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To be worried about 3yr olds new dad

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Calmondeck · 07/09/2024 06:35

Im wavering between thinking this is none of my business… but can’t shake deep misgivings about a friend’s relationship. Does this story give you red flags too?

Friend and I had our first children at the same time so our now 3 yr olds are close buddies. She went through rounds of IVF w donor sperm to have her much wanted only child.

When her child was 18 months old she was swept off her feet by a twice divorced man with kids from both marriages. He doesn’t want to be a father again so has little to do with her child. However, he’s very insistent he has ‘adult time’ with my friend, including whisking her away for a 12 night overseas trip, which happened to coincide with the child’s first ever week of pre-school.

The child is currently in the care of a nanny, who is navigating the first weeks of pre-school alone. The nanny is exhausted and told me at the park yesterday that she’s ready to find a new job. Not because she doesn’t like the child, but she’s working 24/7 and has been for the past year.

The child has started asking me for hugs and counting down sleeps until her mum is back. Meanwhile I’m getting holiday pics raving about joys of child free life.

My worry is - the man is moving in after this trip, the nanny is moving out. Would it be friendship ending to voice my misgivings to my friend?

AiBU - solo parents deserve their own space and holidays, the child will be fine, family dynamics change, MYOB?

OP posts:
northernballer · 09/09/2024 17:14

Social Services won't care if the child is with a nanny, the Royal Family parented like that for years.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 09/09/2024 16:56

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 16:47

Thank you for the lecture. Social services have their hands full. The child is cared for and safe. School may well put it on file but the plan fact is that social services won’t act on it until something significant changes.

Again please read what I said- they may not be able to do anything NOW, Im pretty sure I wrote it a few times.. I never said SS will step in- please quote the bit where you thin I said so. But the school need to be aware as it's a case of neglect. Many neglect cases dont mees SS threshold, does not mean neglect is not happening.
Maybe a visual will help, but again educate yourself before you post stuff that is not factual. Pay attention to the bit that says "Emotional unavailanility" and "Inconsistenty of emotional support"- this is why we talk about emotional neglect, not physical.

Emotional needs of the child are clearly not met- I find it very weird you are contesting it unless you are the actual mum of this poor girl, writing from your holiday with your new man.

To be worried about 3yr olds new dad
To be worried about 3yr olds new dad
Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 16:47

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 08/09/2024 19:28

But they are not being met, are they?
I suggest maybe doing a course on child protection, lots of information online that you dont have t opay for, because only financially meeting child's need does not need child's needs are being met and there are different forms of neglect you seem totally unaware of.

SS may not be interested at this point, but school will put this information on file, and they absolutely DO NEED to know even if they can't act on it straight away.

Please do upgrade your knowledge, it's a really interesting topic btw.

Thank you for the lecture. Social services have their hands full. The child is cared for and safe. School may well put it on file but the plan fact is that social services won’t act on it until something significant changes.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 16:44

Dachshundlass89 · 09/09/2024 16:07

Getting a bit sick of all of the replies stating not to blame the bf- don't be so naive: I've seen very loving, caring, perfect single mothers change completely and start neglecting the kids once a new man comes into the picture. He then moves in and everything turns upside down.

It’s still on the mother. She doesn’t have to move him in. She doesn’t have to flit off on holiday and leave her child. She doesn’t have to send OP the most utterly selfish texts describing the joys of being child free. She isn’t. She’s choosing to ignore the fact that she’s a mother and putting herself first. He might well have stated he has no interest in her child but the fact that she fails to see the ramifications of that because it gets in the way of what she wants still isn’t on him. It’s squarely on her. She is the parent.

Floralnomad · 09/09/2024 16:11

Dachshundlass89 · 09/09/2024 16:07

Getting a bit sick of all of the replies stating not to blame the bf- don't be so naive: I've seen very loving, caring, perfect single mothers change completely and start neglecting the kids once a new man comes into the picture. He then moves in and everything turns upside down.

But that is still the mother’s fault . She has taken up with someone who has upfront said that he wants no role in the child’s life , if you are a parent then you throw him back and pick again .

Dachshundlass89 · 09/09/2024 16:07

Getting a bit sick of all of the replies stating not to blame the bf- don't be so naive: I've seen very loving, caring, perfect single mothers change completely and start neglecting the kids once a new man comes into the picture. He then moves in and everything turns upside down.

Hmm1234 · 09/09/2024 09:17

He’s moving in but doesn’t want to play a fatherly role again? That’s not going to work is it

Royaly82 · 09/09/2024 08:06

This has made me feel like crying. Poor little girl 💔
There is no way I couldnt say anything. Be careful with the way you word things though as she may cut you off.

AnnieSnap · 08/09/2024 22:06

@Rockstar1617 the Nanny is leaving because she is knackered and being exploited, not because she doesn’t like the child.

Hiphopboppertybop99 · 08/09/2024 20:53

All I can say is that this thread is so so sad. The poor child. I think I would just see what happens over the next few months and see what you think. Sorry there's no helpful advice OP.

