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To be reluctant to provide fingerprints for this reason?

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averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 18:39

A bit puzzled and confused about this.

I subscribe to the update service for the DBS. Received this letter.

As part of your subscription we continually check the police national computer (PNC) and have found the record of a person with similar identify details to your own. This does not mean that this PNC record belongs to you, however, we need to confirm that this is not the case. To do this, we need to compare your fingerprints with those held on the PNC record.

There is more, but that’s the important part.

I know everyone will say scam but I’m as sure as I can be that it isn’t. Completely baffled and not entirely comfortable with it.

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Misthios · 07/09/2024 23:17

Absolutely. People forge letters asking recipients to go to the police station to give prints all the time. 🙄

Coco1379 · 07/09/2024 23:05

averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 18:47

It is the DBS address on the letter.

Could be a forgery.

Iwasafool · 07/09/2024 21:25

Pawparazzi · 07/09/2024 21:08

I have what could be considered a 'common' name on the DBS Update Service. In all the DBS literature, I've never seen this 'fingerprints' aspect. I'd suggest it to be a scam. You CAN speak to the DBS HQ by phone and from memory they are very responsive and clued up. In any case, fingerprints of someone like yourself, completely honest with no 'history' could only be kept on file for a very limited time.

It does happen. Before I retired I signed DBS forms and sent them off and one came back that the prospective member of staff needed to have fingerprints taken, it all came back clear. It was his name and age were apparently the same as a murderer, might have been an alias rather than his actual name but anyway it does happen.

He had to go to the local police station where his fingerprints were taken.

I can't think what the scam would be, what would they do with the fingerprints?

Pawparazzi · 07/09/2024 21:08

I have what could be considered a 'common' name on the DBS Update Service. In all the DBS literature, I've never seen this 'fingerprints' aspect. I'd suggest it to be a scam. You CAN speak to the DBS HQ by phone and from memory they are very responsive and clued up. In any case, fingerprints of someone like yourself, completely honest with no 'history' could only be kept on file for a very limited time.

Lucy25 · 07/09/2024 19:33

CloudywMeatballs · 06/09/2024 19:58

I think a lot of people, like me, don't understand why you are uncomfortable with it knowing it's not a scam, and that's why they are questioning it.

OP, hasn’t said she’s 100% it’s not a scam.
I’ve never heard of this before, giving fingerprints.Think it’s just helpful for OP just, to get different opinions.

KrisAkabusi · 07/09/2024 10:24

I imagine she's going to go to a police station, as she won't be able to keep her job if she doesn't.

amigafan2003 · 07/09/2024 09:26

averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 21:00

Except they apparently can’t distinguish between me and AN Other despite different addresses!

So after 5 pages of posts and hand wringing, what are you going to do?

OCDmama · 07/09/2024 09:10

Josette77 · 06/09/2024 22:16

This sounds incredibly paranoid.

The police aren't out to keep your fingerprints for a rainy day.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson @Josette77
My parents have been observed and recorded for completely legal activity (political party membership and unions). Even if I don't think they're interested in my prints, I equally don't think they're interested in privacy legislation or can even be bothered to follow deletion procedures.

I have had countless interactions with the police who have proven themselves at best feckless arseholes - you want some examples though?NDN is followed home by a moped. She turns from opening her door to find a man with knife. Luckily her husband was behind the door. Police response? "What do you expect, you live in __". A man was beating his girlfriend under the estate bins by my kitchen window. I called multiple times and they just wouldn't come. Not until I said I'd have to go out with a cricket bat because I thought he'd kill her. A young man, shirtless and with no shoes in December, high and in extreme distress in the road. Saying he was going to kill himself but also batter any man walking past. "That's not our responsibility".

Two close friends married officers, both marriages failed. Emotional abuse. Husbands made such casual comments as "9 times out of 10 I stop people for the way they look at me" and "If I can't remember the law I'm arresting someone under I look it up on the way to the cop shop".

You only have to look at the news to see what the police are like. Look up the stats for officers being perpetrators of DV. Every week there's catastrophic failures. The Met has had to set up a unit to investigate it's own officers.

Don't tell me I'm paranoid.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 06/09/2024 23:25

Stravaig · 06/09/2024 20:51

@AccidentallyWesAnderson No change in 50 years! The odds are good that my baby/toddler prints have been eaten by time and nature :)

Probably! :-)

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 06/09/2024 22:31

OCDmama · 06/09/2024 22:03

I wouldn't want to go to a police station and have my finger prints scanned.
I don't have a criminal record and haven't committed any crimes. I just really wouldn't want to, because I don't trust the police at all and want absolutely zero interactions with them. They're a law unto themselves, I doubt that they give two shits about requirements to delete prints, GDPR, SARs or anything else.

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If they're ink, the customer walks away with them. The police don't keep a copy. If they're digital it's a separate department that deals with the prints and a paper copy is available for them to collect. GDPR is adhered to by them. The police don't care about your/Joe Bloggs standard DBS prints mate. Too busy (and not enough staff) dealing with actual criminals.

