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To not want my baby to stay with his dad overnight

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Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 20:08

My baby is a year old and has never met his dad as he left me when I was pregnant for someone else and moved to the US afterwards. We've been in touch but it's not been very consistent especially on his side. He says he loves his son but he's only done a handfull of video calls with him and not provided anything financially. I often question why either of us bother and I've kept it to only responding when he reaches out.

Now I'm going to the US for work next month and I mentioned this to him and he suggested I brought my son and let him look after him while I'm working. However he lives in New York and the event is in Florida. I was tentative but I'm still breastfeeding and co-sleeping so I thought well this way if he takes him in the daytime I can carry on breastfeeding and co-sleeping at night.

However when I said this to my ex, he was annoyed and he said Florida is too far and he expected me to drop our son off in New York and leave him there for 4 or 5 days and then pick him up on the way back. He said he wants quality time with him including overnight and that I'm being unreasonable to deny him this as his parent. That I need to stop breastfeeding and it's not hard.

I'm assuming I'm not unreasonable, but just want to sanity check. Although he's his dad, he chose to leave and my son doesn't know him. I think my son would be distraught if I just left him with essentially a stranger even if he is his dad. I thought it was a big deal to leave him with him in the daytime as it was. I don't want to be accused of being the sort of mum who keeps my child from his father, but I thought offering him to either meet us in Florida or to stop in New York on the way there (so they could meet with my supervision) is very reasonable, especially given his lack of effort thusfar. I'm not saying never but now I think my son is too young and his father a stranger to him.

My ex is not a US citizen and can't travel out of the US currently to do with visas. He claims he has parental rights but he's not on the birth certificate and my son has my name. Presumably he can't exert rights over my son there as a non-US citizen. His partner has always seemed extremely hostile and has openly said negative things about the existance of our son throughout my pregnancy and thereafter which have gotten back to me.

I know people leave young babies with ex's and their partners all the time and I'd love to facilitate a relationship with his dad but AIBU to think his expectations are unreasonable?

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Takenoprisoner · 07/09/2024 12:00

Flopsythebunny · 07/09/2024 11:50

Come on op, give your head a wobble.
You seem to the thriving on the drama of all this now!
If you've got any brain cells, you'll cut contact with this guy and get on with your life

This basically. You cannot trust this man, he has no fatherly qualities. Read up on the many many child abduction cases by a parent, you need a wake up call for ever considering this

Flopsythebunny · 07/09/2024 11:50

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 22:48

@RobinHood19 There is no legal way for you to retrieve your son, should the worst happen. Yes, he has no rights to remain and is probably trying to keep a low profile, but he’ll also have a lot of family or community connections which mean he totally could deny you access to your child and you’d have no way to fight it legally (unless by reporting him).

What do you mean about having no legal way for me to retrieve my son? Surely if my son is abducted by someone who is not his legal guardian in the US the authorities would treat this extremely seriously?

He doesn't have a lot of family or community connections there - he moved with his partner and her family and they're not a big group. He fell out with most of his family over what happened with me. He's in contact with his mum and so am I but that's it.

Come on op, give your head a wobble.
You seem to the thriving on the drama of all this now!
If you've got any brain cells, you'll cut contact with this guy and get on with your life

Bunny44 · 07/09/2024 11:13

PointsSouth · 07/09/2024 10:48

So, were it not for the circumstance of you being on the same continent, he wouldn't be making any particular plans to see this baby?

And even when you are on the same continent, he's not prepared to take an internal flight to see this baby?

And, presumably, the idea is that you go about two thousand miles out of your way on a round trip to drop off and pick up this baby?

And in order for him to see this baby without leaving his apartment, he's telling you to stop breastfeeding this baby?

Which bit of all that do you think you're being unreasonable about?

I don't. It's just I know of lots of separated parents doing this sort of thing all the time because they have to so it seems the norm in some cases, but yes I think it's unreasonable of him and his expectations.

He can't come to the UK basically ever again though since he crossed the US border illegally, the UK have rules that would mean he can no longer visit the UK even as a tourist. Flying internally I think might also be problemetic for him too but I'm not sure. He could drive but it's around 24 hours. He said he would come to Florida but only if he could have him overnight. I think he was just being difficult though.

