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Did women used to enjoy being catcalled?

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Gofastboatsmojito · 07/09/2024 08:18

Hi,

Filtering a recent discussion with my stepmum I just wanted to survey the 55+ year olds of mumsnet to check whether I'm way off.

She is absolutely insistent that in her youth women (most? all?) enjoyed being whistled or shouted appreciatively at when waking past a building site.

She thinks women's perception of this has changed in the last 20 years. All her friends enjoyed it in the 70s and 80s apparently.

For context she has been the subject of male violence including sexual violence and does not equate the two.

I find it hard to believe everyone enjoyed it and assume that women felt a lot less able to say they didn't like it due to fear of being called frigid, uptight etc.

I'm sure the answer might lie somewhere between the two extremes but just wondering what an AIBU poll might say.

V grateful if women of age 55+ only vote

YABU = in my youth the majority of women I knew considered a wolf whistle as a cheeky but welcome compliment

YANBU = I didn't enjoy this even in the 70s

OP posts:
Jumpingthruhoops · 09/09/2024 19:29

Arraminta · 09/09/2024 16:17

I'm mid 50s and remember being cat called on a regular basis. It didn't register hugely with me and I certainly never felt intimidated or abused, or whatever. I just saw it as much the same as any bloke coming up to me in a bar and asking if he could buy me a drink etc. They were displaying their appreciation, I guess? All vaguely shallow and silly.

It probably helped that my self esteem was always fine and I was never easily cowed. If I liked the look of them I would wolf whistle back, a proper, piercing 2 finger whistle.

This! 👏👏

Jumpingthruhoops · 09/09/2024 19:11

Username056 · 09/09/2024 10:43

I find it odd that some women found it flattering. I don’t mean to put anyone down here, but it didn’t mean you were especially attractive as they did it every woman under the age of about 50 and every young girl.

I never thought “oh yes now pretty I am, I now feel really good about myself” as I walked past. I knew they were doing it to every woman/girl.

EVERY woman and girl that walked past? I think that's highly unlikely.

BeatrizBoniface · 09/09/2024 19:07

Jumpingthruhoops · 09/09/2024 19:03

I'm not remotely 'blaming women'. I'm blaming the people who won't believe genuine claims of sexual assault.

I never said that you blamed women. Perhaps it was my phrasing - I meant to say that women get blamed.
Who doesn't believe genuine claims of sexual assault and why? Some people blame women for this. I do not.
Those on here being critical of sexual harassment are not responsible for police and court system which lets women down continuously on this matter.

Jumpingthruhoops · 09/09/2024 19:03

BeatrizBoniface · 09/09/2024 18:56

I will disagree. Women tend not to be believed when it's their word against a man's.
Again - why blame women?

I'm not remotely 'blaming women'. I'm blaming the people who won't believe genuine claims of sexual assault.

Galadriell · 09/09/2024 19:02

OP: "V grateful if women of age 55+ only vote

People: "I'm only 38 but...."

😂

BeatrizBoniface · 09/09/2024 18:58

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 09/09/2024 18:36

This. ^ I also think any woman who is 'flattered' by some knuckle-dragging oik cat-calling and hitting on her must have very low self esteem, and must be desperate for attention. I find it repugnant and gross, and I don't need any fucking bloke to validate me. I know my worth.

Dear lord - imagine being flattered by some random bloke shouting obscenities at you. It saddens me that some girls and women are, but then we've seen sad stories upthread about abused girls with little validation, so it figures 😞

Jumpingthruhoops · 09/09/2024 18:57

XChrome · 09/09/2024 06:21

Agree. That was a ridiculous post. "Catcalls/romantic advances."😄

Not ridiculous. I wasn't likening them, it was simply an either/or scenario. As in either making a comment or a 'pass' at someone.

Seriously, some people really need to get out more...

BeatrizBoniface · 09/09/2024 18:56

Jumpingthruhoops · 09/09/2024 18:53

That wasn't remotely what I meant.

I simply meant that if complaints are dominated by 'he called me this' or 'he put his hand on my shoulder' then when a man does far, FAR worse to a woman, there's a chance she won't be believed.

You can disagree. That's fine.

I will disagree. Women tend not to be believed when it's their word against a man's.
Again - why blame women?

Jumpingthruhoops · 09/09/2024 18:53

BeatrizBoniface · 09/09/2024 06:05

Oh, and complaining about them in no way, shape or form takes "attention away from genuine victims of sexual violence".
If you object to a complete stranger shouting out sexual remarks and threats, you're not the one responsible for another woman not being heard about sexual assault and rape. Think about it.

That wasn't remotely what I meant.

I simply meant that if complaints are dominated by 'he called me this' or 'he put his hand on my shoulder' then when a man does far, FAR worse to a woman, there's a chance she won't be believed.

You can disagree. That's fine.

Jumpingthruhoops · 09/09/2024 18:49

BeatrizBoniface · 09/09/2024 05:48

Catcalls are not romantic advances.
Shouting out crude and offensive remarks to embarrass, harrass and demean is neither charming nor engaging.
"People are too scared to say ANYTHING?"
Well, it doesn't seem to deter some men.

Like I said, that's your opinion. I disagree.

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 09/09/2024 18:36

Thepeopleversuswork · 09/09/2024 10:15

This. Honestly if people genuinely enjoyed this I suspect they’d have been brought up in a sexist and pretty backward environment.

