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To not want my baby to stay with his dad overnight

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Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:08

My baby is a year old and has never met his dad as he left me when I was pregnant for someone else and moved to the US afterwards. We've been in touch but it's not been very consistent especially on his side. He says he loves his son but he's only done a handfull of video calls with him and not provided anything financially. I often question why either of us bother and I've kept it to only responding when he reaches out.

Now I'm going to the US for work next month and I mentioned this to him and he suggested I brought my son and let him look after him while I'm working. However he lives in New York and the event is in Florida. I was tentative but I'm still breastfeeding and co-sleeping so I thought well this way if he takes him in the daytime I can carry on breastfeeding and co-sleeping at night.

However when I said this to my ex, he was annoyed and he said Florida is too far and he expected me to drop our son off in New York and leave him there for 4 or 5 days and then pick him up on the way back. He said he wants quality time with him including overnight and that I'm being unreasonable to deny him this as his parent. That I need to stop breastfeeding and it's not hard.

I'm assuming I'm not unreasonable, but just want to sanity check. Although he's his dad, he chose to leave and my son doesn't know him. I think my son would be distraught if I just left him with essentially a stranger even if he is his dad. I thought it was a big deal to leave him with him in the daytime as it was. I don't want to be accused of being the sort of mum who keeps my child from his father, but I thought offering him to either meet us in Florida or to stop in New York on the way there (so they could meet with my supervision) is very reasonable, especially given his lack of effort thusfar. I'm not saying never but now I think my son is too young and his father a stranger to him.

My ex is not a US citizen and can't travel out of the US currently to do with visas. He claims he has parental rights but he's not on the birth certificate and my son has my name. Presumably he can't exert rights over my son there as a non-US citizen. His partner has always seemed extremely hostile and has openly said negative things about the existance of our son throughout my pregnancy and thereafter which have gotten back to me.

I know people leave young babies with ex's and their partners all the time and I'd love to facilitate a relationship with his dad but AIBU to think his expectations are unreasonable?

OP posts:
RobinHood19 · 06/09/2024 20:57

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:54

He can't come to the UK.

You still haven’t explained why.

Flossyts · 06/09/2024 20:57

I’d be worried about kidnap if I’m honest. There would be no unsupervised time whatsoever.

Singleandproud · 06/09/2024 20:55

You don't need to stop breastfeeding or even sleep training, he will behave differently for his grandparents without you there. Your milk will be fine if it's established just expect a long feed when you get back. It's no different if you were ill/injured and needed a hospital stay, they would all manage.

Go on your work trip, enjoy the child free time, leave DC safe with his grandparents in his familiar surroundings.

TheCultureHusks · 06/09/2024 20:54

He has no parental rights.

He’s a total stranger to your baby.

Those comments would wave huge red flags and I’d absolutely phase out communication. As for the trip, tell him it got cancelled and don’t communicate with him again.

His only ‘emotion’ seems to be the desire for control and to establish his ‘rights’. But not so bothered about getting to know his child, or caring about how a baby might feel or what his son might need. The demand to stop feeding is all you need to hear. Stop communicating, leave longer pauses, hope he loses interest. And when your son asks, you can tell him how he wouldn’t even consider coming to meet you in Florida to see him, but demanded you stop breastfeeding and leave your baby with a stranger for a week.

Kitkat1523 · 06/09/2024 20:54

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:51

We currently live with my parents and he's been left with them during the day before and has been perfectly happy, but me going away would mean sleep training him and stopping breastfeeding which I'd rather not although I could. Maybe that's better than dragging him halfway around the world and having his dad look after him in the day 🙃. My mum reluctantly suggested coming with me but she'd rather not.

I only entertained his dad looking after him as it'd allow me to continue breastfeeding and I was worried about my baby missing me at night. My idea was to arrive a day or 2 early and supervise contact so he'd get used to him but I wanted him back with me in the evening.

This guy has extensive experience looking after children and is good with them but I still think he's prioritising his wants over my son.

Edited

🙄 I’m bowing out…..speechless that OP has gone to great lengths to actually think this through as a plan …..it will all end in tears OP….yours and your kids

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:54

Guavafish1 · 06/09/2024 20:53

I wound not trust this man

if he wants to see his son he should come to you

He can't come to the UK.

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DownWhichOfLate · 06/09/2024 20:54

Do you really need to go? None of your solutions sound ideal with a 1 year old.

ColdCottage · 06/09/2024 20:53

No way would I do this. If he wants to come to Florida and visit with you there and get to know his child then I'd be open to that but no way would l leave the child with him.

Guavafish1 · 06/09/2024 20:53

I wound not trust this man

if he wants to see his son he should come to you

Guavafish1 · 06/09/2024 20:51

No

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:51

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 06/09/2024 20:43

Yes but if you're travelling for work, what is your childcare plan?

Presumably you either have to bring your baby to the US and have your ex look after him all day every day (which will also be traumatic even if it's not overnight), or you have to leave your baby behind in the UK with someone else like your mum. You can hardly have him with you while you're working, can you?

It seems quite all or nothing.

We currently live with my parents and he's been left with them during the day before and has been perfectly happy, but me going away would mean sleep training him and stopping breastfeeding which I'd rather not although I could. Maybe that's better than dragging him halfway around the world and having his dad look after him in the day 🙃. My mum reluctantly suggested coming with me but she'd rather not.

