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To not want my baby to stay with his dad overnight

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Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:08

My baby is a year old and has never met his dad as he left me when I was pregnant for someone else and moved to the US afterwards. We've been in touch but it's not been very consistent especially on his side. He says he loves his son but he's only done a handfull of video calls with him and not provided anything financially. I often question why either of us bother and I've kept it to only responding when he reaches out.

Now I'm going to the US for work next month and I mentioned this to him and he suggested I brought my son and let him look after him while I'm working. However he lives in New York and the event is in Florida. I was tentative but I'm still breastfeeding and co-sleeping so I thought well this way if he takes him in the daytime I can carry on breastfeeding and co-sleeping at night.

However when I said this to my ex, he was annoyed and he said Florida is too far and he expected me to drop our son off in New York and leave him there for 4 or 5 days and then pick him up on the way back. He said he wants quality time with him including overnight and that I'm being unreasonable to deny him this as his parent. That I need to stop breastfeeding and it's not hard.

I'm assuming I'm not unreasonable, but just want to sanity check. Although he's his dad, he chose to leave and my son doesn't know him. I think my son would be distraught if I just left him with essentially a stranger even if he is his dad. I thought it was a big deal to leave him with him in the daytime as it was. I don't want to be accused of being the sort of mum who keeps my child from his father, but I thought offering him to either meet us in Florida or to stop in New York on the way there (so they could meet with my supervision) is very reasonable, especially given his lack of effort thusfar. I'm not saying never but now I think my son is too young and his father a stranger to him.

My ex is not a US citizen and can't travel out of the US currently to do with visas. He claims he has parental rights but he's not on the birth certificate and my son has my name. Presumably he can't exert rights over my son there as a non-US citizen. His partner has always seemed extremely hostile and has openly said negative things about the existance of our son throughout my pregnancy and thereafter which have gotten back to me.

I know people leave young babies with ex's and their partners all the time and I'd love to facilitate a relationship with his dad but AIBU to think his expectations are unreasonable?

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Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 21:25

Haffiana · 06/09/2024 21:13

Do you have Social Services involvement at all, OP?

No, why would I?

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Ceejadess · 06/09/2024 21:24

Him suggesting you stop breastfeeding for his own selfish needs proves he does not have your childs best interest at heart.

soupfiend · 06/09/2024 21:23

BloodyAdultDC · 06/09/2024 21:21

Isn't there some rule that he could (potentially) refuse permission for DC to leave America if op takes them there? I know that's the case in Auz/NZ.

He would absolutely be given parental rights if he persued it - he is the father, op agrees he is the father. Wouldn't be too big a stretch for him to refuse to hand over dc leaving op stuck in the states (without a visa) or returning without the dc.

Apply for maintenance op - might cost a bit but there are ways to get it from America - and they take that sort of thing really seriously.

In the meantime, don't even contemplate this ridiculous plan. I wouldn't drop my teens in NY and then hop on to Florida, nevermind a one-year-old bf baby who's never met their dad. Insane.

Yes thats the risk, he may be able to refuse for the child to go home, that was what I meant in my first post but I see no one else has mentioned it.

OP still hasnt said why he cant leave the US or come to the UK, but in any case hopefully she will leave baby at home

Winter2020 · 06/09/2024 21:22

I wouldn’t meet him at all. I agree that you should tell him that your trip is cancelled. Personally I would block his number then.

You say you don’t want to deny your child contact but his dad moved to the US to be with someone else when you were pregnant. That is the reason there will be no contact - as baby’s dad is in the US and can’t/won’t leave. It is too dangerous for you to meet in the US. If baby’s dad refused to return him to you it could be very difficult to get him back as he would be with his dad. He could also disappear with him - then even the law being on your side won’t help you.

BloodyAdultDC · 06/09/2024 21:21

Isn't there some rule that he could (potentially) refuse permission for DC to leave America if op takes them there? I know that's the case in Auz/NZ.

He would absolutely be given parental rights if he persued it - he is the father, op agrees he is the father. Wouldn't be too big a stretch for him to refuse to hand over dc leaving op stuck in the states (without a visa) or returning without the dc.

Apply for maintenance op - might cost a bit but there are ways to get it from America - and they take that sort of thing really seriously.

In the meantime, don't even contemplate this ridiculous plan. I wouldn't drop my teens in NY and then hop on to Florida, nevermind a one-year-old bf baby who's never met their dad. Insane.

Lemonadeand · 06/09/2024 21:19

He can travel down to Florida if he wants to see his son.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 06/09/2024 21:18

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:51

We currently live with my parents and he's been left with them during the day before and has been perfectly happy, but me going away would mean sleep training him and stopping breastfeeding which I'd rather not although I could. Maybe that's better than dragging him halfway around the world and having his dad look after him in the day 🙃. My mum reluctantly suggested coming with me but she'd rather not.

I only entertained his dad looking after him as it'd allow me to continue breastfeeding and I was worried about my baby missing me at night. My idea was to arrive a day or 2 early and supervise contact so he'd get used to him but I wanted him back with me in the evening.

This guy has extensive experience looking after children and is good with them but I still think he's prioritising his wants over my son.

Edited

I have been on three similar length work trips away whilst breastfeeding my children. I took a pump with me to maintain my supply and carried on breastfeeding when I got home.

I think leaving him with your parents would be the better option, if you really have to go on the trip.

HoppityBun · 06/09/2024 21:17

soupfiend · 06/09/2024 21:11

I wish people wouldnt keep using the incorrect term and concept of parental rights.

OP doesnt have parental rights either as they dont exist. Its parental responsibility.

