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To not want my baby to stay with his dad overnight

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Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:08

My baby is a year old and has never met his dad as he left me when I was pregnant for someone else and moved to the US afterwards. We've been in touch but it's not been very consistent especially on his side. He says he loves his son but he's only done a handfull of video calls with him and not provided anything financially. I often question why either of us bother and I've kept it to only responding when he reaches out.

Now I'm going to the US for work next month and I mentioned this to him and he suggested I brought my son and let him look after him while I'm working. However he lives in New York and the event is in Florida. I was tentative but I'm still breastfeeding and co-sleeping so I thought well this way if he takes him in the daytime I can carry on breastfeeding and co-sleeping at night.

However when I said this to my ex, he was annoyed and he said Florida is too far and he expected me to drop our son off in New York and leave him there for 4 or 5 days and then pick him up on the way back. He said he wants quality time with him including overnight and that I'm being unreasonable to deny him this as his parent. That I need to stop breastfeeding and it's not hard.

I'm assuming I'm not unreasonable, but just want to sanity check. Although he's his dad, he chose to leave and my son doesn't know him. I think my son would be distraught if I just left him with essentially a stranger even if he is his dad. I thought it was a big deal to leave him with him in the daytime as it was. I don't want to be accused of being the sort of mum who keeps my child from his father, but I thought offering him to either meet us in Florida or to stop in New York on the way there (so they could meet with my supervision) is very reasonable, especially given his lack of effort thusfar. I'm not saying never but now I think my son is too young and his father a stranger to him.

My ex is not a US citizen and can't travel out of the US currently to do with visas. He claims he has parental rights but he's not on the birth certificate and my son has my name. Presumably he can't exert rights over my son there as a non-US citizen. His partner has always seemed extremely hostile and has openly said negative things about the existance of our son throughout my pregnancy and thereafter which have gotten back to me.

I know people leave young babies with ex's and their partners all the time and I'd love to facilitate a relationship with his dad but AIBU to think his expectations are unreasonable?

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Pallisers · 06/09/2024 23:09

You'd be insane to do this (and I can't help feeling he knows that you will refuse so his "grand gesture" of offering to mind his own son will die a death and he is off the hook again).

Florida is 3 hours flight from NY. Would you even consider leaving your child with a stranger in Spain while you go to Greece for work? Of course not.

Stop communicating with this waste of space. Literally just stop responding on the rare occasions he contacts you. He'll be relieved is my guess. And your son will not have to deal with a useless, feckless father.

cocoloco23 · 06/09/2024 23:07

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:15

Yeh I know. I keep trying to phase out communication but then he pops up again and I don't want to be accused later down the line of being the parent that prevented contact. I've given him every opportunity to say he either doesn't want to be involved or be more involved but he just walks middle of the line for some unknown reason.

”I don't want to be accused later down the line of being the parent that prevented contact.”

HE moved to the other side of the world.

I’m not even a parent - and I know that if he wanted to be a decent father, he’d be putting your child’s needs before his own wants.

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 23:07

RobinHood19 · 06/09/2024 22:52

If your child’s abductor is living under the radar, it would make it more difficult to trace him. He’s most likely trying to stay off records and avoid the authorities, so do you think he’d make himself known to the police if he / the family decide to keep your child?

Please send a firm NO and never again consider the possibility of your child being put in this situation, it’s too dangerous.

I’d leave baby with your parents if they’re fine with caring for him during your trip. He will be fine, even though you’ll miss him like crazy!

They're applying for asylum and got married there so he is on the radar/on records. Also his partner has children at school there. But I still am wary in case he does something unhinged like abandon his partner and run off with my son even though he's got no one else there.

But yes I am thinking of leaving my son behind just because I feel my ex isn't prioritising him, I didn't like the dismissiveness about breastfeeding and I was reassurred what PPs said about my supply being find for a few days. I think at this point if we do meet it'd be for a supervised stopover only (with my mum is tow).

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SendMeHomeNow · 06/09/2024 23:07

Even if you didn’t pump there’s a good chance you could restart breastfeeding when you got back. If you look at photos of your son while you pump it helps the let down, not an old wives tale it really does work.
I wouldn’t leave him with him alone for 40 mins, he’s a total stranger to your son. He’s also a useless heartless idiot who hasn’t paid a penny towards his sons upbringing!
I agree with the poster who said you should block him. Try to sleep train him now and leave him with your parents. Would your Mum cosleep with him in your bed?

Sunshineandpool · 06/09/2024 23:05

I think you should never have agreed to leave your DS with him atall. You can't just leave your DS with a stranger. I'd cut him out of your DS's life. He is likely to cause more damage than benefit.

ASandwichNamedKevin · 06/09/2024 23:05

Tell him you have decided that actually you can’t go on the trip.
Stop contacting him. He has your number, it’s up to him to keep in touch.
Stop ignoring your instincts, your radar should be screaming at you!

