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To not invite dad’s GF to my wedding?

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CrypticElliptical · 07/09/2024 18:07

My boyfriend proposed last month, and we’re just starting wedding planning for next year. We’ll marry in his native country as it’s cheaper and he has elderly grandparents who won’t travel but who we very much want to be part of our day.

My native country is on the other side of the world. My parents will both be travelling around 30 hours to get there, as will my siblings and much younger grandparents, plus hopefully a few friends from my youth. Here’s the thing: my parents are in the middle of divorcing (after first separating little under a decade ago and then getting back together briefly). Since last year, dad’s had a new girlfriend, who I have not met. When he announced this, my mum spent over a month in tears and still has breakdowns over the idea this woman is stealing her family. (Their split was due to my dad’s infidelity, or rather, that’s the polite version). It’s toxic and I’m sympathetic to my mum but she also can’t see how her behaviour, such as telling my sibling and me all the gory details of why they’re divorcing, makes like traumatic and difficult for everyone else, and she can be volatile.

When I announced I was engaged, dad was delighted for me and said “Gloria” was looking forward to a trip to Europe and to taking him to Spain as an add-on to the holiday. But I’m leaning towards not inviting her because I want an stress-free day and I’ve never met the woman. Do I have to invite her? I get that from my dad’s perspective it’s crap to travel this far without your partner. I’m pleased for him that he’s found someone. I’d even be up for her coming to the country we’re marrying in and having dinner or something separately, I can just see all manner of hell being unleashed by my mum if she comes (plus, I just think my mum would be stressed and as mad as she is, I love her and she’s been badly hurt). Also, they won’t be paying for the wedding; I will. WWYD?

YANBU - don’t invite the GF
YABU - it’s unfair to your dad

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ScribblingPixie · 08/09/2024 18:08

SnozPoz · 08/09/2024 18:02

Did you say your parents have been separated for ten years? Your mum needs counselling. Your dad is also being presumptuous thinking his girlfriend is invited if you've never met her. Tell your mum to sort herself out. Tell your dad your fears. Don't expect the girlfriend to come on holiday and not come to the wedding... that's plain rude.

She said they split up for good in 2022.

lodynet1 · 08/09/2024 18:08

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FluffyBenji23 · 08/09/2024 18:03

I think do whatever YOU want to do. It's your wedding day! If you don't want a stranger there, then don't invite her. Don't let your Dad bamboozle you into inviting her because it's what he wants. Equally if you do want her then your Mum will have to accept it. It is only one day! And - I do know what I'm talking about!

SnozPoz · 08/09/2024 18:02

Did you say your parents have been separated for ten years? Your mum needs counselling. Your dad is also being presumptuous thinking his girlfriend is invited if you've never met her. Tell your mum to sort herself out. Tell your dad your fears. Don't expect the girlfriend to come on holiday and not come to the wedding... that's plain rude.

OrangeTeabags · 08/09/2024 13:55

ChipsCheeseAndGravey · 08/09/2024 12:21

Your mum does need to grow up, but I don’t really think that will happen if it hasn’t already. My dad’s second wife wasn’t invited to my brothers wedding (because she was mean, not because of my mum, my mum didn’t give a fuck and was just excited for a wedding). Initially my dad declined to go, but he came round in the end. My point is that he may well decline to go, it may just be initial and an emotional reaction but it might be final. You know your dad so I’m sure you know what’s likely. I will say, as she’s a girlfriend and not his wife and you haven’t met her, I think you’ve got a strong case based on that alone. I’ve planned a wedding and we had a rule of no plus ones we haven’t met and don’t know, this is much easier when you’re doing a small wedding though.

Can we please stop saying the mum "needs to grow up"!
It's so disrespectful and completely disregards the trauma she has been put through & is still presumably trying to come to terms with.

I would say if anyone needs to "grow up" it's the father for not seeing that wanting to bring a new gf to his daughter's wedding day under these circumstances is unacceptable.
If he could be an emotionally aware adult and say "look, I don't expect you to invite Gloria & that's fine with both of us" all of this drama would be avoided

Mamasperspective · 08/09/2024 12:24

It's YOURS and your future husbands day, not your mums, not your dads and not anyone else's. Tell your dad that, as much as you understand she's his girlfriend, she's a complete stranger to you, you're not in any way close to her and it will only achieve making your mum feeling uncomfortable - consequently she is not invited to the wedding or after party. She may still decide to travel with your dad and plan something for herself on the day and evening of the wedding but she can't expect to be invited when it will cause issues with your actual family and you don't even have a relationship with her.

ChipsCheeseAndGravey · 08/09/2024 12:21

Your mum does need to grow up, but I don’t really think that will happen if it hasn’t already. My dad’s second wife wasn’t invited to my brothers wedding (because she was mean, not because of my mum, my mum didn’t give a fuck and was just excited for a wedding). Initially my dad declined to go, but he came round in the end. My point is that he may well decline to go, it may just be initial and an emotional reaction but it might be final. You know your dad so I’m sure you know what’s likely. I will say, as she’s a girlfriend and not his wife and you haven’t met her, I think you’ve got a strong case based on that alone. I’ve planned a wedding and we had a rule of no plus ones we haven’t met and don’t know, this is much easier when you’re doing a small wedding though.

poetryandwine · 08/09/2024 12:11

OrangeTeabags · 08/09/2024 11:57

Why is it "this"?

