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To have not known what to do or say to a woman being treated like dirt by her partner in a restaurant.

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Greentea5cups · 06/09/2024 02:46

Name changed because I'll give details.

City centre, romantic restaurant it's a small place with only around 6 tables. I am in the window area at a 2 seater table with one other two seater right next to us.

Me and partner joke around a bit order food and relatively happy. I noticed he's stopped making conversation and so him if he's okay. He sends me a text descreetly saying the man on the table next to us is being abusive to his wife/partner.

I try to listen but only catch bits. He puts her down about a new job which she was excited about. Tells her she isn't ready and can't do it. He's slurring and a bit drunk. She calmly asks him if he's jealous and he says 'you can put that fucking idea to bed right now'. I can't hear well and sort of try to go back to what we are talking about but then the man throws a huge tantrum and starts refusing to pay. She ends up paying. He makes more rude comments. She politely thanks the waitress, she looks pissed off. He refuses to move. She says 'shall we go then' after a few more minutes and he just sits there, he says 'stop telling me what to do'.

She ends up going to the bathroom and my partner says maybe I should follow and ask if she's okay but the restaurant is so small it only has a single cubicle toilet so not an option. When she comes back after a few minutes he still doesn't want to move. Eventually he seems to deem this round of punishment over and allows them to leave. My partner tells me more stuff he's overheard him saying, all in a similar ilk.

I was quite shocked at this behaviour in public and my stomach turned at the thought of her having to go home with the nasty old prick. I guess this more a wwyd? Would you have said something? If so what? I'm usually quite outspoken but it didn't feel like my place and I didn't want to cause a scene in the restaurant, or make him angrier and it makes things much harder for her or even dangerous as she's got to back with him.

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groovergirl · 06/09/2024 03:58

It's a tough one. Had this myself; I was in a restaurant and the guy in the adjacent booth was shoving his crying female companion and pushing her down on the banquette. That was in 1988 and I still wish I'd intervened and taken her to join my group. (Then warned the guy about legal action if he laid a hand on me or her.)

It pisses me off that "a domestic" (as police called them when I was growing up), even in public, is not treated as seriously as an assault by one man against another. Perhaps it's time we as a MN collective devised an action guide for these situations.

Jobsharenightmare · 06/09/2024 03:52

There would have been no immediate reward for stepping in of course! The immediate visible consequences of our actions don't tell us anything about whether what we did was the right thing or not. You have to take that out of the equation. I don't recommend publicly confronting an abuser but do something privately to support the victim as that's always got to be better than turning a blind eye and giving the message it's OK to be treated like that.

I would have followed her to the toilet after a couple of minutes, waited outside fumbling around in my bag etc and then just quietly said my husband heard her husband's comments and she shouldn't be treated like that.

Totally unrealistic to expect someone to thank you as they're likely to be defensive (right then and there) and probably tell you mind your own business. BUT on the way home, when crying alone in the toilet later, or doing the school run, the validation that it is not acceptable to be spoken to like that might be enough to prompt that first call to woman's aid.

NonsuchCastle · 06/09/2024 03:27

AimieDaisy · 06/09/2024 03:21

I’ve stepped in before only to have both the man and the female ‘victim’ both turn on me, sadly

I've stepped in several times, all to no avail.

AimieDaisy · 06/09/2024 03:21

I’ve stepped in before only to have both the man and the female ‘victim’ both turn on me, sadly

dottiedodah · 06/09/2024 03:06

We were once staying at a hotel,and a woman was crying while her husband was ignoring her. I didn't know what to do.i don't think u could have done anything really. If you had said something he could have become worse. Let's hope she bins the bustard ASAP.. sounds grim

Pistachiochiochio · 06/09/2024 03:06

I would like to think I'd have followed her to the toilet and asked if she was OK/offer to pretend I was asking for sanpro or help with some makeup or something as cover for the conversation.

She might only have said she was OK but I think it helps to know other people are noticing and willing to help when she's ready.

But it's easy to be wise after the event

NonsuchCastle · 06/09/2024 02:53

Ugh, how disgusting. The urge to do something in situations like this can be strong. But I don't think there is anything you could have done. You are a stranger to this woman. Let's hope she has a friend to whom she can talk and find a way to change her life.