I only entertained his dad looking after him as it'd allow me to continue breastfeeding and I was worried about my baby missing me at night. My idea was to arrive a day or 2 early and supervise contact so he'd get used to him but I wanted him back with me in the evening.

This guy has extensive experience looking after children and is good with them but I still think he's prioritising his wants over my son.

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Allthegoodnamesaretaken92 · 06/09/2024 20:49

Itsmahoneybaloney · 06/09/2024 20:19

Tell him when he starts paying child maintenance you can have a conversation about access. What a dick.

Children aren’t pay per view. If it’s in the child’s best interest to have a relationship with its parent, it should be facilitated.

cms is a separate issue and should be pursued whether or not the child sees its parent.

o/p it sounds like you are doing your best to at least try to ensure your son knows his dad. However he is asking way too much- if he were prepared to fly down and meet you that would be a different issue.

FerreroFan · 06/09/2024 20:48

No, don't leave your child with a virtual stranger - to the baby anyway . You have no idea whether he can even safely lookafter the baby who will need nappy changing, feeding etc. Has your ex partner done these things before? And of course you don't have to stop breastfeeding because he said so. Your baby's needs come first.

Zanatdy · 06/09/2024 20:47

Big no from me when he’s never had him before and your son doesn’t know him. It’s a good few hours flight and I wouldn’t be comfortable leaving my child there

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 06/09/2024 20:46

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:15

Yeh I know. I keep trying to phase out communication but then he pops up again and I don't want to be accused later down the line of being the parent that prevented contact. I've given him every opportunity to say he either doesn't want to be involved or be more involved but he just walks middle of the line for some unknown reason.

He does just enough. He isnt arsed. Speak to a solicitor

BlastedPimples · 06/09/2024 20:45

No. No and no again.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 06/09/2024 20:43

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:41

Just to reassure everyone I'm in no way considering leaving my baby overnight I just want reassuring that I'm not being unreasonable. I know it would traumatised him. I'm reconsidering even leaving him in the day given my ex's response. Actually I've spoken to his mum now and his mum agrees with me and is going to speak to him.

Yes but if you're travelling for work, what is your childcare plan?

Presumably you either have to bring your baby to the US and have your ex look after him all day every day (which will also be traumatic even if it's not overnight), or you have to leave your baby behind in the UK with someone else like your mum. You can hardly have him with you while you're working, can you?

It seems quite all or nothing.

OhWell45 · 06/09/2024 20:43

Absolutely not. It's not in the child's best interests. If he wants to see his child he needs to return to the UK and have short regular contact. He needs to start with 2 hour a few times a week supervised for a month. Then 2 hours a week unsupervised. Then 4 hours and so on. He is a stranger to your child. Tell him NO. I would be very clear that he has absolutely no parental rights at all. He's a stranger who has never met the child through his own choice. Don't take your child to the USA to meet him. If he cares about his kid he would have chosen to stay and meet.

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 06/09/2024 20:43

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:41

Just to reassure everyone I'm in no way considering leaving my baby overnight I just want reassuring that I'm not being unreasonable. I know it would traumatised him. I'm reconsidering even leaving him in the day given my ex's response. Actually I've spoken to his mum now and his mum agrees with me and is going to speak to him.

Absolutely dont leave him in the day either. Are you nuts? He doesnt know your child. He doesnt care about him. He doesnt care if he eats or has shelter.

pinkfleece · 06/09/2024 20:43

Why on earth did you tell him you were going?

just say the trip has been cancelled.

RobinHood19 · 06/09/2024 20:42

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:34

I think that's a very unlikely scenario as he's got to have a clean record to stay in the US which is his and his partners main aim at the moment. She has kids too so they can't exactly go on the run with my baby.

So are they there legally? You haven’t replied to this yet. What type of visa are they on, and why can’t he travel out of the country?

I don’t think this man cares about having a clean record at all. I think he senses an opportunity to hurt you through your son, and you should stop contact and ignore his requests.

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 06/09/2024 20:41

Imbusytodaysorry · 06/09/2024 20:36

I feel the same .

OP where is your head at ?

stop contact altogether this is madness

I agree. Stop the video calls. You baby doesnt benefit from them.

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:41

Just to reassure everyone I'm in no way considering leaving my baby overnight I just want reassuring that I'm not being unreasonable. I know it would traumatised him. I'm reconsidering even leaving him in the day given my ex's response. Actually I've spoken to his mum now and his mum agrees with me and is going to speak to him.

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HomeTruth · 06/09/2024 20:41

HamSad · 06/09/2024 20:09

Just say no. It's totally unsuitable.

This.

The fact he’s saying things like ‘Just stop breastfeeding it’s that simple’ shows he knows nothing about children.

He hasn’t bothered to come and see his child, don’t give into his ridiculous demands. Your child will be frightened and confused.

Littlebean13 · 06/09/2024 20:40

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:34

I think that's a very unlikely scenario as he's got to have a clean record to stay in the US which is his and his partners main aim at the moment. She has kids too so they can't exactly go on the run with my baby.

Why are you defending this man? In fact why are you even considering this as a possibility, it’s absolutely insane!
Imagine how confused and scared your child would be being left with a complete stranger for days on end.
You’ve also openly said his partner is hostile towards you. Who’s to say she would in any way be kind towards your child? You don’t know anything about her, why consider leaving your child in her care?!
Tell him the work trip is cancelled & start to faze out all communication with this man who doesn’t give two shits about his child

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