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Did women used to enjoy being catcalled?

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Gofastboatsmojito · 07/09/2024 08:18

Hi,

Filtering a recent discussion with my stepmum I just wanted to survey the 55+ year olds of mumsnet to check whether I'm way off.

She is absolutely insistent that in her youth women (most? all?) enjoyed being whistled or shouted appreciatively at when waking past a building site.

She thinks women's perception of this has changed in the last 20 years. All her friends enjoyed it in the 70s and 80s apparently.

For context she has been the subject of male violence including sexual violence and does not equate the two.

I find it hard to believe everyone enjoyed it and assume that women felt a lot less able to say they didn't like it due to fear of being called frigid, uptight etc.

I'm sure the answer might lie somewhere between the two extremes but just wondering what an AIBU poll might say.

V grateful if women of age 55+ only vote

YABU = in my youth the majority of women I knew considered a wolf whistle as a cheeky but welcome compliment

YANBU = I didn't enjoy this even in the 70s

OP posts:
GreenPoppy · 07/09/2024 09:07
  1. I was flattered as a teenager, as had low self-esteem and got no attention from boys I knew.

As a grown woman I loathed it, would take long walks to avoid building sites. Did not miss it at all when it stopped!

Clingfilm · 07/09/2024 09:07

Honestly it was a mixture - the times I knew I looked good it felt nice (like a pp, I wasn't blessed with beauty) but the times men did it just because I was a woman in their vicinity, no.

Edingril · 07/09/2024 09:06

I don't like it or hate it

cocobeaner · 07/09/2024 09:06

theriseandfallofFranklinSaint · 07/09/2024 08:40

I'm in my 40s and never minded it.

I still don't but unfortunately it happens a lot less these days now my youthful looks are on the way out!

But it's not about your looks is it? Not really. It's about men wanting to make women feel uncomfortable.

PermanentTemporary · 07/09/2024 09:05
  1. Hated it. I was and am quite plain and was then quite flat chested with short hair and it really brought home to me that it didn't matter who I was or how I presented, I was a young female and they could and would do what they liked to me. It's such a massive improvement in life that it doesn't happen any more.
Aposterhasnoname · 07/09/2024 09:05

Hated it, ignored where possible. Was worse when they walked past you and thought nothing of grabbing your arse. I had bruises almost constantly from being pinched or grabbed. And if you objected you got abuse and told you should be flattered.

ObelixtheGaul · 07/09/2024 09:05

Wolf whistling I wouldn't have minded. It was the barking like a dog at me, the need for total strangers to pass comment on my (lack of) looks that depressed me.

And that's the problem. I would probably have loved a wolf whistle or catcall, because it would have been better than what I got, from my point of view, but actually looking back on it, all this stems from the basic principle that it was acceptable/appropriate to comment at all.

Our bodies/faces were fair game. If somebody liked it, fair enough, but for those of us who didn't, or who weren't getting the more 'appreciative' version it was just shit we had to deal with.

UprootedSunflower · 07/09/2024 09:04

I remember it as a schoolgirl, from much older men. I found it intimidating. It wasn’t something boys my age did, maybe then I’d have been flattered. When I encountered it was just scary because of the age and power imbalance and the awareness how quickly it could turn to insults for banter. You could be Wolf-whistled then joked about if you smiled like ‘only joking, munter!’. It had an undercurrent often

RufustheFactualReindeer · 07/09/2024 09:04

I am 54

i found it very intimidating at times as a young woman when gangs of men would be staring at you and whistling or yelling, couldn’t walk past a building site and if they were there for weeks i’d have to change my walk past

worse would be beeping their horn and yelling out of the car window

i appreciate that some women like it, but its not like these men would check first

redtrain123 · 07/09/2024 09:03

Never really happened to me (mid fifties) apart from once or twice , and then felt secretly flattered. However, the builders in question did it in a fun, banter-ish way.

However, had the builders done it in a lewd, patronising way, I would have felt different. Mine was harmless fun, rather than sexual innuendo.

RosesAndHellebores · 07/09/2024 09:03

It didn't bother me at the time and I only ever responded with a cheery wave or smile. If it happened now, at 64, it would make my day.