He messaged me again last night though saying he'd spoken to him mum and he'd misunderstood what I said and that yes it's normal for my baby not to do overnights yet when he doesn't know him. He was convinced before that that I was being deliberately difficult. Again I was on the point of just leaving it all together. Not sure if I can be bothered to accommodate him now though even with a visit as like you said surely he should be going out of his way within his means of doing so rather than making everything about him and what he wants.

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PointsSouth · 07/09/2024 10:48

So, were it not for the circumstance of you being on the same continent, he wouldn't be making any particular plans to see this baby?

And even when you are on the same continent, he's not prepared to take an internal flight to see this baby?

And, presumably, the idea is that you go about two thousand miles out of your way on a round trip to drop off and pick up this baby?

And in order for him to see this baby without leaving his apartment, he's telling you to stop breastfeeding this baby?

Which bit of all that do you think you're being unreasonable about?

MegaClutterSlut · 07/09/2024 10:20

Fuck that shit, there's no way I'd be leaving my son with him without me. So many things that can go wrong for you, its not worth the risk imo

Pussycat22 · 07/09/2024 09:45

He loves his son !! How???

Naunet · 07/09/2024 09:31

He’s being an entitled prick and a bully, not thinking of your son at all but just about himself. Tell him to fuck off and come back when he’s grown up and learnt to think of others, not just himself.

godmum56 · 07/09/2024 09:02

You were considering for EVEN ONE SECOND leaving your son in a foreign country with an illegal immigrant who has never seen him????? Given that he has no prespect of having parental rights and you wouldn't have him back if he was the last man in the owrld, why are you even still in contact? and yes, I'd be telling your employer that you can't do the trip at all.

godmum56 · 07/09/2024 08:56

RobinHood19 · 06/09/2024 20:16

Do not even think about it. Your son is too young to stay with his dad, and this man sounds too shady to be left in charge of a child, in a foreign country.

How long has he been in the US? Legal immigrants on work / tourist visas are allowed to leave the country and come back whenever they want, his story makes no sense.

He’s either been there long enough to be applying for residence and it so happens that this is a period between visa expiring and residence being granted… or he’s overstayed his visa so he can’t travel abroad as when he tries to come back, he won’t be let in. Or even better, he’ll be arrested at the airport on the way out.

So this man is unreliable at best, an illegal overstayer at worst, which would make locating and getting back your son even more complicated, if he decides not to return him after these magical 5 days of parenting him alone.

Don’t do this OP. Trust your gut and don’t listen to him.

THis, the can't leave America thing sounds very suss. Been there and done it.

GreenClockTower · 07/09/2024 07:52

Spenditlikebeckham · 06/09/2024 20:10

You would be failing your ds if you even contemplated this ridiculous idea..

This.

He is either utterly clueless or utterly uncaring and only thinking of his own wishes not the wellbeing of the child.

Don't hand your one year old baby to a man he's never met and hope to get him back five days later.

Make other arrangements for childcare (ideally pay for travel for a known babysitter to travel with you for the daytime childcare).

As your ex knows your plans leave the option open for him to travel to where you are and meet your son of course, but supervised by you at all times, in a child friendly restaurant at lunchtime followed by a walk together to the nearest playground in a park or something. It's unlikely he'll bother putting in the effort to meet his son properly in a way that is in your son's interests by the sound of it.

Without any paperwork he doesn't have any rights at all atm and would have to apply through the courts to get a paternity test and go from there to get any.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 07/09/2024 07:41

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 21:34

Yes that's what I'm thinking. It's more than he breastfeeds to sleep and isn't used to sleeping without me. I've only pumped a few times and didn't go very well.

If you want to stop breastfeeding then the trip away might be a good motivation to do it.

If you aren't ready to stop then either try to figure out pumping so you can maintain your supply where you're gone, or tell your employer that as a single mother of a breastfed baby you're not in a position to do long business trips abroad just yet.