OP is right to try to facilitate and set up a relationship between her son and his father, it will reap rewards as the child grows up. However it obviously needs to be child centred and direct contact only happening when the child is old enough and understands who dad is by way of slow build up. This random idea of dad caring for him out of the blue is no good

Child maintanence is neither here nor there, as someone else said, children are not pay per view.

In my view baby needs to stay at home for the work trip and continue with video calls as the child grows/changing contact as appropriate in line with the child's understanding.

No need for all the pretence of saying the trip is cancelled or blocking him, what is the need of that?

Partly right. Parental responsibility includes rights. It “all the rights, duties, powers, responsibilities and authority which by law a parent of a child has in relation to the child and his property.”

MissUltraViolet · 06/09/2024 21:14

How was this ever going to work between NY and Florida anyway? Why did you even tell him you would be going?

This was such a silly idea to begin with, even just having him watch the baby during the day, he is a complete stranger.

Take your mum or leave baby home with her.

Haffiana · 06/09/2024 21:13

Do you have Social Services involvement at all, OP?

andthat · 06/09/2024 21:12

Kitkat1523 · 06/09/2024 20:12

I can’t believe you’ve even posted this….he is a stranger…you don’t leave your son with a stranger…..absolutely ridiculous

This.

@Bunny44 why you even contemplating this? Do you struggle to assert good boundaries? Please find a way to work on this, your son needs you to be able to advocate for him and put his best interests ar heart.

Pandasnacks · 06/09/2024 21:12

You say you are trying to phase out contact but you also told him you were going to the US with the plan of going early to supervise contact and then leave your child alone with him during the day while you work. You are not trying hard enough to 'phase out' contact, you are doing it all wrong.

soupfiend · 06/09/2024 21:11

I wish people wouldnt keep using the incorrect term and concept of parental rights.

OP doesnt have parental rights either as they dont exist. Its parental responsibility.

OP is right to try to facilitate and set up a relationship between her son and his father, it will reap rewards as the child grows up. However it obviously needs to be child centred and direct contact only happening when the child is old enough and understands who dad is by way of slow build up. This random idea of dad caring for him out of the blue is no good

Child maintanence is neither here nor there, as someone else said, children are not pay per view.

In my view baby needs to stay at home for the work trip and continue with video calls as the child grows/changing contact as appropriate in line with the child's understanding.

No need for all the pretence of saying the trip is cancelled or blocking him, what is the need of that?

Yousay55 · 06/09/2024 21:11

No. Absolutely no.

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 21:08

DownWhichOfLate · 06/09/2024 21:02

You know it isn’t like the movies and he won’t meet his son and beg you to be with him and you all live happily ever after… Your son will be massively unsettled from the flight etc, and will need you (or your mum). He will probably want to breastfeed even more than usual to deal with all the change.

I'm honestly at the point where I wouldn't take him back if he were the last man alive 🤦🏻‍♀️.

Yes also agree RE being unsettled.

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cannynotsay · 06/09/2024 21:07

Why are you even entertaining this. He isn't even on the birth certificate

HoppityBun · 06/09/2024 21:03

What makes you so sure he’d give your son back?

Singleandproud · 06/09/2024 21:02

He feeds to sleep on you, for a grandparent he'll manage, be a bit grizzly perhaps but they'll cope.

But America is huge it's more being on the same continent than the same country.

DownWhichOfLate · 06/09/2024 21:02

You know it isn’t like the movies and he won’t meet his son and beg you to be with him and you all live happily ever after… Your son will be massively unsettled from the flight etc, and will need you (or your mum). He will probably want to breastfeed even more than usual to deal with all the change.

AffableApple · 06/09/2024 21:01

I can't believe this is even a thread. He's a total stranger to your breastfeeding baby. Of course he can't have him overnight in a foreign country. This is batshit!

Happyhappyday · 06/09/2024 21:01

I’d also just tell him you’re not going after all. He doesn’t need to know anything. It does not sound like a guy you need to facilitate a relationship with at this stage.

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 06/09/2024 21:01

Tell your ex the trip has been cancelled/postponed to get him off your back, then consider arrangements from there. Say your ex couldn't be arsed to see his son and didn't want to know. What would you do then? Do that.

But definitely do NOT leave your son alone with this man. In fact I wouldn't be taking him at all. Express some milk, build up a freezer supply, and leave him with your parents. Better that than whatever your ex might try to pull once he's on US soil.

Happyhappyday · 06/09/2024 21:00

I think you’d be mad to leave him with this guy unsupervised at all. Kiddo doesn’t know him and I would be worried about a kidnapping situation. It’s not likely in the grand scheme of things but your relationship with dad isn’t good, you’re in a foreign country. Just no way would I leave my 1yo alone.

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 21:00

Singleandproud · 06/09/2024 20:20

Parents have responsibilities not rights. If he isn't on the birth certificate then he has as much 'right' to him as any Tom, Dick or Harry knows the street.

Honestly you are best just calling it a day and stop trying to facilitate any sort of contact beyond what he instigates himself.

What are you going to do with your son on this trip though? Are you bringing him with you? Leaving him with a grandparent etc? I'd be inclined to leave him with a familiar grandparent in the UK and not take him with you. Your milk won't dry up after a few days it'll be fine

His suggestion is like saying pop to Munich and drop your baby off whilst you work in London it's a ridiculous suggestion.

Edited

Yes wish I didn't even mention him I was going to the US now. I just thought as initially my mum might come I should let him know that his son would be in the same country.

My son currently feeds to sleep so I worried about that while I was away.

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TuVuoiFaLamericano · 06/09/2024 20:58

Awful idea. Don't do it, op

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