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Notsurehowtoprocessthis · 04/09/2024 21:49

I've come away with a friend and our children and she's been struggling since before we got here.

Tonight my daughter got really tired and had a screaming meltdown after my friend's daughter hurt herself and my daughter saw the blood and couldnt cope and it sent her into an epic meltdown. My friend has got it into her head that my daughter was being out of order for screaming when her daughter had hurt herself and couldn't understand that my daughter literally just can't cope with things like that due to her autism. She kept coming over trying to tell my daughter off for screaming and saying to me it was out of order (my DD is 5) and I said just leave it she's having a meltdown. I kept repeating that she's having a meltdown and there's nothing anyone can do to calm her until she's calm, so she's gone back to the room and text me that she can't be here and she's booked something else and leaving in the morning.

Which is fine. İf she doesn't want to be around us, I can't fault her for that. Only I booked and paid for the accomodation and she was paying for the transport. She drove us here and I don't drive. I don't even have a suitcase for my stuff as I just threw it in a supermarket bag for life and a large shoulder bag and put it in the car for convenience, as well as a couple of blankets and a pillow. I'll have to try and ask the staff if they can help me sort out a suitcase. We are in the countryside on a Eurocamp and there's a train station but I doubt it would take us anywhere nearby easy to get to with a suitcase shop and my daughter doesn't walk far due to her autism.

There hasn't been any issues with my daughter. She's well behaved. She has her moments like all kids with not listening sometimes and asking for sweets constantly, but no different from her friend. There's been no drama, everything has been fine all holiday between us all. She hasn't had a meltdown for weeks because it's been summer holidays and life has been much calmer. My friend hasn't been sleeping though and struggling with her daughter between the two of them, some kind of discomnectand it seems like she's just taken this as her personal last straw and wants to be alone. Which is fine. İf she can't cope with other people right now that's not something I'd hold against anyone. They didn't have to be around us for the meltdown, we were outdoors in a public area with loads of different things to do, and I've done my own thing all afternoon as we wanted to do different things, so there hasn't been any animosity building up. İn fact, me and my dd had only been back for about ten minutes at the campsite from our day out when this all erupted. My daughter has meltdowns, that's just autism unfortunately, but no one was forced to be around us, we weren't at the room when it happened and it's the only one in weeks and weeks. I've warned my friend loads of times about the autism. We all went on a group holiday before and shared a glamping pod and everything was fine, so I don't know where this has come from.

Anyway sorry for the long post, just trying to process it all. Through the accomodation booking I booked a heavily discounted ferry crossing. Would I be out of order to cancel it and book myself and DD discounted foot passenger tickets. İt's the cheapest way for me to get home. I've already paid the accomodation and my friend was meant to be paying the travel. I can only get the discount once so I'd have to cancel the ferry we were booked on, in order to use the discount for myself. I'm already going to have to pay for really expensive last minute trains all the way here in France and UK and a taxi from the station and it's going to be a much harder and longer journey and there's less ferries per day which take foot passengers.

The other thing is, is that my friend was really keen for us to do Disney on this holiday for a day. I went along with it to be a good friend, even though it's a big extra expense on what was supposed to be a cheap holiday, and she wanted to tell the children before we had booked it. Anyway I was only able to go as she gets DLA for her child so booked queue jump for us via her DLA. I can't take my DD now as she can't cope with queues and her DLA hasn't been processed yet. My friend did a big surprise thing with getting them to scratch scratch cards to see where they're going even after I said let's tell them when we are on the way, because I didn't want to make promises which might not be kept, knowing how tired everyone gets on holiday. Now I have to tell my dd that her friend is leaving early and we can't go to Disney now either.

Sorry for the long post I just don't want people to jump in and say maybe your dd is being worse than you think, and i wanted to properly explain the autism and how much I've been on my dd's emotions to make sure there hasn't been any outbursts.