Mummadeze · 07/09/2024 09:02

I absolutely hated it. I think I am neurodiverse (not diagnosed) and I was extremely self conscious anyway. That OTT attention from men when I was a young teen was horrible. My DD is diagnosed autistic and has severe anxiety and it would destroy her honestly if it happened now, so I am so relieved times have changed.

Waitfortheguinness · 07/09/2024 09:01

BeatrizBoniface · 07/09/2024 08:48

"more lean towards shock or demean"?.
@Waitfortheguinness - if you read the thread, that was far more prevalent in the 70s.

I'm in my 60s now, but don’t remember it being that bad……certainly not worse than todays type of harassment.
I think that, as some others have said, there’s a far more sexually aggressive mode going on. But as the reference was to several decades ago our perceptions are different.

anyolddinosaur · 07/09/2024 09:01

Hated it, ignored it and then they would often shout abuse. When I got a bit older if they were a safe distance away they might get a finger if they were abusive. Yes I knew some girls/ women who liked it but a lot didnt.

HelenWheels · 07/09/2024 09:00

no i think it changed, society's attitude changed
feminism came and the rumour was that the wolf whistler would be slapped

cocobeaner · 07/09/2024 09:00

I got wolf whistled at the other day on my way into my office by a bunch of workmen outside. I told my colleagues about it in a kind of "aren't men disgusting? What did they think I was going to do, shag them on the pavement?" type of way.

But my colleague who is the same age as me (mid 40s) said she would be delighted and it would put a skip in her stride for the rest of the day if she got wolf whistled. I was quite surprised to be honest - but I think maybe it's down the the actual person rather than their age?

Izzabellasasperella · 07/09/2024 08:59

Wishihadanalgorithm · 07/09/2024 08:32

I’m 51. It always made me feel uncomfortable. Even today, I hate walking past builders despite the fact no one is ever going to catcall me again. Maybe it’s the (thought/knowledge?) that the men are still eyeing me up and deciding if I’m worthy?

walking past builders made me feel like I was really under the microscope. Hideous.

This

3peassuit · 07/09/2024 08:58

I hated it. I used to go out of my to avoid building sites and anywhere groups of men might congregate. I don’t believe any women found it flattering.

Werweisswohin · 07/09/2024 08:58

I've heard a lot of folk slightly older than me (I'm late 40s) say they enjoyed it, however I've also heard loads say they hated it and how it made them uncomfortable. I've never enjoyed it and had to endure it in the 90s as a student/young woman. Some older folk (often women) have suggested I don't like men doing it because I never got whistled at, which I find quite an odd way for one woman to insult another.

Whydontclothesfitanymore · 07/09/2024 08:58

I never got whistled at and was secretly jealous of those who did. I realise in hindsight I was lucky because it must have been quite intimidating when you're walking on your own.

RollerRunner · 07/09/2024 08:58

I didn't like it but I wasn't outraged by it. Now I am. I'm more aware and I think it's creepy and revolting.
Having men wolf whistle at my daughters when they were teens and it upsetting them really bothered me.

thenightsky · 07/09/2024 08:58

I'm 65 and always, always hated it. I'd walk miles more than I had to just to avoid building sites or pubs with groups of men sat outside etc.

whoscoatsthatjacket2012 · 07/09/2024 08:58
  1. I never minded it. I was very shy so would have probably died but meh I'd hate it now though cos I'd assume they were taking the piss
BlastedPimples · 07/09/2024 08:56

Never been wolf whistled.

But I used to detest when men would say, "Smile it might never happen." What did they know what was going on for me? I did tell a few to get lost.

BeatrizBoniface · 07/09/2024 08:56

I remember during the era of The Yorkshire Ripper what the atmosphere was like. Then women and girls were told not to go out at night.
The Reclaim the Night marches started and I went along. Lots of men came out to shout at us, to frighten us to stay at home. Some shouted offensive sexual remarks and made threats.
However, I remember one group of men just constantly wolf whistling, which I suppose was just meant to demean us in another way.
Bloody hell, it's been a hard fight. And continues.