Re breastfeeding even if you don’t usually pump bring a haakaa or something so you can stimulate the breasts every so often. Your supply should be fine at this stage. In your shoes if there is any way your mum could come with you I would do that. I quite understand if she won’t, my mother wasn’t amenable even when it would have been combined with a holiday for her or I offered to pay for a holiday afterwards etc. A colleague who got on really well with her MIL used to bring her MIL on all our work trips to mind her baby.

Kitkat1523 · 06/09/2024 23:04

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 22:48

@RobinHood19 There is no legal way for you to retrieve your son, should the worst happen. Yes, he has no rights to remain and is probably trying to keep a low profile, but he’ll also have a lot of family or community connections which mean he totally could deny you access to your child and you’d have no way to fight it legally (unless by reporting him).

What do you mean about having no legal way for me to retrieve my son? Surely if my son is abducted by someone who is not his legal guardian in the US the authorities would treat this extremely seriously?

He doesn't have a lot of family or community connections there - he moved with his partner and her family and they're not a big group. He fell out with most of his family over what happened with me. He's in contact with his mum and so am I but that's it.

I doubt the US system would protect you….always assuming he could be found….much easier for someone to go awol in the US with all the different States

Bemusedandconfusedagain · 06/09/2024 23:01

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 22:48

@RobinHood19 There is no legal way for you to retrieve your son, should the worst happen. Yes, he has no rights to remain and is probably trying to keep a low profile, but he’ll also have a lot of family or community connections which mean he totally could deny you access to your child and you’d have no way to fight it legally (unless by reporting him).

What do you mean about having no legal way for me to retrieve my son? Surely if my son is abducted by someone who is not his legal guardian in the US the authorities would treat this extremely seriously?

He doesn't have a lot of family or community connections there - he moved with his partner and her family and they're not a big group. He fell out with most of his family over what happened with me. He's in contact with his mum and so am I but that's it.

But does the US system care whether he has parental rights in the UK given there's also no court ordered access arrangements either way? Or could he just prove via a DNA test that he is the father which may satisfy the authorities he is not abducted. Then if father gets deported child may ve sent with him. I have no idea, but I'd wany to take legal advice on the point if it were me.

I know it is hard to leave a breastfeeding and cosleeping child (been there!) but honestly you'd be amazed how well they cope when left with a trusted adult. Baby is presumably on solids so will manage whilst you're away and you just need to keep your supply up. Baby is far safer with your mother than with a man he's never met.

VestaTilley · 06/09/2024 22:59

Absolutely not. On no account do this. Why are you even in touch with him? He doesn’t give you maintenance money and he sounds uninterested.

This man is to all intents and purposes a stranger - you barely know him. Your DS doesn’t know him and would be terrified.

You’d be mad to do this. Do not leave your DS with him overnight or alone.

BettyBardMacDonald · 06/09/2024 22:55

Spenditlikebeckham · 06/09/2024 20:10

You would be failing your ds if you even contemplated this ridiculous idea..

This x1000

I would not put a dog in that scenario let alone an infant.

RobinHood19 · 06/09/2024 22:52

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 22:48

@RobinHood19 There is no legal way for you to retrieve your son, should the worst happen. Yes, he has no rights to remain and is probably trying to keep a low profile, but he’ll also have a lot of family or community connections which mean he totally could deny you access to your child and you’d have no way to fight it legally (unless by reporting him).

What do you mean about having no legal way for me to retrieve my son? Surely if my son is abducted by someone who is not his legal guardian in the US the authorities would treat this extremely seriously?

He doesn't have a lot of family or community connections there - he moved with his partner and her family and they're not a big group. He fell out with most of his family over what happened with me. He's in contact with his mum and so am I but that's it.

If your child’s abductor is living under the radar, it would make it more difficult to trace him. He’s most likely trying to stay off records and avoid the authorities, so do you think he’d make himself known to the police if he / the family decide to keep your child?

Please send a firm NO and never again consider the possibility of your child being put in this situation, it’s too dangerous.

I’d leave baby with your parents if they’re fine with caring for him during your trip. He will be fine, even though you’ll miss him like crazy!

brentwoods · 06/09/2024 22:48

I'd block him because you're vulnerable to being persuaded to consider his ridiculous proposal. I'm a bit scared for your son that you don't have clear enough judgment to have given this unreliable man a firm NO when he proposed this idea in the first place.

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 22:48

@RobinHood19 There is no legal way for you to retrieve your son, should the worst happen. Yes, he has no rights to remain and is probably trying to keep a low profile, but he’ll also have a lot of family or community connections which mean he totally could deny you access to your child and you’d have no way to fight it legally (unless by reporting him).

What do you mean about having no legal way for me to retrieve my son? Surely if my son is abducted by someone who is not his legal guardian in the US the authorities would treat this extremely seriously?

He doesn't have a lot of family or community connections there - he moved with his partner and her family and they're not a big group. He fell out with most of his family over what happened with me. He's in contact with his mum and so am I but that's it.

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Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 22:15

MrsJRHartley · 06/09/2024 22:05

Well, you can't really go to Florida, can you? And you were never going to be able to go.

I have to. I'm a single mum and I need this job. It's mostly flexible but has occasional mandatory travel.