Josette77 · 06/09/2024 22:16

OCDmama · 06/09/2024 22:03

I wouldn't want to go to a police station and have my finger prints scanned.
I don't have a criminal record and haven't committed any crimes. I just really wouldn't want to, because I don't trust the police at all and want absolutely zero interactions with them. They're a law unto themselves, I doubt that they give two shits about requirements to delete prints, GDPR, SARs or anything else.

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This sounds incredibly paranoid.

The police aren't out to keep your fingerprints for a rainy day.

TennisLady · 06/09/2024 22:16

YesIReallyDoLikeRootBeer · 06/09/2024 22:12

I had my finger prints taken back in 2000 for my job. In the last 24 years I have had no other interaction with the police. They dont bother with me because I havent done anything for them to need to interact with me. I find it strange that people who have a clean record would be bothered by this, and sound a bit paranoid about it all too.

Take some time to read into the problems of the “I’ve got nothing to hide” argument.

Josette77 · 06/09/2024 22:13

I had my finger prints taken locally and with interpol twice when adopting. I never gave it much thought.

I'm not a criminal so no fear of them linking me to a crime.

To be honest I'm surprised you aren't more concerned someone might have stolen your identity.

YesIReallyDoLikeRootBeer · 06/09/2024 22:12

TennisLady · 06/09/2024 22:06

I agree OP, I wouldn’t want to be going to a police station to give fingerprints or DNA when I haven’t committed a crime. The people who don’t seem to have a problem with this will be the type who don’t mind extra monitoring because “I’ve got nothing to hide” but people don’t really truly consider what is wrong with that.

I had my finger prints taken back in 2000 for my job. In the last 24 years I have had no other interaction with the police. They dont bother with me because I havent done anything for them to need to interact with me. I find it strange that people who have a clean record would be bothered by this, and sound a bit paranoid about it all too.

TennisLady · 06/09/2024 22:06

I agree OP, I wouldn’t want to be going to a police station to give fingerprints or DNA when I haven’t committed a crime. The people who don’t seem to have a problem with this will be the type who don’t mind extra monitoring because “I’ve got nothing to hide” but people don’t really truly consider what is wrong with that.

Thatmissingsock · 06/09/2024 22:03

Bambooshoot · 06/09/2024 18:52

Hopefully there is a contact number or email on the letter, contact them and request an in- person appointment maybe? If you are there with your ID it would be quite simple to prove you are not this “other person” and you could ask them what on earth was going on? Much easier than letters/emails/texts back and forth, though I know it is an absolute pain to have to take a day to sort it out.

No don't use the contact details on the letter thats the point if its a scam those will go straight through to the scammers. Go to the gov.uk website for disclosure and barring service, and find contact details there. That's your start point

OCDmama · 06/09/2024 22:03

I wouldn't want to go to a police station and have my finger prints scanned.
I don't have a criminal record and haven't committed any crimes. I just really wouldn't want to, because I don't trust the police at all and want absolutely zero interactions with them. They're a law unto themselves, I doubt that they give two shits about requirements to delete prints, GDPR, SARs or anything else.

Ladybug6757755 · 06/09/2024 21:43

Id just wait for any appointment to have your biometrics done at a police station. Realistically this is the only place youd give them…
I’ve had a Google and can find guidance regarding it -and that states wait for an invite to your local police station.

It does make sense though as there might be someone with a similar if not the same name and DOB… that person might have precons etc

YesIReallyDoLikeRootBeer · 06/09/2024 21:35

I dont understand what the big deal is. I'm in America and work in a school. You have to provide your fingerprints to pass a background check to work there. If you have not done anything bad (and dont plan to) why does it matter if they have your fingerprints?

Pinguastic · 06/09/2024 21:30

Spenditlikebeckham · 06/09/2024 18:48

Ring them first...

Don’t ring … a scammer will answer. Visit your local police station and just ask if it’s a scam. You don’t have to give them info or prints. You are just checking it’s real.

StMarieforme · 06/09/2024 21:04

I was fingerprinted when I went to the USA this year. Didn't bother me. What on earth do you think they're going to do with it?

averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 21:00

ReadingInTheRain583 · 06/09/2024 20:55

They already have access to all your information though

Except they apparently can’t distinguish between me and AN Other despite different addresses!

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ReadingInTheRain583 · 06/09/2024 20:55

averystrangeletter · 06/09/2024 20:46

In well over forty years I’ve never had to do it so I’m afraid going to my local police station and handing over highly personal info isn’t akin to nipping into Tesco after work. That snark isn’t aimed at you by the way, it’s the ‘well if you don’t like it get another job’ posters.

It isn’t every day you come home to a letter like that.

They already have access to all your information though

Iwasafool · 06/09/2024 20:55

I worked with someone who had to do this. We looked his name up and it came up with someone who had been convicted of murder (might have been manslaughter.)

I wouldn't worry but I know we are all different but I'd look at it as I leave my finger prints all over the place, if the police desperately wanted them they could follow me into a cafe and take the glass when I leave or follow me into a shop and if I've picked something up and put it back they could just take it. Not hard to get some fingerprints.

Stravaig · 06/09/2024 20:51

@AccidentallyWesAnderson No change in 50 years! The odds are good that my baby/toddler prints have been eaten by time and nature :)

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