If the parents have split amicably and there hadn't been abusive behaviour involved in the marriage then, yes, it would be off to not invite a new partner.

But in these circumstances the dad needs to accept that his appalling behaviour has consequences and this is one of them.
He might not like it but, tough. It will be hard enough for the mum, his ex wife, to spend the day with him as it is.
They both need to compromise to facilitate OP's day. Why should the father have it all his own way?

Chances are the poor OP will go through all this heartache and Gloria will be yesterday's news by the time the wedding rolls round anyway.

If Gloria is gone, that works for the whole family.

OrangeTeabags · 08/09/2024 11:57

poetryandwine · 08/09/2024 11:18

This

Why is it "this"?

If the parents have split amicably and there hadn't been abusive behaviour involved in the marriage then, yes, it would be off to not invite a new partner.

But in these circumstances the dad needs to accept that his appalling behaviour has consequences and this is one of them.
He might not like it but, tough. It will be hard enough for the mum, his ex wife, to spend the day with him as it is.
They both need to compromise to facilitate OP's day. Why should the father have it all his own way?

Chances are the poor OP will go through all this heartache and Gloria will be yesterday's news by the time the wedding rolls round anyway.

poetryandwine · 08/09/2024 11:23

@Livelovebehappy I have never been an OW or involved with someone who was separated but not divorced.

I understand the DM was treated badly and may be traumatised, but it has nothing to do with Gloria. If Gloria gad been the OW I would agree with protecting the DM’s feelings at this stage

SerafinasGoose · 08/09/2024 11:22

SleepGoalsJumped · 08/09/2024 09:06

Yanbu as dad has only been with the gf for a year. If they'd been together for many years and were clearly committed and she'd made an effort to get to know you it would be different, but given the actual situation it's perfectly fine not to invite her.

You need to tell dad - I'm sorry but my wedding day is not at all appropriate for me to meet Gloria for the first timeand it would cause a major upset to mum and spoil the day for everyone if she's there, so that's not happening. However it's great that you're taking the opportunity to have a longer holiday while you are over. Can I suggest that you book Gloria in to a luxury spa for the wedding day so that she can have a wonderful time while you come to the wedding, and then after at the end of your holiday before you go home can we try to be in the same city for a weekend so that we can meet and get to know each other in a less stressful context?

This seems so reasonable that it's hard to imagine how anyone could argue with it.

Familes, eh?

MouseMama · 08/09/2024 11:19

If I were you I wouldn’t invite her but I would talk to your dad properly about it and possibly Gloria too - it isn’t a snub and you are very happy he is settled with Gloria but the wedding day will be family only. If they travel together maybe you can have lunch with them the day before or after or something. I’d explain that I wouldn’t want my mum’s day or her memory of her daughter’s wedding to be tainted and so you are just wanting to be sensitive to her feelings. I know others will say your parents have been separated a long time but clearly your mother is not over it and you seem to sense her feelings here are legitimate given the nature of the marriage.

poetryandwine · 08/09/2024 11:18

Shakirasma · 07/09/2024 18:16

So by the time of the wedding they will have been together long enough to be established as a committed couple, and she had nothing whatsoever to do with your parents splitting up a number of years ago.
I think it would be very sad for your dad if his partner wasnt invited, and it sounds like it's not actually them that are the problem, it's your mum!

This

SerafinasGoose · 08/09/2024 11:15

I don't believe either parent is being reasonable here: your mother in making her past grievances others' problem, or your father with his presumption that you'll invite a woman you've never even met before. You could justifiably say that your wedding is neither the time nor the place to do so.

I would offer to meet Gloria separately for a meal during her visit but not offer her an invitation. If your father isn't prepared to attend on any other terms but his own then that is a decision for him, but I'd be disappointed and not think much of him because of it. Likewise of your mother, if she can't swallow her grievances for one day or causes any unpleasantness or awkwardness at the wedding.

My husband's sister was unable to offer compromises like this and only stated that she expected everyone to behave exactly as she wanted them to because ... 'our day'. It can probably be anticipated how that panned out!

Catsmere · 08/09/2024 11:12

Isthisreasonable · 08/09/2024 08:44

@Catsmere @OrangeTeabags

Not excusing the father's behaviour but from what the OP has said, she doesn't think he will instigate drama. The drama will come from her mother not being able to put her daughter first on her wedding day. Yes he's a scumbag but she has to suck up her feelings for one day to give her daughter her best day. Surely as a loving parent you should do that?

As it appears that the dad had an affair with a close family member, is the mother going to cause trouble if that side of the family are there as well?

