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Mormon wives

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Stepawayfromthefridgenow · 06/09/2024 22:07

Watching this show ‘The secret lives of Mormon wives’ I had no idea their lives were like that or allowed to be.
Anyone Mormon here or know any Mormons?

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HotCrossBunplease · 07/09/2024 14:47

I suspect that @Ofthemall was just making a throwaway joke about her coffee addiction!

0BonneMaman0 · 07/09/2024 13:09

ncforcatquestion · 06/09/2024 23:54

I think it looks like a good life. I would have liked to be able to stay home with lots of kids, cooking, dressmaking and making jam

I mean, you can do that. You don't need to be a Mormon.

0BonneMaman0 · 07/09/2024 13:08

Ofthemall · 06/09/2024 23:25

I’d love to be a mormon (can you just become one or do you have to be born into it / marry into it?!) but I love coffee too much so I don’t think they’d want me 😂

Why would you love to be a Mormon?

Missingpotatocroquettes · 07/09/2024 10:43

godmum56 · 07/09/2024 10:20

I have no opinion about what they choose or not to believe. Just pointing out that, like an other religion, they are not a homogenous mass.

Of course not. That's just not a point I would choose to defend them on.

FlorisApple · 07/09/2024 10:21

The best show about Mormons is Big Love. A drama series, but very well researched and written with depth and sensitivity. The central family is a polygamist one, with the patriarch having been thrown out of the compound he grew up in, and now living in the suburbs of Salt Lake City. It explores the relationship between the official Mormon church and the polygamist offshoots.

godmum56 · 07/09/2024 10:20

Missingpotatocroquettes · 07/09/2024 10:11

They only reject polygamy because they were going to get kicked off their land if they didn't. Very convenient that god changed his mind on that one just in time.

Surely if the god they were getting these messages from was all knowing and omnipotent, he would have gotten the rules right the first time round?

I have no opinion about what they choose or not to believe. Just pointing out that, like an other religion, they are not a homogenous mass.

chocolatemademefat · 07/09/2024 10:15

You should have given us more information - I don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. On the other hand I might go and watch it now!

Missingpotatocroquettes · 07/09/2024 10:11

godmum56 · 07/09/2024 10:01

I know a few mormons as online friends and I don't think you can say "Mormons are like this or like that" anymore than you can say "Roman Catholics are like this or like that" The "official" Church of the Latter Day Saints totally reject polygamy of any kind.

They only reject polygamy because they were going to get kicked off their land if they didn't. Very convenient that god changed his mind on that one just in time.

Surely if the god they were getting these messages from was all knowing and omnipotent, he would have gotten the rules right the first time round?

godmum56 · 07/09/2024 10:01

I know a few mormons as online friends and I don't think you can say "Mormons are like this or like that" anymore than you can say "Roman Catholics are like this or like that" The "official" Church of the Latter Day Saints totally reject polygamy of any kind.

Alondra · 07/09/2024 09:53

We have a couple of great friends that are Mormon. Their faith has never been a problem in our friendship, and we're convinced atheists.

Early on, we agreed that we had different beliefs, and moved on. They are generous, lovely people I love very much.

poppyzbrite4 · 07/09/2024 09:50

ncforcatquestion · 07/09/2024 00:00

But you could argue that we don't really have a choice the other way around. To be a mother means nothing in this society

You can certainly argue anything. In the UK for example, you don't have to have children. You can choose to work, you can take maternity pay to stay at home, if you have a supportive partner, you could be a stay at home mother.

My question is: do these women have a choice? Can they get full time jobs? Put their children in childcare? Can they choose not to have children? Are chores equally split or are they expected to do everything?

Mooneywoo · 07/09/2024 09:44

Misthios · 07/09/2024 09:41

But if you are a LDS member who follows their teachings, pre-marital sex isn't something you'd be interested in doing.

Yeah, that’s how it works.

Just like if you were an LDS member, you couldn’t possibly be gay.

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2024 09:42

I've been tracing my family history and descendants and seeing who my distantly related cousins are.

There's a section of my Dad's family which went over to Utah from Yorkshire in the 1860s. They were initially practicing poligamy. There's an obituary and story of their journey which is fascinating.

I've traced their descendants down. Many of them have obituaries too. And they make for fascinating reading.

I've not come across any since the first wave who were poligamists. They had a LOT of children. Some stayed in Utah and stayed Mormons. Many moved to new areas as Mormons. Many have up Mormonism (but still had obituaries).

There are a LOT of divorces in recent years. Still lots of children but less than there were. And there are many educated women. They tended to marry younger and still do. They have really weird names - many trying to sound slightly french but not french. Lots have had the opportunity to live abroad which a lot of other American cousins who didn't go into Mormonism haven't had (again obituaries are fascinating).

The obituaries of Mormon descendants are often written in a certain style. Even for those who left the faith.

It's given a different angle on my understanding of Mormonism. There are a lot of stereotypes that both the church and people who dislike the church want to put out there - as well as the stereotypes that tabloid TV wants to create to cash in on curiosity about Mormonism.

