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School not letting my child from the school

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Kutika · 05/09/2024 15:59

I have read numerous discussions where people mention that schools cannot legally prevent a child from leaving, yet I find myself in this exact situation. The school is refusing to allow my child to leave, despite my clear instructions. I've sent an email, filed a complaint with the trust, and even contacted the police, but to my surprise, none of these actions have resolved the issue. I was told by the head teacher that the law does not apply to them. Any ideas on who to contact?

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DelilahRay · 05/09/2024 18:18

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Matthew54 · 05/09/2024 18:17

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You are fantasizing. This is about something simple - the right of a child to walk home, which she will be able to do in the spring. This is an arbitrary rule.

Fluufer · 05/09/2024 18:16

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Questioning the rules doesn't mean wilful disobedience for the sake of it.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 05/09/2024 18:15

English schools are just mad.

ineedsomemoremetime · 05/09/2024 18:15

Kutika · 05/09/2024 17:32

This is what I am talking about. How they can do this?

I escalated to the Trust who agreed it was ridiculous. The school backtracked but for my child only it seems. They are actively saying to the other y6 kids that it is not safe for them to walk home alone. These children are 10 with many turning 11 this autumn.

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Alicenwonderland · 05/09/2024 18:15

I'm on the fence on this one. My dd's school has a policy that year 5 and 6 children can walk home alone with parental permission. Do they believe that there will be no one home? Has your child told them there's no one home when she arrives? It doesn't seem too much for your husband to pick her up if it's that close, even at work you're allowed a break. Perhaps the school are aware of a paedophile living nearby? It does seem a strange rule. I'm all for independence and children walking home alone (my elder two did in year 5 and 6, live too far away now and dd has SEND).

Matthew54 · 05/09/2024 18:14

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That’s a little much. This rule is silly and it’s unclear to me why they call walk in April and not now.

Fluufer · 05/09/2024 18:14

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Or a child who will develop independent thought and critical thinking skills. Blind obedience is not a trait I value personally.

DelilahRay · 05/09/2024 18:13

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Abouttimeforanamechange · 05/09/2024 18:13

Where does that end though? If they do it for OP they’ll have to allow everyone, whether they’re 300 yards or 3 miles away, and parents there or not. God forbid the school try to keep kids safe eh, how awful!

So what hapens in April, when the school say she will be allowed to walk home? Will they then have to allow everyone, whether they're 300 yards or 3 miles away?

Matthew54 · 05/09/2024 18:12

This is clearly a cultural difference. Where I’m from kids regularly cycle and walk to/from school unattended. It’s simply not a big deal. I am astounded by the schools approach to this.

ZiriForGood · 05/09/2024 18:12

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Ok, it wouldn't be safe for some children to go alone. So someone picks them up or they use the after-school club. No big deal.

I kind of understand school has a general preference. The insane part is that the school feels entitled to ignore written instructions from parents. If the school doesn't like the instructions, they can call SS, but otherwise their duty is to release the child, not to take it as a hostage.

Kutika · 05/09/2024 18:12

berksandbeyond · 05/09/2024 18:01

Where does that end though? If they do it for OP they’ll have to allow everyone, whether they’re 300 yards or 3 miles away, and parents there or not. God forbid the school try to keep kids safe eh, how awful!

One rule doesn’t fit all. Someone mentioned risk assessments, safeguarding, etc., and that’s exactly the issue we're forced to follow the same rules, whether they’re right or wrong. It’s ironic how the laws meant to protect our rights and uphold democracy don’t seem to apply in this situation.

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BrendaSmall · 05/09/2024 18:10

Kutika · 05/09/2024 17:46

2 min I would say. This is not the case with collecting. How come the school can dictate when the child can walk to and from school?

Because the school has got a duty of care towards your child!
A majority of schools around where I live only slow children to walk home along in the last term of year 6!

flooachoo · 05/09/2024 18:10

I agree that whilst you fight this is there a parent who would "collect" your child and walk them in the same direction as your house? I have often collected my friend's children, she can make it home but cannot make it to school for pick up, the 15 minute walk means she gets chance to get home. Not all jobs you can walk out on at precisely 2.45pm. Meetings and calls run over. She would ring the school office and they would release her child to me.

Schools if they have concerns contact social services, they do not do what OP's school has done. There is a safeguarding policy (a cut down version is on the school website) if you are in school and have done safeguarding training then there is a more detailed who it gets reported to and where it goes from there. Schools can only detain and override parents in only the most extreme circumstances.

SilenceInside · 05/09/2024 18:09

Of course people are exactly who they said they are online...

itsgettingweird · 05/09/2024 18:08

Could people please read Takwonko post. Who actually knows what she's talking about - rather than stating incorrect facts just to say the OP is wrong.

itsgettingweird · 05/09/2024 18:07

muggart · 05/09/2024 18:02

How did it happen that the schools feel entitled to invent rules like that?

Indeed.

And how did it happen that so many mothers seem to think that schools should have more say than parents when it comes to fairly basic parenting decisions?

Quite.

And even more so how do MNers think they have more knowledge than the senior leader and safeguarding lead who has said the school can't do this?

And she won't even be alone as every other person will be wandering down the street - school kick out t8me is hardly quiet!

NerrSnerr · 05/09/2024 18:06

Although I do think she should be able to walk home (my year 6 daughter walked home through year 5), I don't think it's fair that your daughter has to worry every day about whether she'll come home, go to after school club etc. I'd pick her up/ pay for ASC and have the battle without involving your daughter.

DelilahRay · 05/09/2024 18:06

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XiCi · 05/09/2024 18:06

Who exactly is at home OP? Can you confirm? Because I cannot understand any situation where one of you WFH could not nip out for 2 minutes

Bikechic · 05/09/2024 18:05

While the school are being totally rediculous, I would ask another parent if they would collect from the classroom and send child on their way.

Takoneko · 05/09/2024 18:03

Heronwatcher · 05/09/2024 17:51

How come the school can dictate when the child can walk to and from school?

Because these are things which are perfectly properly within the remit of the headteacher, potentially acting alongside the governors and the SLT to decide.

Headteachers quite literally make thousands of similar decisions daily about what time school starts, when breaks take place, which classrooms to use, uniform, school dinners, trips, disciplinary procedures, exclusions etc. Some of these things have legal parameters within which the head/ governors have to work but most have a high degree of discretion which the head is able to perfectly lawfully exercise.

(Incidentally I don’t think the rules on when kids can walk home on their own are ones which require governor input as it’s an operational matter).

This is not one of those things that falls within the school’s remit.

I’m a safeguarding lead and it is made very clear to us that we have no legal power to detain students for safeguarding or even child protection reasons. Children’s services don’t even have that power. Only a court can override parental responsibility, or in an emergency the police can issue a protection order that only lasts 72 hours. The threshold for that would be very high and this wouldn’t come close to meeting it. The school are on a power trip and need to get back in their box.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 05/09/2024 18:03

Heronwatcher · 05/09/2024 18:01

What about if I decided one day that my child didn’t need to attend registration because it’s pointless, could pop out to the chippy at lunch on their own, didn’t need to wear uniform, could refer to all the teachers as “bruv” etc. Totally agree parents should challenge school rules they think are wrong but do it properly (via parent/ teacher forums, governors, emails, discussions) don’t just decide to do your own thing without notice and then call the police when the school stick to their policies.

She didn't. Her DH had a meeting with the head yesterday.