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To be reluctant to provide fingerprints for this reason?

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averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 18:39

A bit puzzled and confused about this.

I subscribe to the update service for the DBS. Received this letter.

As part of your subscription we continually check the police national computer (PNC) and have found the record of a person with similar identify details to your own. This does not mean that this PNC record belongs to you, however, we need to confirm that this is not the case. To do this, we need to compare your fingerprints with those held on the PNC record.

There is more, but that’s the important part.

I know everyone will say scam but I’m as sure as I can be that it isn’t. Completely baffled and not entirely comfortable with it.

OP posts:
LickThatPinkVenom · 06/09/2024 19:55

YABVVU with all this navel gazing OP, now that we've established it's not a scam.
You either give your fingerprints or lose your DBS. At a police station obviously no sending them in
Simples.
It doesn't matter whether random strangers on the internet agree with you r.e. discomfort. It's not going to change the situation.

They'd need the fingerprints because they won't necessarily have enough identifying data for the known criminal, like all their addresses.

Oh and also, nothing can be done with your fingerprints... They can hardly print them out and frame you at a crime scene.

stripybobblehat · 06/09/2024 19:54

Maybe you look like them?

Jeezitneverends · 06/09/2024 19:53

RadioWhatsNew · 06/09/2024 18:56

I used to process DBS, it's not a scam. Basically there will be someone that has a similar name and date of birth as you that has a criminal record. In those circumstances it's usually someone that has several aliases and one is similar to you and they can't rule you out as being this person. As there are fingerprints on file they would ask you to provide yours for comparison.

Normally if you agree you will be asked to attend a police station to have them taken, and once it's established that you are not the one with the criminal record your prints are destroyed but a note would be kept on file so if you need DBS again you shouldn't have to go through the process and can be eliminated right away

Yup this. I use the PNC daily at work, and in similar situations when you look at the PNC record it will say “not identical to PNCID 12345 BLOGGS/JOE:01011970}

averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 19:52

Monkeysatonthewall · 06/09/2024 19:48

OP you should've mentioned the letter had the correct DBS address and contact details in your original post. It's not a scam.

I did say I was certain it wasn’t a scam. I’m not really sure what else I can say!

OP posts:
Monkeysatonthewall · 06/09/2024 19:48

Monkeysatonthewall · 06/09/2024 18:40

Sounds like a scam.

OP you should've mentioned the letter had the correct DBS address and contact details in your original post. It's not a scam.

HeyPrestoAlakazam · 06/09/2024 19:47

Just to warn you, like a PP I had a role processing Enhanced DBS Checks for new starters and had this before with one of our new starters and she said she'd had to provide prints every time she moved jobs as she had a similar identity to a criminal (despite a very unusual name!) and they'd take prints at a police station, confirm they weren't a match to the one on record then destroy the prints. So this may keep happening, sorry OP.

amigafan2003 · 06/09/2024 19:46

averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 19:28

Yeah … I suppose I’m just wondering how do I know that.

It probably is stupid as I wouldn’t hesitate in the case of a crime being investigated. It just seems peculiar that despite my full name (including middle names) address, DOB and previous addresses - oh and photo - they still can’t establish my identity! It doesn’t fill me with confidence!

Someone could have stolen your identity.........

amigafan2003 · 06/09/2024 19:45

DogInATent · 06/09/2024 19:15

No, it's not normal.
I was surprised how little was asked for when my Enhanced DBS renewed last week.

It's not usual, but it does happen.

CouldBeOuting · 06/09/2024 19:38

I really don’t understand why the OP is so worried about having her fingerprints taken.
I didn’t have mine taken as part of my DBS process but I do have a VERY unusual maiden name and my married name is even more unique! However, I had my prints taken as a child when home was burgled (exclusion prints) and as an adult in similar circumstances. Prints for these purposes are NOT stored.

OP, if you want your DBS check processed you’ll have to agree to your prints being checked. If you have no criminal record then you have nothing to worry about.

Sleepersausage · 06/09/2024 19:38

I've processed lots of DBS through work and this does happen, it just means someone has the same name as you I think

Kinneddar · 06/09/2024 19:35

toooldtocare · 06/09/2024 19:15

Hubby who works for Police says fingerprints aren’t held on PNC records.

It is a scam.

Rubbish. It's been badly worded. PNC will indicate if fingerprints are held so they want the OP to provide prints to be compared with the prints held for the person on PNC

Someone who works in DBS has confirmed it's something that's done

CormorantStrikesBack · 06/09/2024 19:35

If they destroy the prints afterwards I don’t see it as a problem

DogInATent · 06/09/2024 19:33

SerendipityJane · 06/09/2024 19:27

You'd also be surprised how much they know ...

Well, it was a renewal. It was odd that they asked for the date printed on one of the supporting documents but at no point was the document asked for or seen by anyone, and the date was the only identifying feature. Asking for the date on the utility bill, but not who it's with, the address, or for a copy to be sent. I know they know a lot, but I didn't think Mystic Meg was doing the reviewing!