Bunny44 · 07/09/2024 01:46

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/09/2024 01:28

He's without papers in the US like many Latinos. Didn't want to mention it as I didn't want to derail the conversation and feel like many Brits don't really understand about the situation over there as its very different to the UK.

Plan for the worst. Kid becomes sick, dad delays going to emerg because he's not got papers, kid gets sicker. Finally they get to emerg, SW called because kid is sicker than he should be. Foreign child with undocumented dad? Kid is going to foster care.

I think Latinos have a hell of a time. I love Central America. the increasingly hostile environment puts your child in danger. And dad could choose to go to Guatemala with him through some other route, weirder things have happened.

They're from South America. He racked up debts there trying to start a business last year, so is particularly keen not to go back. He seems to love living in the US. In his country they really struggled economically whereas in the US as an undocumented migrant it's hard but they can afford rent, food, new clothes and a car (his dream after having a son).

But yes I already said he couldn't stay with him before because of their immigration status and access to health care.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 07/09/2024 01:28

He's without papers in the US like many Latinos. Didn't want to mention it as I didn't want to derail the conversation and feel like many Brits don't really understand about the situation over there as its very different to the UK.

Plan for the worst. Kid becomes sick, dad delays going to emerg because he's not got papers, kid gets sicker. Finally they get to emerg, SW called because kid is sicker than he should be. Foreign child with undocumented dad? Kid is going to foster care.

I think Latinos have a hell of a time. I love Central America. the increasingly hostile environment puts your child in danger. And dad could choose to go to Guatemala with him through some other route, weirder things have happened.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/09/2024 01:16

@Bunny44

I'm in the US. Parental 'rules' vary from state to state. But he is 'domiciled' in New York state so that state's rules would apply. Assuming that he is not on the birth certificate, you have not signed a legal document acknowledging him as the father, and there has been no court order establishing paternity he has no legal rights over the child.

Only for a US citizen. He's not a US citizen. If he tried for parental rights he'd be obligated to pay me CMS which he also doesn't want.

If you're saying that because he's not a US citizen that he can't pursue paternity through the US courts, you are dead wrong. Even if he is here illegally, he can still file for paternity. In fact, he could actually have gotten an order 'in absentia', but he would have had to have the birth certificate and told a whole shit load of lies to do so. And a paternity order in the US does not mean an obligation to pay child support (as it's termed in the US), that would be a separate court order. Technically the UK & US have a 'reciprocal agreement' to enforce child support orders, but it's nearly impossible to get one state's local child support agency to enforce an order from another US state, let alone a foreign country.

But just for your own peace of mind, I would tell him that the work thing has been cancelled and you are no longer going to Florida. Then just go and return quietly. Least said, soonest mended.

JFDIYOLO · 07/09/2024 00:00

And if he's an asylum seeker without papers in the US, there's the outside possibility they get refused asylum while your child is with them, detained for removal and off your child goes to social services.

They are in a precarious position - and your child would be in an even more precarious position.

fashionqueen0123 · 06/09/2024 23:59

I would file for CMS/Maintenance. He sounds awful. Why let him do what he wants? It’s his problem if he’s has gone somewhere else.
Id take your parents with you. I couldn’t be apart for that long from such a young baby.

MotherJessAndKittens · 06/09/2024 23:54

Absolutely not. Think about what might happen if he disappears with him! Overnights are a no no when breast feeding anyway!

JFDIYOLO · 06/09/2024 23:49

It's not just unreasonable, it's nuts.

You'd be leaving your breast fed child with strangers - the poor child would be distraught.

And you'd be leaving him eith a woman who resents his very existence.

He doesn't love his child. He doesn't know him, has done nothing to support or coparent and is now trying to twist blame for that onto you.

Personally I'd ghost him.

RobinHood19 · 06/09/2024 23:38

They can't just award custody of a child to an un-named parent and send him to a country where he doesn't have citizenship with an unregistered parent. Especially since the US has bilateral agreements with the UK.

In theory, they can’t. In practice, it can take years to sort out and agreements don’t mean immediate action would be taken. I really don’t mean to scare you / any parents out there, but there are huge implications to taking your child to another country and leaving them in the care of their parent. There are many horror stories of seemingly innocent visits or holidays, where the children were never returned.

