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About boyfriend visiting a quaker house?

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Celia24 · 05/09/2024 06:24

We've been together for a year. When we met and religion came up I told him I was atheist and asked his views he said he was agnostic but didn't actively believe or practice.

Last week, the topic came up again casually and he suggested he was spiritual although didn't fully commit to saying he believed in God. He also said he didn't really agree with atheism as it was too severe.

Then while in London this week he visited a quaker house in an amazing building he came across! He joked he didn't know they even still existed and mentioned 'you'd have no need for one as an atheist'.

I'll be honest, he has never told me if he was religious in any way and I feel a bit annoyed by this. I want to have children and I don't want to raise them in a faith because that isnt my belief though I respect others.

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Thalia31 · 10/09/2024 03:36

Celia24 · 05/09/2024 06:24

We've been together for a year. When we met and religion came up I told him I was atheist and asked his views he said he was agnostic but didn't actively believe or practice.

Last week, the topic came up again casually and he suggested he was spiritual although didn't fully commit to saying he believed in God. He also said he didn't really agree with atheism as it was too severe.

Then while in London this week he visited a quaker house in an amazing building he came across! He joked he didn't know they even still existed and mentioned 'you'd have no need for one as an atheist'.

I'll be honest, he has never told me if he was religious in any way and I feel a bit annoyed by this. I want to have children and I don't want to raise them in a faith because that isnt my belief though I respect others.

You sound slightly nuts op

T1Dmama · 08/09/2024 01:54

Celia24 · 05/09/2024 06:40

@Galoop it seemed like he visited in a tourist way as he joked he didn't know they even existed anymore

But spending time in one rather than going to a cafe or pub isn't something he'd do usually.

I think the main point here is I wouldn't want future children to have a faith. That is the main concern with this and his opinion on atheists which he never shared before - presumably because he didn't want to put me off.

Why not?
xhikdren learn about the meaning of Christmas and Easter at school, they do the nativity play in infants every Christmas. RE is compulsory in most U.K. schools.

I don’t consider myself religious but do want my daughter to have the option to explore all religions and make her own decision. I’ve never put my views onto her, simply because being religious isn’t a bad thing, being an atheists isn’t bad either… BUT it should be a child’s choice and in order to have informed choice they should be allowed to explore….

My DD went to church at Christmas time and does RE at school…. For a few years now she’s expressed that she doesn’t believe in God and that was a conclusion she made by herself.

I think when you have children with someone you have to compromise and allow some of their beliefs to be part of your child’s life…. Your children can be bought up in a faith while still not being forced to take on that faith…. As long as at every step the child is allowed to say ‘I don’t want to go anymore’…. Then I don’t see the issue.

What does annoy me though is when certain religions knock your door or come up to you while you’re walking round town trying to ‘recruit’ you into their cult… annoys the hell out of me! I respect their belief and I just want my beliefs or lack there of to be respected too!

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 07/09/2024 19:00

You say he'd usually go to a cafe or pub.

You know that the big Quaker Meeting House on Euston Road (right opposite the station) contains a cafe? (and non-religious bookshop, and the rest of the building is run as a conference centre). Loads of people go there to eat, or attend events, without having anything to do with Quakerism at all....

Curtainseeker · 07/09/2024 18:27

Celia24 · 05/09/2024 06:24

We've been together for a year. When we met and religion came up I told him I was atheist and asked his views he said he was agnostic but didn't actively believe or practice.

Last week, the topic came up again casually and he suggested he was spiritual although didn't fully commit to saying he believed in God. He also said he didn't really agree with atheism as it was too severe.

Then while in London this week he visited a quaker house in an amazing building he came across! He joked he didn't know they even still existed and mentioned 'you'd have no need for one as an atheist'.

I'll be honest, he has never told me if he was religious in any way and I feel a bit annoyed by this. I want to have children and I don't want to raise them in a faith because that isnt my belief though I respect others.

Surely you wouldn’t want to raise your children as atheist? You’d raise them to have awareness of different faiths and make their own minds up?