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schloss · 05/09/2024 10:32

2 sides to every story, there is only 1 here. Whatever was said by 2 adults has resulted in the actions taken by your friend. She may or may not be justified in changing to a hotel but until her side of the story is heard it is difficult to say if any of the drama is justified on either side.

There are 2 children involved, the adults should be able to behave as adults and calmly discuss what is the best way forward. Whether the firendship survives at this point is almost irrelevant.

If you do not wish to try and mend the situation, then I suggest you stay and enjoy the remainder of your holiday whilst also organising a way to get home, or go home straight away. Either way you need to speak to your friend to see if she plans to travel home with you and your daughter and make plans dependant on the answer.

It sounds like you do not wish to take any blame in what has happened - I would suggest you think as to if you should apologise and try to sort out the situation.

"Hi friend, we probably both said and did things yesterday which we may be regretting now. Maybe being in a small caravan for the duration of the holiday with 2 young children, with hindsight was not a good idea. I hope you daughter is feeling better today, enjoy your hotel stay hopefully we can still get together each day and enjoy ourselves, but have the evenings apart and this may lead to less fraught situations occurring - let me know what your Disney plans are and we will meet you there, sure the girls will have a lovely time. Sorry if I said things which in the heat of the moment I shouldn't have, let's put it behind us and enjoy the rest of our holiday together before we all travel home"

wizzywig · 05/09/2024 10:31

What a bitch! I'd be cancelling the ferry and disney tickets. Bet she uses those both too

Noodlehen · 05/09/2024 10:22

Do not let her use your Disney tickets, and cancel the ferry.

Blink282 · 05/09/2024 10:21

OP did you speak to her at all before she left?

Portfun24 · 05/09/2024 10:17

I'm absolutely gobsmacked a friend would abandon you in a foreign country like this with your autistic child when she is supposed to drive home. What an absolute cunt. I'd never speak to her ever again. Change your ferry and go speak to reception, wev done Eurocamp/Park and always arranged transfers to the airport via them I'm sure they could do it to the ferry hopefully. Pretty shocking a parent with a child who has DLA herself would have such a lack of empathy and care towards a child/friend dealing with one meltdown.

sandyhappypeople · 05/09/2024 10:17

Notsurehowtoprocessthis · 05/09/2024 08:33

İts absolutely pouring with rain today. Me and dd are just sitting on phones in the bedroom.

I don't know how to process all of this about the car seat...that's definitely a strong signal that we aren't getting a lift home.

I just feel a bit heartbroken. I don't think I'll say anything to her as she does love drama a bit and I don't want to give her the satisfaction. I might see if I can courier my stuff home. I'm absolutely petrified of flying, hence doing a holiday close to home, and by the time I go into Paris and get the train to CDG I might as well be on a train en route to Calais, I think. I just wanted a holiday to be away from admin for a bit. We won't go to Disney, it'll be too much without a queue jump pass.

What date are you supposed to be coming home OP?

DontCallAnyoneAnIdiotOrYouWillBeBannedAgain · 05/09/2024 10:17

Babycatsmummy · 05/09/2024 10:00

The OP is having a rubbish time and needs support. If MN and social media is her support then who are you to be so negative???

I'm still waiting for the "Your 5 year old HAS A PHONE??!" comment 😂

Ardrahan · 05/09/2024 10:14

Iscrewedupbadly · 05/09/2024 10:11

I think she said upthread that "friend" had gone to stay somewhere else for the night, but could be wrong!

I think she said the meltdown happened in a public place, the friend stormed off back to the caravan and texted to say she’d booked somewhere else and was leaving in the morning. I assumed both women and both children spent the night in the shared caravan?