It's like any other political or religious structure. It's got corruption and abuses of power. Perhaps more than some other ways of life. It's got sexism and homophobia. But again others have it and it's definitely something that changing.

Imagine Dragons are a Mormon band. They have been working to support gay Mormons and non Mormons in Utah and we're part of a big music concert there for this cause. They made a documentary called Believer about it. Which possibly is one of the most reflective media representations of Mormonism currently. This forced the church to put out a statement supporting the effort "to foster a community of inclusion in which no one is mistreated because of who they are or what they believe."

Yes the belief structure and power system is very problematic, but it also has a certain ability to be more pragmatic than other religions too. And because they have so many kids so young, it also means that youth perhaps has a certain amount of influence that isn't necessarily reflected in how we think of Mormonism from the outside too. Purely because of numbers and faster generational turnover.

I think it's worth watching Banner of Heaven too. There is clearly a darker underside. But I don't think that's wildly different to say the Catholic Church either. Mormonism is more vulnerable to cults because of the nature of its beliefs though. I think like all evangelical faiths, it can exploit the vulnerability of people in the way it recruits. But it also clearly gives a massive sense of belonging, structure and community support which a lot of other communities have lost in both the UK and the US and is much needed by many.

I don't think it's inherently bad. I think it's just very very different. That doesn't mean I think it's without problems either.

Misthios · 07/09/2024 09:41

But if you are a LDS member who follows their teachings, pre-marital sex isn't something you'd be interested in doing.

3WildOnes · 07/09/2024 09:38

Misthios · 07/09/2024 09:26

Also agree that education is seen as super important for girls and women, it's not like other cultures where education is seen as pointless for women past a certain age. There is a "Mormon" university called BYU in Utah which has a very good educational reputation, if you are a member of the LDS church you pay 50% of the tuition fees compared with non-LDS members. So most of the students are Mormon and this is where a lot of young people meet their husbands/wives.

You can get expelled from BYU if they discover you have had pre martial sex. Less likely if you are male, pretty certain if you are female.

KimberleyClark · 07/09/2024 09:29

Out of interest are Mormons creationists?

Misthios · 07/09/2024 09:26

Also agree that education is seen as super important for girls and women, it's not like other cultures where education is seen as pointless for women past a certain age. There is a "Mormon" university called BYU in Utah which has a very good educational reputation, if you are a member of the LDS church you pay 50% of the tuition fees compared with non-LDS members. So most of the students are Mormon and this is where a lot of young people meet their husbands/wives.

Superworm24 · 07/09/2024 09:25

I'm going off on a tangent here but has anyone else seen "under the banner of heaven". I loved it and would completely recommend. Seeing Andrew Garfields' character going through some revelations about the religion was really interesting.

I used to work with a lady who was Mormon. The whole family were lovely and her husband treated her better than most I have met. I think like most religions there will always be extremists and those would use it as an excuse to treat family/spouses badly and control them.

Mooneywoo · 07/09/2024 09:19

ncforcatquestion · 07/09/2024 09:15

No, I suppose not. To be more exact, I would like to have found a man with traditional family values, which seems rare to find in our culture

And yet a huge proportion of mothers in the uk still stay home with their children.

RampantIvy · 07/09/2024 09:16

apparently the caffeine is OK because it's not hot?

Oh, that's interesting. My mormon cousin drinks diet coke/pepsi

Mooneywoo · 07/09/2024 09:16

eggplant16 · 07/09/2024 09:09

There seem to be parallels with other religions run by old men.
Lack of freedom, thought control, emphasis on breeding.

Hideous.

Where do they make their money?

The followers or the church?
The followers work in the normal world, it’s not like the Amish who cut themselves off.
Members of the Mormon church must give tithe to the church, 10% of all their earnings.

ncforcatquestion · 07/09/2024 09:15

Mooneywoo · 07/09/2024 09:04

You realise nothing is stopping you from doing that without being a Mormon?

No, I suppose not. To be more exact, I would like to have found a man with traditional family values, which seems rare to find in our culture

Misthios · 07/09/2024 09:13

To add - my friend with the 7 kids has one older son who is no longer part of the church and she still has a strong relationship with him, definitely no shunning going on.

She doesn't drink hot coffee or alcohol but does drink decaff coffee, tea, and Coke/Pepsi - apparently the caffeine is OK because it's not hot?

One of the main differences is the way they manage celebrations and events - with 7 kids and multiple grandchildren Christmas is a major event as is Thanksgiving, so there's none of the crazy amounts of presents, santa trains, huge parties for weddings/engagements/birthdays. My friend's DD got married recently and the two sets of parents hosted the wedding celebrations at home with barbecue and ice cream trucks rather than hiring a hotel and shelling out ££££ per person.

Waltermittyslilsis · 07/09/2024 09:12

Ofthemall · 06/09/2024 23:25

I’d love to be a mormon (can you just become one or do you have to be born into it / marry into it?!) but I love coffee too much so I don’t think they’d want me 😂

You would? You’re aware the religion is pretty racist right? Joseph smith visited by one of the ‘ good white native Americans’, there’s also the girls guilted into child marriage

KateMiskin · 07/09/2024 09:10

All mainstream religions are mostly run by old men.