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To have not known what to do or say to a woman being treated like dirt by her partner in a restaurant.

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Greentea5cups · 06/09/2024 02:46

Name changed because I'll give details.

City centre, romantic restaurant it's a small place with only around 6 tables. I am in the window area at a 2 seater table with one other two seater right next to us.

Me and partner joke around a bit order food and relatively happy. I noticed he's stopped making conversation and so him if he's okay. He sends me a text descreetly saying the man on the table next to us is being abusive to his wife/partner.

I try to listen but only catch bits. He puts her down about a new job which she was excited about. Tells her she isn't ready and can't do it. He's slurring and a bit drunk. She calmly asks him if he's jealous and he says 'you can put that fucking idea to bed right now'. I can't hear well and sort of try to go back to what we are talking about but then the man throws a huge tantrum and starts refusing to pay. She ends up paying. He makes more rude comments. She politely thanks the waitress, she looks pissed off. He refuses to move. She says 'shall we go then' after a few more minutes and he just sits there, he says 'stop telling me what to do'.

She ends up going to the bathroom and my partner says maybe I should follow and ask if she's okay but the restaurant is so small it only has a single cubicle toilet so not an option. When she comes back after a few minutes he still doesn't want to move. Eventually he seems to deem this round of punishment over and allows them to leave. My partner tells me more stuff he's overheard him saying, all in a similar ilk.

I was quite shocked at this behaviour in public and my stomach turned at the thought of her having to go home with the nasty old prick. I guess this more a wwyd? Would you have said something? If so what? I'm usually quite outspoken but it didn't feel like my place and I didn't want to cause a scene in the restaurant, or make him angrier and it makes things much harder for her or even dangerous as she's got to back with him.

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HatsOffToThePigeons · 20/06/2025 17:35

Why the piss did you resurrect a zombie to give this great insight?!

JohnTheRevelator · 20/06/2025 17:28

AimieDaisy · 06/09/2024 03:21

I’ve stepped in before only to have both the man and the female ‘victim’ both turn on me, sadly

Unfortunately,this is all too common. Very odd.

Newname71 · 07/09/2024 07:44

HousesChoices · 06/09/2024 06:40

I was walking through town once, at lunchtime, busy streets, when a man started shouting at the woman he was with.

A few people noticed and looked/watched, he was being foul to her.

Then he punched her, a proper pull-back, swing of a punch, to her face.

No one did anything. The men around all hurried by, while a few of us women stood in shock - I caught the eye of another woman who had seen and we both indicated to our phones, we both called the police.

I decided not to intervene because 1) my safety 2) the victim's safety, often with abusers they'll blame their victim for the unwanted reactions

I was amazed no men got involved though. None at all came to help, so I felt like this violent man was just enabled by them.

I found myself in a similar situation a few years ago. Middle of a Saturday afternoon in the middle of town. A really big fella (he looked in his 40’s) punching hell out of a lad that looked about 17, the lads little brother was hysterical, screaming and crying. Everyone stopped and just watched including, like in your case a lot of men, it was horrendous. It made me so angry I didn’t stop to think and I got in the middle of them. Told big fella to walk away, I wasn’t going to let him carry on punching shit out of a child. . After my mum said what the bloody hell were you thinking? The truth, I didn’t think!

Thingypb · 07/09/2024 07:18

To start yes I'm male, this man use the term loosely, need to be thought some respect, by that he needs the shit kicked out of him! Probably not going to be popular but scum like him give all men a bad name,

Newnametoday5 · 06/09/2024 18:47

Only a week ago I got on a local underground train and sitting close by were a young couple and their toddler daughter. The mother looked nervous and wàs very obviously embarrassed. The horror she was with was on his phone and loudly discussing the previous nights sex session. His language was vile and in front of his child. The mother tried to tell him he was embarrassing her but he ignored that. I felt so sorry for her and god only knows what else she endured with a low life like that. One or two other passengers must have heard too. I buried my head in my newspaper but felt anger rising in me. They got off the train before me and I watched him pull his daughter along the platform while mum trailed behind. I hope that young lady finds the strength to ditch him.

leftsndrightrain · 06/09/2024 12:03

It's not something I would ever get involved in. I've been in an abusive relarionship and I know anyone intervening would not make a difference, the person has to come to that realisation by themselves. I don't think it would help and the only thing it would achieve is help the bystander feel good about themselves.

poppyzbrite4 · 06/09/2024 12:01

User135644 · 06/09/2024 11:58

She already knows he's toxic but chooses to be with him. Pointing it out will only get you an earful.