Saker · 05/09/2024 10:13

Another option is to get the coach from Paris to London that would include the ferry and is cheap. It's a long journey but everything is organised for you. Flix bus

Catandsquirrel · 05/09/2024 10:12

I would also look at flights and Eurostar rather than foot tickets on the ferry. A lot simpler. If I'm honest, I think your friend will cool down though, it would be a horrible thing to leave you and a small child stranded abroad, really far beyond normal getting fed up on holiday territory

Ardrahan · 05/09/2024 10:12

Notsurehowtoprocessthis · 05/09/2024 08:20

Shes gone. She's taken my daughter's car seat out of the car and left it here too. İt's not even mine I borrowed it from someone in our home town.

Has she taken all her and her daughter’s belongings, OP? I mean, is it clear she’s definitely not returning to the caravan, or whether she may have just gone out for the day with her daughter to cool off, and just left the car seat in case you needed to cab somewhere or just because the sight of it reminded her of the meltdown?

Iscrewedupbadly · 05/09/2024 10:11

Ardrahan · 05/09/2024 08:58

Yes, this was my question. As I understand it, they were sharing a caravan, so it’s not as though the departure can have been inaudible.

I think she said upthread that "friend" had gone to stay somewhere else for the night, but could be wrong!

Lillygolightly · 05/09/2024 10:10

I think you need to think of the outcome you want OP - would you rather speak to your friend and try and smooth things over in the hopes of continuing the friendship OR do you have no wish to continue to friendship beyond this incident?

If the latter I would be cancelling the ferry tickets so that you can concentrate on sorting your own travel home, and I would forbid the use of the free Disney tickets also.

If the former, speak to your friend…ask about the plan for return travel arrangements since she has well and truly left you stranded, at the very least confirm with her that she doesn’t plan on returning for you to travel home together.

If I was your so called friend and did what she has done, there is no way I would just leave you and your child without letting you know the plan for getting home. Regardless of what has happened and any perceived rights or wrongs this is what I find most unreasonable about the whole situation. I see from your posts her child has some additional needs too, so I am loath to cast aspersions on her when I don’t know things from her perspective and why exactly she felt the need to separate from you on holiday, there may be legitimate reasons from her point of view for doing this. That said it is completely out of order for her to leave you to worry and wonder how you will get home, that is what’s most unforgivable here!

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 05/09/2024 10:09

I was really hoping that it would work out for you with your friend, OP, I'm so sorry.

I can't fathom going on holiday with a friend (who cannot drive) and leaving them stranded, with a child to boot. That is really despicable behaviour. You really must ring your friend to check what the arrangements are for going home though. It may be that your daughter's car seat was left in case of need - or it has just been dumped. You need to know which to inform what you do next. Don't just assume because if you go ahead and cancel the arrangements from your side... and she does call back to pick you both up, that will be awkward piled on top of disaster. Check first.

Once you check the position regarding getting home with your friend you can make your plans as needed, safe in the knowledge that you're either being picked up, or making your own way.

I would never do this to a friend I was on holiday with. If we'd had a row then I would definitely look at separate accommodation but I'd never abandon someone who had no means of getting home. If it meant that our friendship was over then so be it but I wouldn't leave someone hanging on will they/won't they take us home again? Cruel.

Ring her, OP. Have that awful conversation and then you'll know what to do next.

macaroniplease · 05/09/2024 10:09

Oh, OP, I am really invested in this story. As fellow mum to a non neurotypical kid, I feel this pain / frustration / chaos. Can I ask if it's not prying what the best help you need is? Are you considering cutting your holiday short? When are you due to travel back? Do you want any of us to look into travel options for you? If you were willing to share where you needed to get back to, I'm sure some of us would be more than happy to help.

Wishitwasstraightforward · 05/09/2024 10:08

@Notsurehowtoprocessthis please consider trying to get confirmation from your "friend" that she has gone ahead and abandoned you-
Ideally via text rather than verbally?

I understand that you don't want to create any additional drama, but I think that it is important that she is put in a situation where she absolutely needs to confirm that she is doing this to you.

Without her acknowledgement there is the opportunity for her to later claim that she 'never meant it', or was 'joking' , or even that it was your idea etc..