Thefsm · 07/09/2024 01:56

I always felt it was far safer and healthier to raise my kids to know about all the main religions and experience going to their various places of worship while kids - otherwise you risk them becoming one of those obnoxious folks who find god at university and make it their life’s work to preach to all their family and friends. Kids love to rebel against their parents.

anyway you have no reason to be pissed off at him, it’s a non issue. He probably just meant he didn’t invite you as didn’t think you’d be interested. I hardly think one trip to a religious building means he’s a convert

Bakingbread · 06/09/2024 23:38

Talk to him not to us....

Bruisername · 06/09/2024 21:32

I’m an atheist and I’m not anti religion. I don’t give it a thought to be honest

Edda09 · 06/09/2024 21:30

Celia24 · 05/09/2024 07:17

I am an atheist. I was raised by atheists going back to my great grandparents, unusually. Him being critical of me made me feel he isn't being kind or tolerant about my upbringing.

That doesn't mean I am closed off completely to the idea something is out there. I don't have all the answers even though I don't believe in God.

I’d say you’re more agnostic, then? I’ve always seen atheists as ‘anti’ religion (hence I could also have made the ‘severe’ comment), whereas agnostics don’t know, and sometimes aren’t interested either.

Kjpt140v · 06/09/2024 20:59

Celia24 · 05/09/2024 06:40

@Galoop it seemed like he visited in a tourist way as he joked he didn't know they even existed anymore

But spending time in one rather than going to a cafe or pub isn't something he'd do usually.

I think the main point here is I wouldn't want future children to have a faith. That is the main concern with this and his opinion on atheists which he never shared before - presumably because he didn't want to put me off.

Children will decide for themselves. As you are obviously obsessive about the subject, I think that it would better not to have children than have them and make their life hell.
What would you do if your nine year old decided there was a God? What will you do about children receiving religious education?
What will you do when schools celebrate religious festivities?

If I was that young man, I'd escape from your controlling ways immediately.

TeaGinandFags · 06/09/2024 20:38

Ok. He made a snarky comment.

Does it have friends or is it on its own?

Have a chat in a quiet moment and see what else he has to say. Maybe it was misjudged or there was something else behind it.

If he's getting religion the best people to talk to are your local Quakers. As a rule they're friendly and accepting folk who tend not to use thumbscrews on others. At least, not on the first visit. 😂

RedHelenB · 06/09/2024 20:27

SoMauveMonty · 06/09/2024 19:26

I know - i was responding to a comment that Quakers are Christians. Not all of them are, whether attenders or members.

But it is a Christian denomination based on George Fox disagreeing with the way Cof E was conducted. Individuals might not be but the faith is based on belief in a Christian God

Tuskanini · 06/09/2024 20:27

@Celia24 It sounds to me that you're rather over-frightened at the idea of anyone close to you having a faith. Are you a particularly fervent atheist? I'm picturing a conversation where you stated your position strongly, he replied with 'Well, I'm not THAT opposed to religion!'

Anyway, Quakers aren't aligned with any particular religion. Along with the commonplace vague 'C of E for weddings and funerals' it's pretty non-threatening.

Lyraloo · 06/09/2024 20:23

Loopytiles · 05/09/2024 06:36

He was clear that he possibly has some religious beliefs. The visit to a building of a religion is by the by. I wouldn’t, however, want to date someone who considered atheism ‘severe’ unless they didn’t mind me being open with any future DC about atheism and didn’t want to seek for DC to ‘have a faith’

So it would be your way or the highway. Don’t you understand that children are the joint responsibility of their parents, God help the father of your children if he doesn’t agree with everything you think is the right way to raise them!

EdithBacon · 06/09/2024 19:59

I think the main point here is I wouldn't want future children to have a faith.

It isn’t your decision, though.

Sure, you can try and control what information your future children have access to, and try to prevent them from learning about anything you don’t approve of. But when they are older whether they choose to follow a faith and, if so, which one, is entirely their own choice.