Choice is a grey area when you're in an abusive relationship.

User135644 · 06/09/2024 11:58

AimieDaisy · 06/09/2024 03:21

I’ve stepped in before only to have both the man and the female ‘victim’ both turn on me, sadly

She already knows he's toxic but chooses to be with him. Pointing it out will only get you an earful.

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 06/09/2024 11:56

I’ve also been the one having dinner with a DP who was being horrible and made me cry. Once I’d picked him up from work for lunch and I just walked out and left him there so he had to make his way back to work on his own. Maybe I was the abusive one that day?! But he was aggressive and nasty so I don't give a fuck tbh!

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 06/09/2024 11:54

I’ve stepped in when someone was manhandling his female partner. They were both quite elderly so I didn’t feel worried that he might turn on me as I could have fought him off easily but I’d have been worried if he was younger.

Also just remember saying something when I heard a dad berating his wife in front of their daughters as a festival. I told him to stop speaking to her like that, it’s disrespectful and setting a horrible example to their daughters about how a woman should be treated by her husband. She looked shocked and he told me to mind my own business. I said you’re making it by business by being such a prick in public. If you don’t want people to tell you to stop being awful to your wife, then stop being awful to your wife. I figured even if it did nothing for the wife, the kids would remember the day someone stepped in and stood up for her and them in the face of a bullying man.

housethatbuiltme · 06/09/2024 11:27

Sounds like he was drunk and embarrassed himself like a drunk person often does.

Sounds like she handled herself perfectly fine.

Sounds like they might have a pre-existing issue around the job which isn't your business (and you eavesdropped on) and will only be inflammatory if you jump into something you have no place it.

He will sober up and they will either work through it or split up... no need for a nosy white knight.

Nothing sounds 'abusive' in what you said just an argument where hes blunt and petulant because hes drunk.

Barleysugar86 · 06/09/2024 10:28

Rubyandscarlett · 06/09/2024 07:30

I remember dh and l were on holiday once and the news came through my oldest friend had died. I literally cried all day and dh was very supportive but nothing he could have said or done would have stopped me being upset. So if anyone had seen us they may have thought it was him that had made me cry or was ignoring me which would have been wrong.
So don't beat yourself up, it could have been sonething similar xx

I had a bad cold on holiday but we still needed to go out to eat, I wasn't sneezing but I had endless tears streaming down my face. I did wonder if other diners were going to think DH had done something!

Octopies · 06/09/2024 10:04

It sounds like in that scenario, realistically you could have only gone over to speak to her if he'd left the table to go to the bathroom. If they weren't being overly loud, chances are he would have got even more angry if he felt you were eavesdropping and that would have escalated things for his partner.

I've intervened in a couple of situations where the man was shouting and hitting the woman, but that's when I've been right outside my place of work or home, so felt safe doing so. In both instances I offered for the woman to come with me and we went inside and I locked the door to keep him out. Fortunately that was enough to make the man leave without any further commotion and I talked with the woman, gave her my phone number and offered to be a witness if she wanted to report it to the Police.

LlynTegid · 06/09/2024 09:49

I wonder if you could have taken a photo of your being at the restaurant with the abuser in the background, so even if not contacting the police there and then, could have done so later? Or if you overheard any evidence they have children, contacted social services instead?

Staff at a restaurant probably don't have the means to refuse the man further service, and indeed he'd probably leave without paying if they did.

Macaroni46 · 06/09/2024 09:44

YellowAsteroid · 06/09/2024 06:03

make him angrier and it makes things much harder for her or even dangerous as she's got to back with him.

That’s what would have stopped me doing anything overtly.

This, sadly.

My exH was abusive. If someone intervened publicly (which did occasionally happened), I would get 'punished' when we got home. Really escalated the situation. Weirdly someone intervening on my behalf used to make me feel worse too. I guess because it made me realise the situation was worse than I was admitting to myself.
Now I'm out the other side thank goodness. Basically the abused partner has to find the strength to leave and be ready within themselves to do so. Hopefully the lady in question has solid friends around her like I did.

carrotcard · 06/09/2024 09:23

Llttledrummergirl · 06/09/2024 08:14

Everyone is talking about the women involved being supportive. Maybe Ops partner could have told the abuser to pack it in because he was being out of order. He heard what was being said.

Exactly. If he could hear it why didn't he do something?

