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School not letting my child from the school

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Kutika · 05/09/2024 15:59

I have read numerous discussions where people mention that schools cannot legally prevent a child from leaving, yet I find myself in this exact situation. The school is refusing to allow my child to leave, despite my clear instructions. I've sent an email, filed a complaint with the trust, and even contacted the police, but to my surprise, none of these actions have resolved the issue. I was told by the head teacher that the law does not apply to them. Any ideas on who to contact?

OP posts:
InWalksBarberalla · 06/09/2024 23:35

Curious do these schools with policies about when they allow children to walk home independently from school also have policies about when children can walk to school independently?

ClockwiseHoneysuckle · 06/09/2024 23:02

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 05/09/2024 18:29

@ClockwiseHoneysuckle because then parents start to ask for leniency. Like it or lump it.

Easy enough to deal with that if the school has a defined rule in place. They can just say no to parents asking for "leniency".

penelopelady · 06/09/2024 22:58

OakTree16 · 05/09/2024 17:31

School is not childcare.

Yes it is, while they are in school the school is de facto caring.

However, this parent doesn't want the school to provide care she wants them to allow her child to walk home after the school day has finished so your statement is doubly wrong.

InWalksBarberalla · 06/09/2024 22:53

ChampagneLassie · 06/09/2024 13:45

I think you’re delusional in thinking this is a legal matter. It’s clearly their policy, designed to safeguard children, no state schools don’t have resources to make case by case assessments. If DH is on a call and your daughter doesn’t arrive when will he realise? 300m is still plenty distance for something to happen. I live in a very nice area, and a neighbours 10 yr old was almost snatched by some men in a car. She was certainly nearer than 300m from home.

The risk of a child being abducted is significantly less than the risk of them being killed in a car accident.

The children most at risk of being harmed on the way home from school are those driven home regularly. So if a school implements a safeguarding policy to not allow any parent to drive their child home we'd all be fine with that I'd assume.

thing47 · 06/09/2024 22:34

Absolute nonsense @birdingbear of course parents still have rights when their children are in school. Schools are not exempt from the law of the landf. In any case the child in question isnt in school, theyre at an After School Club - the clue is in the name. The After School Club is outside school hours and has no right to detain a child whose parents have not requested nor consented to the childs attendance.

ZiriForGood · 06/09/2024 22:15

Birdingbear · 06/09/2024 20:59

The school is allowed their own policy. They can change it to year 6 if they want. Stop being lazy and wall the 300 yards and get your child.
And the school is right. You have no rights once your kid is in school, you can't just think they are allowed to walk oit when they want ot because you say so.

"You have no rights once your kid is in school" Wow, just wow. That's a radical idea.

GabriellaMontez · 06/09/2024 22:09

zeibesaffron · 06/09/2024 21:32

There are many instances where we let schools know about potential safeguarding dangers which are not publicly disclosed to parents and carers, which have the potential to cause distress or harm.

No there aren't.

If there is a danger locally, the school/police inform parents. It would be relevant to all children walking to or from school.

ZiriForGood · 06/09/2024 21:56

zeibesaffron · 06/09/2024 21:32

There are many instances where we let schools know about potential safeguarding dangers which are not publicly disclosed to parents and carers, which have the potential to cause distress or harm.

This child walks to school alone and the school doesn't have any objections to that.
If there were specific dangers making walking home alone unadvisable, wouldn't parents be informed so they could re-evaluate the way to school?

Reugny · 06/09/2024 21:55

zeibesaffron · 06/09/2024 21:32

There are many instances where we let schools know about potential safeguarding dangers which are not publicly disclosed to parents and carers, which have the potential to cause distress or harm.

Which is why the school should be happy to report the OP to SS and even the police so they can share their concerns with them plus get additional back up on their stance.

Btw due to the people I know who work and have worked in schools I know school heads can overstep and under step when it comes to safeguarding. It should not take a member of staff who due to their voluntary position elsewhere having to remind the head that they have a legal duty to report that schools actions/inactions if they don't follow their legal duties.

zeibesaffron · 06/09/2024 21:32

GabriellaMontez · 06/09/2024 13:11

If the school has a safeguarding concerns, they must report it and inform the op.

If the school has info about an external threat eg a stranger tried to abduct a child, they'd be alerting parents. As would the police.

So what exactly do you mean by safeguarding issues? Other than using the term 'safeguarding' to excuse their behaviour, whilst ignoring well established safeguarding procedures.

There are many instances where we let schools know about potential safeguarding dangers which are not publicly disclosed to parents and carers, which have the potential to cause distress or harm.

wombat15 · 06/09/2024 21:25

Birdingbear · 06/09/2024 20:59

The school is allowed their own policy. They can change it to year 6 if they want. Stop being lazy and wall the 300 yards and get your child.
And the school is right. You have no rights once your kid is in school, you can't just think they are allowed to walk oit when they want ot because you say so.

They are allowed to leave at the end of the school day. If the school have safe guarding concerns they should inform the police or social services and follow their advice.

wombat15 · 06/09/2024 21:20

Birdingbear · 06/09/2024 20:59

The school is allowed their own policy. They can change it to year 6 if they want. Stop being lazy and wall the 300 yards and get your child.
And the school is right. You have no rights once your kid is in school, you can't just think they are allowed to walk oit when they want ot because you say so.

OP isn't being lazy. She is working. I did the same thing and while Dd went to after school club until year 5, she was so happy when i said she didn't have to go anymore and could walk home.