You know that if she overshares with her children she will have no issue with telling all her daughter's in-laws everything as well.

In the OP's position I would have the wedding with the fiances family and invite her friends to get a day without drama. I'd have a second wedding celebration with her mother.

Edited

I daresay he will act all innocent, like these men so often do. His presence (and overt or covert gloating) is sufficient drama. I don’t think he should be there.

AgentJohnson · 08/09/2024 10:51

Your focus should be reducing the stress to yourself on the day. Even though I think your mother is being immature and self centred, your father will have to accept that his behaviour over the years has contributed to this mess and his ‘current’ gf won’t be invited because you are prioritising a stress free day. If he dares complain or tries to emotionally blackmail you with not coming, tell him that you will miss him and you hope he will prioritise his daughter.

This isn’t about you favouring one parent over the other, this is about you prioritising your sanity and anybody who can’t support you in that, needs to be elsewhere.

Congratulations.

WitchCerce · 08/09/2024 10:50

I sat next to my exh partner at my sons wedding ( at the church ) , it was a bit awkward as I have no interaction with him or her at all but we all survived .
No hysterics or anything as the day is obviously not about us .
I'd tread carefully about this as he might think no her , no him and not come.
A year away is still awhile off , who knows what will happen , just invite him and his plus one , I'm sure your mum can just grin and bear it .

HomeTheatreSystem · 08/09/2024 10:47

Your dad has been with his gf a matter of months and is unreasonable to expect her to come to your wedding. Your mum needs to get over your dad having other partners given the length of time they've been divorced. Neither are behaving considerately towards you.

OrangeTeabags · 08/09/2024 10:46

Ihadenough22 · 08/09/2024 10:40

In your situation I would tell your Dad that Gloria will not be invited to your wedding as it would upset your mother and you don't want tension at your wedding.
Tell him that he is invited and if he brings Gloria with him on this trip you can meet them both after the wedding for a meal out.

I would tell your mother that Gloria is not invited but you expect her to be civil to your father that day. I would also tell her that she needs to get some counselling to help her deal with their splitting up.

Absolutely.
And, in the longer term, support your mum on her journey in coming to terms with what she has been through.
That doesn't mean be the person who listens to her problems and feelings but encourage her to find the support she needs to find peace.

Ihadenough22 · 08/09/2024 10:40

In your situation I would tell your Dad that Gloria will not be invited to your wedding as it would upset your mother and you don't want tension at your wedding.
Tell him that he is invited and if he brings Gloria with him on this trip you can meet them both after the wedding for a meal out.

I would tell your mother that Gloria is not invited but you expect her to be civil to your father that day. I would also tell her that she needs to get some counselling to help her deal with their splitting up.

Ihadenough22 · 08/09/2024 10:40

In your situation I would tell your Dad that Gloria will not be invited to your wedding as it would upset your mother and you don't want tension at your wedding.
Tell him that he is invited and if he brings Gloria with him on this trip you can meet them both after the wedding for a meal out.

I would tell your mother that Gloria is not invited but you expect her to be civil to your father that day. I would also tell her that she needs to get some counselling to help her deal with their splitting up.

Louise303 · 08/09/2024 10:21

I think I would not invite Gloria if I had never met her and your dad would be very unreasonable if he was unhappy about this. It would be different if you had met her but your wedding day is not the time for a first meeting. You could meet up for a meal after the wedding if she is going to be in the same country. Both your parents have to respect your wishes whatever you decide. It is not Gloria's fault but she should understand your situation and do something else for the day. It is not fair on you to be caught in the middle of both your parents especially not on your wedding day.

OrangeTeabags · 08/09/2024 10:17

spuddy4 · 08/09/2024 09:22

@OrangeTeabags with all due respect I'm not the only person on this thread who's trying to tell the OP what she's got coming if she doesn't stop it now. As sad as it is some people don't move on after a divorce and from what the OP says her mother will be one of those and it's more common than you think. It doesn't matter if it's 2 years or 30 years it's not the parents wedding and they should respect that.

Yes, she might be like that in the futurre but also she might not. It's still early days in terms of the end of the marriage so let's not assume she's going to be a bitter, angry person forever more just because some people are.

At the moment she is still reeling from the hurt and betrayal she has endured until quite recently and the more pressing problem is OP's wedding situation.

DisappearingGirl · 08/09/2024 09:55

My friend had this, except everyone was in the UK. Mum would have been distraught if dad's new (ish) partner was there. So she didn't invite dad's partner. Dad then said he wasn't coming if partner wasn't invited. Luckily dad bucked up his ideas and did come (alone) and did speech etc.

caringcarer · 08/09/2024 09:42

I would talk to your Dad and tell him you are happy to meet his gf and if he wants to bring her to the country of your wedding and you'll meet up with a meal with them both but won't be inviting parents plus ones to the wedding. I'd explain it would cause your Mum distress and you are afraid she may refuse to go. See what your Dad says. I'd not risk my Mum not going or want to put her in a painful situation.