PaminaMozart · 06/09/2024 09:22

Unless the abuse or aggression is physical, intervening is probably rarely a good idea. And if it, one has to be aware of potential risks to one's own safety.

As onlookers, it can be difficult to assess what is really going on, and whether the victim needs or would welcome support.

In the OP's situation, the only thing she really could have done is follow her to the restroom and perhaps told her "I couldn't help overhearing - if you think you might need help, call Women's Aid...... take care".

Mumofoneandone · 06/09/2024 09:20

Westfacing · 06/09/2024 09:08

Not sure that you can take it to the police

A man behaving like an arse in a restaurant by saying nasty things, not paying, refusing to budge, etc is nowhere near a matter for the police!

I agree about your comment but the OPs description sounds like it was way more than your dismissive comment.
Also the fact that the female commented about other half being abusive......

SallyWD · 06/09/2024 09:18

TheCadoganArms · 06/09/2024 09:10

I was amazed no men got involved though. None at all came to help, so I felt like this violent man was just enabled by them.

Most men like to think they are Jason Bourne and can handle themselves but deep down they know when it comes to proper physical violence they are woefully out of shape and unprepared to deal with a very angry man wanting to beat shit out of you. If you 'get involved' in a random situation you have to be prepared to see it through, i.e. the person pinned on the ground while you wait for the police. Unless you know what you are doing that is probably going to involve you ending up with a fat lip, bloody nose and ruined clothes and if you are really unlucky a trip to the police station on assault charges.

I was beaten up three times as a teenager by random strangers. That's the kind of place I grew up in! Each time a man intervened. So men often do help, but yes, sometimes they're just too scared.

Ozanj · 06/09/2024 09:16

I remember in Milton Keynes watching an abusive man shout at his wife in a morrisons, walk away, and shout at her again because apparently she ‘should have known’ what was in the house and shouldn’t need his help. I asked the woman if she was okay and she was so embarrassed - explained he’d lost his job and was at home but still expected her to do everything despite working full time and she brought him there to ‘teach him’ how to grocery shop. It was so sad

TheCadoganArms · 06/09/2024 09:10

I was amazed no men got involved though. None at all came to help, so I felt like this violent man was just enabled by them.

Most men like to think they are Jason Bourne and can handle themselves but deep down they know when it comes to proper physical violence they are woefully out of shape and unprepared to deal with a very angry man wanting to beat shit out of you. If you 'get involved' in a random situation you have to be prepared to see it through, i.e. the person pinned on the ground while you wait for the police. Unless you know what you are doing that is probably going to involve you ending up with a fat lip, bloody nose and ruined clothes and if you are really unlucky a trip to the police station on assault charges.

Greentea5cups · 06/09/2024 09:10

Zeeze · 06/09/2024 06:34

Having been the woman in a similar situation (a long time ago), I don’t think there was anything you could realistically have done. You couldn’t be alone with her. She must have been aware that other people were witnessing the scene and that made her feel worse.

She knows she is with an abusive POS. Possibly an alcoholic (behaviour sounds very familiar). For whatever reason she couldn’t just leave the restaurant or the relationship. Let’s hope she has the support network to leave.

She is whisper 'youre being abusive' at one point and he scoffed at her :(

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Greentea5cups · 06/09/2024 09:09

PortiasBiscuit · 06/09/2024 06:19

Why do you think she was necessarily not handling it? Just because he’s a bully doesn’t necessarily make her a victim. She might absolutely have his measure and be dumping him in the car park 10 minutes later.
Maybe she’s a strong capable woman who can absolutely handle her wanker of a partner. Why does she have to be a victim just because she’s female?

The context of the conversation implied they had been together for many years, he was telling her she was shit at her current job, and that he wasn't happy when she yook that position, wasn't ready for her new job and then mentioned previous roles before that.

I can't imagine this many was any more pleasant when he was at home.

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Westfacing · 06/09/2024 09:08

Mumofoneandone · 06/09/2024 08:36

So hard to witness this and be paralysed about our actions.
My only thought was to write down as much about the account as you can. Place, time, date and what you overheard/witnessed. Also descriptions of the 2 people.
Not sure that you can take it to the police but it is there if needed in the future.......

Not sure that you can take it to the police

A man behaving like an arse in a restaurant by saying nasty things, not paying, refusing to budge, etc is nowhere near a matter for the police!

thepresureofausername · 06/09/2024 09:01

For a crime in progress you call 999 and report it to the police. And yes emotional abuse is a crime. They might do nothing or they might send someone to have a word and it might be a turning point.