Misthios · 06/09/2024 19:31

right? And what difference does it make to the OP whether they are looking at PC Plod's Big Database of Prints or the PNC? The end result is the same. She gives her prints, they check to see if they match with prints taken from a convicted/charged criminal.

toooldtocare · 06/09/2024 19:29

Misthios · 06/09/2024 19:19

"Hubby" is wrong.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/dbs-certificate-disputes-and-fingerprint-consent-forms-and-guidance-af14-af15/dbs-certificate-disputes-and-fingerprint-consent-guidance

This is the guidance for people who receive a DBS certificate with crimes listed which they are sure don't belong to them, they have to give their fingerprints as proof. Of COURSE the Police has a database of fingerprints.

Yes absolutely they have a database of fingerprints it’s just not the PNC.

averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 19:28

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 06/09/2024 19:26

They're not allowed to keep your fingerprints on file for future use, if that's what you're worried about. Once they've been compared to the known criminal's prints they'll be destroyed. The same as when they do those mass fingerprint / dna collection exercises when they're looking for a serial killer or whatever, anyone that doesn't match has their data destroyed.

Yeah … I suppose I’m just wondering how do I know that.

It probably is stupid as I wouldn’t hesitate in the case of a crime being investigated. It just seems peculiar that despite my full name (including middle names) address, DOB and previous addresses - oh and photo - they still can’t establish my identity! It doesn’t fill me with confidence!

OP posts:
SerendipityJane · 06/09/2024 19:27

DogInATent · 06/09/2024 19:15

No, it's not normal.
I was surprised how little was asked for when my Enhanced DBS renewed last week.

You'd also be surprised how much they know ...

averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 19:27

At the risk of being highly pedantic and pissing you off, we are in Europe. You mean the EU.

I like how you say ‘no longer’, last time I left UK soil was 2002 🤣

In any case, I suppose the disquiet I have is I don’t know how trustworthy our esteemed police force are and it’s a big thing to hand over when no crime has been committed.

OP posts:
GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 06/09/2024 19:26

They're not allowed to keep your fingerprints on file for future use, if that's what you're worried about. Once they've been compared to the known criminal's prints they'll be destroyed. The same as when they do those mass fingerprint / dna collection exercises when they're looking for a serial killer or whatever, anyone that doesn't match has their data destroyed.

DogInATent · 06/09/2024 19:25

Misthios · 06/09/2024 19:22

It's right there in the letter the OP has! " found the record of a person with similar identify details to your own. "

So one of the Angela Smiths has a criminal record. DBS wants to know that OP is the other one! 9999 times out of 10,000 this won't happen as your name/town/DOB are unique enough. But if you are called Laura Taylor, Karen Jones, Elizabeth Anderson - there will be dozens of you across the country and if one of the others has a criminal record, fingerprints it is.

And yes, @averystrangeletter the process is that you make an appointment at your local nick to have the prints taken,

Yes, for this specific case. But this won't always be the case. There will be more people with similar identities where neither has a criminal record.

Scirocco · 06/09/2024 19:25

If it's legitimate, then you probably do need to provide fingerprints or an alternative if they'll accept that, in order to ensure you aren't someone with the same name or similar details who has committed a crime. You could always ask what alternatives might be available, and check what happens with your fingerprint information once obtained (storage, sharing/cross-linking, schedule for deletion, etc).

I'd check with DBS and police though

DogInATent · 06/09/2024 19:24

averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 19:22

They aren’t no. I’m sure it isn’t a scam. But it doesn’t mean I’m comfortable with it either!

Read the link posted by a PP, it mentions the possibility of a photo identification rather than fingerprint. Which seems logical now that passports are biometric.

I assume you'll no longer be visiting Europe from November.

averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 19:22

DogInATent · 06/09/2024 19:19

@averystrangeletter how are they expecting you to provide your fingerprints. If they're expecting you to do it yourself at home then that's definitely a scam.

They aren’t no. I’m sure it isn’t a scam. But it doesn’t mean I’m comfortable with it either!

OP posts:
Misthios · 06/09/2024 19:22

DogInATent · 06/09/2024 19:17

But that only works if you assume at least one of them has a set of fingerprints on file.

The reason you provide passport or driving license is to prove which Angela Smith you are.

It's right there in the letter the OP has! " found the record of a person with similar identify details to your own. "

So one of the Angela Smiths has a criminal record. DBS wants to know that OP is the other one! 9999 times out of 10,000 this won't happen as your name/town/DOB are unique enough. But if you are called Laura Taylor, Karen Jones, Elizabeth Anderson - there will be dozens of you across the country and if one of the others has a criminal record, fingerprints it is.

And yes, @averystrangeletter the process is that you make an appointment at your local nick to have the prints taken,

Scirocco · 06/09/2024 19:21

How is the letter proposing for you to provide your fingerprints? Anything other than attending a police station just screams scam, really. I'd suggest phoning the DBS contact number (from different correspondence! not the number from that letter) and advising them of the letter you've received. If there's a legitimate need, they can confirm this. If they can't, then you contact the police because of concerns about it potentially being a scam.

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