Walkden · 06/09/2024 21:15

"If they can't provide a specific concern, then SS will tell them that absent such evidence, they should allow the child to walk"

We can all wait for the OP's update then to find out what action SS take......

Brickiscool · 06/09/2024 21:12

Are you friends with any parent in the same class?

My child used to be met out the classroom by another mum to keep school happy. Then would leave her and walk to my place of work on her own. Easy solution. Everyone happy.

thing47 · 06/09/2024 21:11

The default position is to adhere to parents wishes unless of course there are safeguarding concerns.

Agreed. But those safeguarding concerns have to be detailed and relevant to this particular child. They can't just say 'we have safeguarding concerns' or 'those are our rules'. If SS get involved, the school's HT will be asked what those safeguarding concerns are. If they can't provide a specific concern, then SS will tell them that absent such evidence, they should allow the child to walk.

LaerealSilverhand · 06/09/2024 21:00

jannier · 05/09/2024 21:25

Did you miss I've been collecting children from several different schools over my time as a childminder and all have been handed to an adult including any year 6 if they haven't had permission....permission can be given from summer term year 5 for children leaving at 3 any staying to clubs ending at 4.15 must be collected.
If I go for a 10 year old on a day I don't normally get them it's even questioned.
We regularly get notices saying children have been approached

Sounds like an awful place to bring up children if schools feel the need to take these precautions. I’m glad my children have freedom.

Birdingbear · 06/09/2024 20:59

The school is allowed their own policy. They can change it to year 6 if they want. Stop being lazy and wall the 300 yards and get your child.
And the school is right. You have no rights once your kid is in school, you can't just think they are allowed to walk oit when they want ot because you say so.

Walkden · 06/09/2024 20:57

"The school's policies are neither here not there, frankly"

Right going around in circles here again.

The default position is to adhere to parents wishes unless of course there are safeguarding concerns.

Most posters admit that a parent who wished for a 4 year old to walk home alone would not be adhered to ( for obvious safeguarding reasons)

They disagree in this case because of the age of the child and it seems to me that the school is not adhering to the wishes here either ( but for less obvious reasons)

LaerealSilverhand · 06/09/2024 20:55

Isthisit22 · 05/09/2024 21:43

‘lawful’ 🙄
They are not ‘withholding’ her child. They are making her child available for collection by a suitable adult as per their rules.
As I said before, if she doesn’t like their rules she’s free to choose a different school.

You don’t seem to understand what lawful means. That’s fine, we have courts to sort that out so you don’t need to worry about it.

thing47 · 06/09/2024 20:50

Walkden · 06/09/2024 19:49

"unless they have a specific reason for thinking it would be less safe for this child to walk 300 meters to their parent's house"

Which they evidently do as it is incorporated into their policy, with some justification I expect.

I don't think SS are in the habit of overruling schools policies on collecting children, but should be interested in parents who think it's too inconvenient to make arrangements for collecting their child from 300m away....

You've got this the wrong way round @Walkden, it's on the school to prove they have a good reason for thinking it is unsafe for this particular child to be allowed to walk home. The onus is not on the OP to prove it IS safe because the default position (as far as SS are concerned) will be to adhere to the parents' wishes vis-a-vis the child being allowed to walk. This is precisely why the OP said in an earlier post that she welcomes the involvement of SS.

The school's policies are neither here not there, frankly.

Walkden · 06/09/2024 20:33

"Many parents think that is okay as evidenced by the fact that many 9 year olds are allowed to walk home from school by themselves/with friends."

Maybe so but these posters apparently don't work at this school and can't advise why they has different rules which many think are overzealous but probably wasn't put in place for shits and giggles...

Walkden · 06/09/2024 20:30

"How do you know it is incorporated into the policy.?!"

Secondary evidence admittedly but

The OP said they only allow year 5 to walk home unsupervised from April

It was also in a booklet she got sent when her child started.

I'm inclined to think the op overlooked the policy document on the school website while she was hysterically calling the police about her child being kidnapped and posting her outrage on Mumsnet.

JohnofWessex · 06/09/2024 20:28

In the good old days of course County could have a quiet word with the head but these days there is no proper oversight of schools

wombat15 · 06/09/2024 20:25

Walkden · 06/09/2024 19:49

"unless they have a specific reason for thinking it would be less safe for this child to walk 300 meters to their parent's house"

Which they evidently do as it is incorporated into their policy, with some justification I expect.

I don't think SS are in the habit of overruling schools policies on collecting children, but should be interested in parents who think it's too inconvenient to make arrangements for collecting their child from 300m away....

How do you know it is incorporated into the policy.?! According to OP, they haven't got a written policy and given this is a blanket rule they likely don't have a reason for thinking it is less safe for OP's child than any other 9 year old.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say SS are not in the habit of "overruling school policies" Do you mean that they won't advice on whether something is a safeguarding issue if the school phones. I very much doubt they will be the slightest bit interested in the fact that a parent thinks it's OK for their child to walk 300 meters home from school by themselves. Many parents think that is okay as evidenced by the fact that many 9 year olds are allowed to walk home from school by themselves/with friends.

Walkden · 06/09/2024 19:55

". A school does not need a blanket rule to say a child cannot walk home alone in Reception/Y1"

And yet many posters on this thread have said their school lets kids walk home from say year 3 so it seems most do have a blanket rule of some description...