funnily enough, nicola sturgeon, who is in the process of doing the same but when in court, she cannot recall a damn thing????

MPs and more senior political leaders are not employed.
If they actually were employed, they could declare other work and a licence for a specific activity.
I'm not sure where you perceive links with someone who signed a standard contract with IP clauses stating that what they produce belongs to the employer?

SugarHorseSpooks · 08/09/2024 19:55

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 19:35

if everything belongs to the company then how the hell did margaret thatcher write her memoir?? or even, funnily enough, nicola sturgeon, who is in the process of doing the same but when in court, she cannot recall a damn thing????

they are hardly going to admit guilt unless absolute necessary ?

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 19:35

if everything belongs to the company then how the hell did margaret thatcher write her memoir?? or even, funnily enough, nicola sturgeon, who is in the process of doing the same but when in court, she cannot recall a damn thing????

burnoutbabe · 08/09/2024 17:21

surely there is a clear difference between

Making a presentation/doing it at work/sending out the slides afterwards to everyone - someone uses same thing a year later in the organisation - fairly normal, nice if they ask/mention to you its being used/any updates etc?

v

Working on something that is to be presented at some later point (so still draft/work in progress - may have some bits you KNOW are wrong/placeholders) and someone grabbing that off the server to use elsewhere without any checking.

RawBloomers · 08/09/2024 16:40

Sharptonguedwoman · 08/09/2024 16:17

Fair enough. I've never worked in the sort of organisation OP is describing.

The ownership of intellectual property created by an employee isn’t affected by the type of organization they work for.

Sharptonguedwoman · 08/09/2024 16:17

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:12

Incorrect.

Fair enough. I've never worked in the sort of organisation OP is describing.

Lex345 · 08/09/2024 15:38

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:04

It will make me more selective with what I share.

It's really not up to you, and this is a very immature attitude. If you have produced something while on work time, it belongs to work. You don't get to keep hold of it and not share it. Your time is paid for by work, you have produced it for work, and it is a workplace product.

Refusing to share work that you've been paid to create for your workplace would be a disciplinary matter in my organisation.

Anything I have already produced is of course a free for all, but as I have already explained, there is no onus on me to participate in future projects, share the knowledge in my head above and beyond my job description or put in additional hours of work to produce it (as I have done).

Like I have said multiple times now, a very big part of the issue is the way it has been used rather than it being used at all.

I feel quite happy with what I will do going forward but thanks everyone for your input :)

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PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:30

daisychain01 · 08/09/2024 10:48

Quite frankly, there's a load of nonsense being quoted about copyright & IP on this thread
To re-iterate some earlier posters, the work was produced by OP on company time, OP was paid for it by the company to create it & the IP and any copyright is owned by the company.

you/we have no way of knowing how much time spent on the work @Lex345 did, was wholly on company time, or partially - with some of the research effort done by the OP outside the time paid by the company. Their knowledge may come from numerous sources, and synthesised into the work done for the company but not wholly owned by them.

So you can't dismiss as nonsense the reference to IP and copyright, without having all the information - you're basing it on your assumption which may or may not be accurate.

Incorrect. Anything produced while an employee belongs to the company. Of course we use our previous skills and experience to inform what we produce. Good God.

WheresFluffy · 08/09/2024 15:25

Lex345 · 07/09/2024 23:45

I don' lt mind so much about it being used-with permission though-just a courtesy message here and I would have been fine with it and would not require crediting. Now it will look like I have plagiarised them as my training will be delivered later as it is more complex.

I'd deliver the intended training and say something like

"Some of you may recognise the next few slides, if you attended xxx training.
I'm so pleased the subject we are discussing today is being made available across our Organisation. If you have any questions, just let me know"

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:24

TheMauveTiger · 08/09/2024 10:03

THis happened to me in a slightly different context. Someone used my work and presented it as their own for their assessment - at which I was present. As it happened so was the person who assessed me in the past.

There was an uncomfortable silence following the reminder by the assessor, to the audience of other trainees and supervisors, that all work presented should be orginal and not that of others.
And I wasn't flattered. I was furious!

For an assessment, yes, what is presented must be a student's own work. Obviously.

This is very clearly different.

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:20

I use charts from HMRC, quote blogs and articles no point writing your own if someone has already done the work.

Yes, this is correct. You cite where you have taken your source materials from. As in the organisation or paper. You don't cite "Sheila Brady who works at HMRC". Likewise, within an organisation, you don't cite the actual author of the slide 😂 - it's for everyone to use to the advantage of the company!

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:17

Lex345 · 08/09/2024 09:24

This really isn't about being credited. See previous post.