I think your mum going with you, or your son staying home with them would be safe options. Don’t try to justify him, help him, or be too trusting of his reasons and low chances of anything happening to your son. The law and agreements can’t 100% protect your son - just don’t put him in that vulnerable situation.

babyproblems · 06/09/2024 23:34

You can’t seriously be considering this.
Your baby has no idea who this stranger is!! Of course it’s unreasonable. I wouldn’t even see him based on what you’ve said. I probably wouldn’t contact him at all unless he was in the same country (living) as me and baby and I had seen some consistent effort. Honestly- be stronger and set boundaries. He clearly knows nothing about babies!! Or he’d know this is mad,

thequeenoftarts · 06/09/2024 23:32

Be a bit like you leaving your son with me, can you imagine how scared your son would be?...Who am I to your little one? No one at all, as is his sperm donor. Sorry but I am calling it like it is, the man is nothing and no one to your son. Get another phone number and maybe check that old number occasionally, but as he cant come to the UK, there really is not much point in your son even knowing who he is

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 23:27

Bemusedandconfusedagain · 06/09/2024 23:01

But does the US system care whether he has parental rights in the UK given there's also no court ordered access arrangements either way? Or could he just prove via a DNA test that he is the father which may satisfy the authorities he is not abducted. Then if father gets deported child may ve sent with him. I have no idea, but I'd wany to take legal advice on the point if it were me.

I know it is hard to leave a breastfeeding and cosleeping child (been there!) but honestly you'd be amazed how well they cope when left with a trusted adult. Baby is presumably on solids so will manage whilst you're away and you just need to keep your supply up. Baby is far safer with your mother than with a man he's never met.

He's not on the birth certificate, doesn't have his name and my baby is a British citizen. They can't just award custody of a child to an un-named parent and send him to a country where he doesn't have citizenship with an unregistered parent. Especially since the US has bilateral agreements with the UK.

Yes thinking of leaving him at home anyway since ex/his father is making things difficult. Wondering if he's being difficult because he actually doesn't want to see his son/knows it will make things difficult with his partner.

My ex's mum has waded in anyway and is 100% on my side on this. She said it could be extremely traumatising to my son and she's speaking to her son about it.

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Takenoprisoner · 06/09/2024 23:26

I think it's fine to tell him a lie, such as the work trip isn't going ahead anymore. then let the contact fizzle out. This man isn't to be trusted with your dc.

Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 23:20

Pallisers · 06/09/2024 23:09

You'd be insane to do this (and I can't help feeling he knows that you will refuse so his "grand gesture" of offering to mind his own son will die a death and he is off the hook again).

Florida is 3 hours flight from NY. Would you even consider leaving your child with a stranger in Spain while you go to Greece for work? Of course not.

Stop communicating with this waste of space. Literally just stop responding on the rare occasions he contacts you. He'll be relieved is my guess. And your son will not have to deal with a useless, feckless father.

I can't help feeling he knows that you will refuse so his "grand gesture" of offering to mind his own son will die a death and he is off the hook again

I'm actually wondering this... although he sounded genuinely enthusiastic and then genuinely disappointed in his voicenotes. But who knows - I think he may be a narcissist from his behaviour (not just throwing that around).

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Bunny44 · 06/09/2024 23:10

SendMeHomeNow · 06/09/2024 23:07

Even if you didn’t pump there’s a good chance you could restart breastfeeding when you got back. If you look at photos of your son while you pump it helps the let down, not an old wives tale it really does work.
I wouldn’t leave him with him alone for 40 mins, he’s a total stranger to your son. He’s also a useless heartless idiot who hasn’t paid a penny towards his sons upbringing!
I agree with the poster who said you should block him. Try to sleep train him now and leave him with your parents. Would your Mum cosleep with him in your bed?

OK thanks for the tips that's helpful. No my parents are both really heavy sleepers so I wouldn't want them co-sleeping. That's one of the things I worry about with leaving him with them but obviously needs must.

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