Havinganamechange · 08/09/2024 20:47

It sounds as though your friend had had her head turned and is neglecting her child. I’m sorry but what mum would miss her child’s pre-school first week or any other firsts if they didn’t have to. I think she seriously needs to review her priorities. I knew someone like this once and the other man drove her kids back to their father. Disgusting and have zero respect for her or this mum. I would have to be honest and voice my concerns.

Merryoldgoat · 08/09/2024 20:13

I was reading the other day about something called - affluent neglect.

Yes - there is more focus on this - it was covered in the latest safeguarding update and working in an independent school it’s something we’re particularly told to be aware of. This kind of neglect and physical abuse are what we hear the most disclosures for.

Makingachoice · 08/09/2024 20:02

I was reading the other day about something called - affluent neglect.

When I Googled it - I found realms of information from legal firms, to social services, to schools and councils. So it's a genuinely a thing.

Have a look into it OP. It might help you put into words the feeling you have that something isn't right, and that might help you be able to decide the best approach with your friend.

Gcsunnyside23 · 08/09/2024 19:56

The poor child. I'd start lightly and see how she reacts e.g what changed new partners mind of being involved with her child now he's moving in? Is he going to be a dad role etc? If she's prickly it'll tell you how to proceed. If it doesn't seem like it'll go down well I would it out a month or two and see how things are panning out. But if it looks like the child is being ignored still then id have to point out the obvious neglect to her

PurpleDiva22 · 08/09/2024 19:40

Have to say I'm also confused what a school will do about this? She is being cared for, it's not like she's being left home on her own.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 08/09/2024 19:28

Rosscameasdoody · 08/09/2024 19:16

And I reiterate, if the child's needs are being met, there won’t be anything the school can do. Social Services won’t be interested.

But they are not being met, are they?
I suggest maybe doing a course on child protection, lots of information online that you dont have t opay for, because only financially meeting child's need does not need child's needs are being met and there are different forms of neglect you seem totally unaware of.

SS may not be interested at this point, but school will put this information on file, and they absolutely DO NEED to know even if they can't act on it straight away.

Please do upgrade your knowledge, it's a really interesting topic btw.

Rosscameasdoody · 08/09/2024 19:16

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 08/09/2024 19:15

Report to school, they will know unlike OP and you what to do with this information.
A nanny (who may live at any time and is overworked) does not equal meeting emotional needs. Please read my post carefully again if you need more examples.

And I reiterate, if the child's needs are being met, there won’t be anything the school can do. Social Services won’t be interested.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 08/09/2024 19:15

Rosscameasdoody · 08/09/2024 19:05

Report to who ? Social Services won’t be interested because the mother clearly has enough money to meet the childs’ needs - just not herself.

Report to school, they will know unlike OP and you what to do with this information.
A nanny (who may live at any time and is overworked) does not equal meeting emotional needs. Please read my post carefully again if you need more examples.

Rosscameasdoody · 08/09/2024 19:05

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 07/09/2024 14:13

Op I'm really sorry but you are describing neglect. You can be such abd neglect your child. Emotional neglect is a thing. I used to work in a very affluent area and neglect by wealthy patents was happening. Two of my firmer students are now in prison because of doing drugs, one is a son of a lawyer abd the other if an artist. Won't even count the amount of kids screwed up mentally by absent parents. Neither of those two boys lacked anything materially. A nanny should not be a single parent to a 4yo. Please please please 🙏 report this.

Report to who ? Social Services won’t be interested because the mother clearly has enough money to meet the childs’ needs - just not herself.

Jack80 · 08/09/2024 19:02

I would speak to friend and it she falls out with you it's up to her.

DinosaurMunch · 08/09/2024 18:55

How was friend's own upbringing? Maybe she thinks it's normal

Bigcat25 · 08/09/2024 18:53

The nanny didn't say she doesn't like the child, she is just overworked.

DinosaurMunch · 08/09/2024 18:53

HeddaGarbeld · 07/09/2024 15:43

two particularly good nannies confided in me about problems at home

@Needmoresleep I’d say the fact they confided in you about problems at home suggests those nannies were the opposite of “particularly good” 🤔

Bad form to confide in the parents of their charges friends, totally unprofessional. Nannies should know better. If they were actually concerned about the children instead of not wanting to be in that environment themselves, confiding in nursery or school staff is the professional way to go about it.

School and nursery won't be able to do anything about this though. As long as the child is physically cared for and not abused, that's as good as they could expect if they went into care . Plus it's pretty normal for certain sectors of society to outsource the care of young children to paid staff.

Sennelier1 · 08/09/2024 18:51

So single mum "has" her only child for 3 nights a week and a few hours on sundays. AIBU to wonder why she went through the IVF?

joolsella · 08/09/2024 18:47

Crikey, this is shocking

Leaving a 3 y/o with paid help?

No bloody way