I will check the view history to see how it has been disseminated. I can then make a decision as to whether I want to use my expertise in future projects at the risk of content being used in a way I might not be in agreement with. This in no way affects my contractual obligations or my ability to perform the duties I am employed to do, so I can choose whether to share skills and knowledge I gained elsewhere or not.

This is a very poor attitude, and you would not last in my organisation if you chose to behave like this. I would strongly encourage you to reconsider your approach, it is highly unprofessional.

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:16

Oh, ok but how are people credited then? I her manager isn't bothered, how can she say,' this is my work'?

They're not! I have genuinely never seen an individual credited for work they produce for an organisation. The organisation is credited/named as the source. Usually because many people will have contributed/shared/reused company materials for various purposes, as the OP's colleague has done.

InSpainTheRain · 08/09/2024 15:14

Does the work actually belong to you though? Or did you produce this whilst being paid by the company? If so it is theirs and cam be used by the company for other purposes.

If you found your PhD thesis.being ripped off and used without crediting you it would be one situation, but if you produced this work for the company and they are re-usong it then it's fine

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:12

Sharptonguedwoman · 08/09/2024 08:56

I realise you did this for work but this is your intellectual property and they should credit you at least. Can you find some way of copyrighting the other work on the server or password protecting it? You've told your boss but it won't hurt him because it's not his work. Honestly I don't know how you watermark electronic files and PP, but I would.

Incorrect.

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:12

IamAutumn · 08/09/2024 08:53

It is important to take a stand on these matters. Firstly for your sake, your research your work needs to be acknowledged, perhaps not rewarded, but recognised.
The Company also need to make it clear that they require ethical standards.
The CF who did this needs pulling up about it.
ps. Think like a man on this one. A bloke would make a real fuss and not be apologetic about mentioning this.

Ethical standards in a workplace would be for information to be shared and reused.

It's really embarrassing that a number of posters have said, "think like a man, he'd create a huge fuss over this!" Mortifying and very much not true. It sounds like you have not been in the workforce before, or else worked in very junior roles.

Employees are there to do and get the best for the organisation. Full stop.

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:08

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 08:19

@Lex345 can you put your name on as a watermark over every page, which they are unable to remove without a password?? is that even possible????

Mortifying.

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:08

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 08/09/2024 08:09

You need to copyright all your work.

You've misunderstood. Work produced by an employee at work belongs to the company. The copyright is theirs. OP was paid to produce it for them.

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:07

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 08/09/2024 08:05

This feels to me to be a good example of why women get paid less than men. Of course you should highlight to their manager that it was done by you and they missed out relevant parts. You did the work, do should be credited for it by the department using it. Not necessarily during the training presentation, just that the person collating it shouldn't be saying it was by them. From now on, make sure that your name is on the title page of any powerpoint documents.

This is such a junior attitude, and NOT how senior women and men behave.

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:05

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 07:21

@Lex345 So you know the person who passed off your work as their own? were they giving the talk? can you password lock all your work or something so they no longer have free access to it? I would perhaps send a block email stating that your work was stolen and used without your knowledge! if your boss is not going to say anything then go above to the next boss! that is an awful thing to do!

Oh my good God, do not do this, you loon!

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:04

It will make me more selective with what I share.

It's really not up to you, and this is a very immature attitude. If you have produced something while on work time, it belongs to work. You don't get to keep hold of it and not share it. Your time is paid for by work, you have produced it for work, and it is a workplace product.

Refusing to share work that you've been paid to create for your workplace would be a disciplinary matter in my organisation.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 14:45

@Lex345 ah!! i have just read something about watermarks! easily removed in word but if you save the doc in pdf then they are far more difficult to remove so that would be the best way. just keep the original on your hard drive and share the pdf to the shared drive! I know how hard it is to change anything on pdf because I have tried on many occasions and failed!

SugarHorseSpooks · 08/09/2024 11:41

Lex345 · 08/09/2024 06:34

I feel like I don't understand this question 😂

thats understandable, just a gut feeling so to speak

daisychain01 · 08/09/2024 10:48

Quite frankly, there's a load of nonsense being quoted about copyright & IP on this thread
To re-iterate some earlier posters, the work was produced by OP on company time, OP was paid for it by the company to create it & the IP and any copyright is owned by the company.

you/we have no way of knowing how much time spent on the work @Lex345 did, was wholly on company time, or partially - with some of the research effort done by the OP outside the time paid by the company. Their knowledge may come from numerous sources, and synthesised into the work done for the company but not wholly owned by them.

So you can't dismiss as nonsense the reference to IP and copyright, without having all the information - you're basing it on your assumption which may or may not be accurate.