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MrsJRHartley · 06/09/2024 22:05

Well, you can't really go to Florida, can you? And you were never going to be able to go.

carly2803 · 06/09/2024 21:53

you tell him your trip is cancelled - end of story

do not leave your child which is a stranger!

RobinHood19 · 06/09/2024 21:39

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 21:32

He's without papers in the US like many Latinos. Didn't want to mention it as I didn't want to derail the conversation and feel like many Brits don't really understand about the situation over there as its very different to the UK.

From what I've read he can't refuse my child to leave as he has no legal parental rights and no right to remain himself.

This an important point OP. I won’t even judge it as I do understand a bit the situation you describe. However, it would be even more irresponsible for him to have unsupervised access to his child when he’s undocumented in the country.

There is no legal way for you to retrieve your son, should the worst happen. Yes, he has no rights to remain and is probably trying to keep a low profile, but he’ll also have a lot of family or community connections which mean he totally could deny you access to your child and you’d have no way to fight it legally (unless by reporting him).

Family ties are hugely important in Latino communities. Many believe children should live within the family, even if parents themselves are irresponsible in the way your ex is. So please, don’t let your child out of sight as you might never get him back. I say this without any malice - as I said, I have some knowledge and understanding of the culture. Protect your child and cut off contact.

Bumblingbee101 · 06/09/2024 21:38

Ah OP poor you. Being completely honest and I think you know all this as you've said it but I would go for your job if you absolutely need to with little one and if possible take someone with you who little one knows that can help. He isn't reliable and hasn't been reliable at all. And now he wants you to drop him another state lots of red flags here. Keep little one with you and share what you feel you need to with him but if he wants to see you both he can come to you and I would NOT be leaving him alone with him. To your little person he is an unreliable stranger and he has let yo down many many times. Stay safe and enjoy your little one.

soupfiend · 06/09/2024 21:37

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 21:32

He's without papers in the US like many Latinos. Didn't want to mention it as I didn't want to derail the conversation and feel like many Brits don't really understand about the situation over there as its very different to the UK.

From what I've read he can't refuse my child to leave as he has no legal parental rights and no right to remain himself.

Yes I wondered if he was Latino, I understand it

I wouldnt take the risk OP to be honest. But you're right to try to facilitate a relationship overall, its just that it needs to be done in the right way

Leave baby at home

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 21:37

FerreroFan · 06/09/2024 20:48

No, don't leave your child with a virtual stranger - to the baby anyway . You have no idea whether he can even safely lookafter the baby who will need nappy changing, feeding etc. Has your ex partner done these things before? And of course you don't have to stop breastfeeding because he said so. Your baby's needs come first.

Yes that's what I said it should be about what is best for my child.

Yes he's looked after lots of babies and small children before. Doesn't mean are parenting techniques are the same though.

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Myusername19 · 06/09/2024 21:36

Absolutely not!!! Hes basically a stranger

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 21:35

MissUltraViolet · 06/09/2024 21:14

How was this ever going to work between NY and Florida anyway? Why did you even tell him you would be going?

This was such a silly idea to begin with, even just having him watch the baby during the day, he is a complete stranger.

Take your mum or leave baby home with her.

I didn't know the location at first I thought it'd be in New York actually. I thought when I updated him on the location in Florida he'd just leave it.

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Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 21:34

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 06/09/2024 21:18

I have been on three similar length work trips away whilst breastfeeding my children. I took a pump with me to maintain my supply and carried on breastfeeding when I got home.

I think leaving him with your parents would be the better option, if you really have to go on the trip.

Yes that's what I'm thinking. It's more than he breastfeeds to sleep and isn't used to sleeping without me. I've only pumped a few times and didn't go very well.

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Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 21:32

soupfiend · 06/09/2024 21:23

Yes thats the risk, he may be able to refuse for the child to go home, that was what I meant in my first post but I see no one else has mentioned it.

OP still hasnt said why he cant leave the US or come to the UK, but in any case hopefully she will leave baby at home

He's without papers in the US like many Latinos. Didn't want to mention it as I didn't want to derail the conversation and feel like many Brits don't really understand about the situation over there as its very different to the UK.

From what I've read he can't refuse my child to leave as he has no legal parental rights and no right to remain himself.

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Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 21:27

BloodyAdultDC · 06/09/2024 21:21

Isn't there some rule that he could (potentially) refuse permission for DC to leave America if op takes them there? I know that's the case in Auz/NZ.

He would absolutely be given parental rights if he persued it - he is the father, op agrees he is the father. Wouldn't be too big a stretch for him to refuse to hand over dc leaving op stuck in the states (without a visa) or returning without the dc.

Apply for maintenance op - might cost a bit but there are ways to get it from America - and they take that sort of thing really seriously.

In the meantime, don't even contemplate this ridiculous plan. I wouldn't drop my teens in NY and then hop on to Florida, nevermind a one-year-old bf baby who's never met their dad. Insane.

Only for a US citizen. He's not a US citizen. If he tried for parental rights he'd be obligated to pay me CMS which he also doesn't want.

Also I mentioned already I'm not even contemplating leaving my baby in another State. I couldn't do that.

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