You also might need confirmation or proof should you need help from any charities, authorities or insurance.

I also think maybe it would be worthwhile to state clearly the difficult position that it leaves you in- again so that she can't use the excuse that she thought you 'would manage', or were happy with the situation.

Deep breaths, you will get through this.

Catandsquirrel · 05/09/2024 10:06

Give her a clear day and ask whether she will be driving you and your daughter home as planned. Don't be overwrought but ask her. Give her time to cool off but open the conversation so you know you've tried. If not, ask her If she plans to take the car seat. If that's not her plan it's unforgivable.

Forget Disney. Make the best of the trip on and near on the campsite. I'd speak to a rep and formulate the best plan for getting back with plenty of time. I'm sure they'll try and help. You say you have funds, if need be can you jettison the bulkiest luggage and replace the car seat when you get back? Message friend who owns it and explain first. I'd rather buy a new duvet than drag one across France. Try a courier but I wouldn't spend hours on it. It prob won't cost much less.

It may still be all out of proportion and she has left the car seat as she thinks you might need it for some reason. Try and open a dialogue but at the same time form a contingency with the help of the reps. If your friend likes drama, give her the chance to climb down. I wouldn't particularly want her as a close friend again unless there's a lot more to this but at least to get you home.

GuiltyForEver · 05/09/2024 10:06

Two more Facebook groups for you - lifts in france for everyone and Travel between UK and France - there are always people coming and going - you can contribute to fuel/tolls etc. Also try Blabla car....

caffelattetogo · 05/09/2024 10:01

Sounds like you weren't suited as holiday mates. I'd chalk it down to experience and move on.
Speak to the Eurocamp rep - I bet they'll have spare suitcases in lost property.
Once you've taken the first leg of your ferry it's tough to change the return leg, even with a flexible ticket - you'll likely lose any discount.
I'd get the Eurostar and not bother with the ferry. It's a real faff as a foot passenger.

Babycatsmummy · 05/09/2024 10:00

Ghilliegums · 05/09/2024 09:17

Yes definitely spend your day sitting on your phone on mumsnet and Facebook rather than spending 15 minutes confirming things with your friend.

The OP is having a rubbish time and needs support. If MN and social media is her support then who are you to be so negative???

Crabcakeswin · 05/09/2024 09:59

I'm so sorry this is happening on your holiday :(

I was going to say that maybe she just wanted to separate for the rest of the holiday but would meet up at the end to drive you home, but seems like not.

If I were you I would definitely cancel the ferry and change to foot passenger tickets.

What she has done is really not on. It doesn't matter how angry, I would never ever leave a friend stranded - even more so abroad!!

Wishing you all the best for your return home. And also was thinking perhaps you could look into liftshare.com on the offchance that you can find someone to share your journey home with.

Neighbours87 · 05/09/2024 09:57

Just checked skyscanner London to Paris flights tomorrow are £38

Demonhunter · 05/09/2024 09:54

I'd cancel the ferry and not tell her. Let her be stressed and stranded, she doesn't deserve any heads up for that.

Cem82 · 05/09/2024 09:51

Use your Disney passes or ask your friends to cancel them - if you are not going to use them could you resell them? Also definitely cancel the ferry - don’t pay for anything for them, she is an awful person. To have a falling out is one thing but to strand someone is completely out of order - I wouldn’t do that to an enemy let alone a friend. I would be annoyed she got annoyed at a kid having a meltdown - they’re kids that what they do!

I would cancel the ferry and let her know you are doing that and tell her the Disney tickets are cancelled (whether or not you can). Honestly with friends like that who needs enemies!

ginasevern · 05/09/2024 09:51

Any friend of mine would have to resort to murder for me to abandon them in that way, especially if she had a child with her. OP, did you say that your friend's child receives DLA? I presume therefore (unless I've got the acronym wrong) her child has some form of disability or health issue? In which case surely she would be more understanding.

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