This. ^ I also think any woman who is 'flattered' by some knuckle-dragging oik cat-calling and hitting on her must have very low self esteem, and must be desperate for attention. I find it repugnant and gross, and I don't need any fucking bloke to validate me. I know my worth.

Disturbia81 · 09/09/2024 17:58

@Comedycook Yep, and I definitely don't look young and wouldn't call myself thin 😂

I wear a lot of makeup and have long hair, have a bit of gothic style so maybe that sets the pervs off
I don't find it flattering at all, I don't need men to comment on me. I feel like prey

BeatrizBoniface · 09/09/2024 17:29

ClarkeFangirl · 09/09/2024 17:24

Younger women have their own hideous things to deal with though: sexting, nude selfies, dick pics, upskirting etc.

What you are highlighting is true - it's not easy for girls and women now, but the question was to older women who were asked if they believed it to be enjoyable, back in the 60s/70s.
That things haven't progressed much is depressing.

Firenzeflower · 09/09/2024 17:28

No it was horrible. I can remember being 14 and having to walk past a building site. I was tall and had quite aarge bust. I used to cross over to the opposite side and try and hide behind the cars. They shouted awful things.

ClarkeFangirl · 09/09/2024 17:24

Username056 · 09/09/2024 11:47

If you are “only” 35 then you have grown up in a totally different era than someone in their late 50’s or over. Main contractors now are part of good contractor schemes etc. I imagine now if workers behaved in the way they did in the 1970’s they would be disciplined and probably sacked. Thank God younger women are not experiencing the whistling/catcalling as generally as women my age did.

Younger women have their own hideous things to deal with though: sexting, nude selfies, dick pics, upskirting etc.

ClarkeFangirl · 09/09/2024 17:20

Clumsy12345 · 09/09/2024 12:30

Again referring to the poster saying under 50. I have experienced catcalling (not building site) but it doesn’t happen now im older and less attractive I’m sure it still happens to younger attractive women

Sorry, added as a reply to your message by mistake.

Arraminta · 09/09/2024 16:17

I'm mid 50s and remember being cat called on a regular basis. It didn't register hugely with me and I certainly never felt intimidated or abused, or whatever. I just saw it as much the same as any bloke coming up to me in a bar and asking if he could buy me a drink etc. They were displaying their appreciation, I guess? All vaguely shallow and silly.

It probably helped that my self esteem was always fine and I was never easily cowed. If I liked the look of them I would wolf whistle back, a proper, piercing 2 finger whistle.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 09/09/2024 16:09

Why? Are you planning to move to facilitate these?

Is it that you don't believe me. Will it soften the blow if I tell you that I also get shouted 'Oi!'?

Spiderwmn · 09/09/2024 16:08

Gawd - where are you that you get catcalled - I’m in south Scotland and haven’t heard this for ever.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 09/09/2024 16:07

This is what the issue is, isn't it? The women who like this dog-whistling from men, who feel flattered by it, are having the scales falling from their eyes in the realisation that this disgusting knuckle-dragging behaviour isn't reserved for the young and pretty. That must be a real sucker punch for those women.

I dress well, generally am quite a cheerful person and I'm mostly along when I'm out walking. I'm not young (I'm 56) and certainly not beautiful - but I'm a woman. That is the only qualification needed. It's about power, not attractiveness. Sorry to say it, think it's because you're young and pretty if you like.

These morons do not whistle at men, they leave men alone. It is women who are the targets, we always have been and always will be.

ClarkeFangirl · 09/09/2024 16:04

56 year old here. No, it was horrible. YA definitely NBA.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 09/09/2024 16:00

Clumsy12345 · 09/09/2024 12:30

Again referring to the poster saying under 50. I have experienced catcalling (not building site) but it doesn’t happen now im older and less attractive I’m sure it still happens to younger attractive women

It still happens to me and I'm 56. It's not down to attractiveness at all it's down to a woman going about her business and not taking notice of men. They feel butthurt about that and it's their tiny-mind mission to remind women that they, the MEN, have every right to insert themselves into a woman's day. Any woman's day.

I'm guessing that because you didn't mind this, you smiled/simpered and so played the game. If you had ignored them or told them to fuck off (which they would have rightly deserved), you would have likely received a volley of abuse for daring not to be flattered.

I won't judge you for enjoying this tripe if you don't judge me or other women who don't like it and please don't denigrate our experiences because they aren't yours.

mathanxiety · 09/09/2024 15:22

I'm almost 60. I hated it. My mum hated it too.

However, she also held women somehow responsible for it.

BucketofTeaMassiveCake · 09/09/2024 14:48

I hated being catcalled then and I wouldn't like it now. However, some women have a different viewpoint. IMHE they are the same women who thought that Page 3 girls were harmless and didn't like to think about it too deeply because the thought of a creepy middle-age bloke lusting over them made hem feel queasy.

Comedycook · 09/09/2024 14:38

Disturbia81 · 09/09/2024 14:19

This is it. It's about being female, not attractive
I get it worse now I'm in my 40s, maybe the confidence of getting older? I get things whispered as I walk past, beeps, shouting out of windows, intense staring. I find it intimidating, I want to be noticed as a person like fellow women notice me, not a piece of meat

Really? I'm 42, not hideous looking and don't experience anything like this. Not saying I don't believe you by the way...it's just not something that I experience. When I was younger and prettier and thinner, cat calling and whistling were much more frequent.

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