As a parent it is your job to nourish, nurture and educate, so that as adults your children are informed, independent, critical thinkers who feel empowered to live their lives however they choose.

Agathamarple · 06/09/2024 19:49

ErrolTheDragon · 06/09/2024 19:19

You've don't seem to have read the OPs posts beyond the first, @Agathamarple

I have. I was commenting on op’s comment of “I wouldn’t want future children to have faith.”
Kids don’t follow a straight route of what parents want as I mentioned in my response.

SoMauveMonty · 06/09/2024 19:26

RedHelenB · 05/09/2024 22:37

Agnostics can attend any church. So can atheists.

I know - i was responding to a comment that Quakers are Christians. Not all of them are, whether attenders or members.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/09/2024 19:19

You've don't seem to have read the OPs posts beyond the first, @Agathamarple

NellieJean · 06/09/2024 19:17

If I was him I’d run a mile.

Agathamarple · 06/09/2024 18:57

Celia24 · 05/09/2024 06:40

@Galoop it seemed like he visited in a tourist way as he joked he didn't know they even existed anymore

But spending time in one rather than going to a cafe or pub isn't something he'd do usually.

I think the main point here is I wouldn't want future children to have a faith. That is the main concern with this and his opinion on atheists which he never shared before - presumably because he didn't want to put me off.

You can actively raise your children to not have faith and they may find one and decide they want religion in their lives. What happens then? I think if you have such rigid views and such a closed mind you will end up having a lot of disappointment in your future.
I know people who grew up in religious households and have zero faith. I know people that grew up in zero faith households that converted to a religion.
I know people that grew up in faith households that moved away from that faith for years and then went back to it.
my point is that faith is a very personal thing and to be too rigid isn’t always the best route.
Just because he has some spiritual beliefs and visited a Quaker house doesn’t mean you will have to raise your children in that or any other faith. They’ll be exposed to religion outside of the home and will make their own minds up.

marcusian · 06/09/2024 18:51

Being an atheist is actually an act of faith. Its saying there is definitely no god, as opposed to someone who says there definitely is a god. Neither is provable. Life is hard. So whatever it takes to get through, including religions based on the principle of do no harm, is OK with me.

Seems a bit excessive to insist on what he must believe in. If you do make it a dealbreaker, sounds like a lucky escape for him.

The worst kinds of behaviour are usually intolerance and lack of kindness. I'm more interested in a partner's values, behaviours and moral compass, than their stated religion.

Btw Children will grow up and make their own decisions on what to believe in...unless you join a cult.

Nanny0gg · 06/09/2024 18:48

Celia24 · 05/09/2024 06:32

Yes @araiwa but it's the fact we just had the conversation and he said 'you'd have no need for one as an atheist' in a way to suggest he now does

Despite not setting foot in one ever

Do you know anything about the Quaker faith?

It's the least 'pushy' faith there is

croydon15 · 06/09/2024 18:44

Choochoo21 · 05/09/2024 07:47

Him being critical of me made me feel he isn't being kind or tolerant about my upbringing.

🙄🙄 Absolutely ridiculous.

I think you need to sort your issues with religion out (and grow up) before even considering having children.

You are not emotionally ready to be living with a partner or thinking about children right now.

Raising a child to be an atheist is raising them to believe that a God doesn’t exist, which is your choice but I don’t think it’s a fair one.

Raising a child agnostic is raising them to believe there may or may not be a God, and it’s for them to decide as they get older.

This

MissMoneyFairy · 06/09/2024 18:41

Was it The Meeting house opposite Euston Station which is a lovely old building with two outside cafes and delicious wholefoods, it's very interesting to look around and sit in the peaceful courtyards,

Coffeemaniac · 06/09/2024 18:36

I’m a Quaker too, and the actual Meeting House has very little to do with the faith. Quakers would meet in markets and each other’s homes in the early days.

pineapplesundae · 06/09/2024 18:33

Then leave him alone and find yourself an atheist. You sound a bit controlling.

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