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To tell friend that I won’t do this and why?

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Itllfalloff · 04/09/2024 16:22

Good friend, we meet through our kids in primary school but year 4 she moved hers to a private school in the next town over. We still see them lots.

Our local excellent 6th form is state and as its over subscribed has decided to move to only accepting children who have been state educated from Year 1. It’s already none selective - as in, you just need to be good at the subjects you want to study not have amazing GCSEs across the board. It has outstanding results and lots kids end up in Oxbridge and other great universities.

I fully support this. Friend obvs does not and wants to start a local campaign against this - with my help as I’m in marketing/branding/PR type role, am tech savvy and have run community campaigns.

So my choices are - lie and say I’m too busy to get involved, but she might out me under pressure still.

Tell the truth - I think it’s great because more children in the postcode areas which include our cities largest council estate and areas of deprivation will have a chance to go to this excellent school. And perhaps have life changing opportunities because of this.
I am morally opposed to private schools, but we have never discussed this. Her kids her choice, my kids my choice. I sort have let them assume we can’t afford private schooling, which isn’t true.

YANBU - tell her the truth. You support this move and think it’s for the greater good.

YABU - lie, fudge it.

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JustMarriedBecca · 04/09/2024 18:12

Itllfalloff · 04/09/2024 17:13

‘I'd just be honest - surely she'll be paying for private 6th form too?!’

No, this college has more Oxbridge success than any private school in the county and they have their eye on Oxbridge for the eldest. Plus she thinks that using a state 6th form looks better on an UCAS form given the move to be more diverse in unis when it comes to kids backgrounds.
And they have several kids in private so saving £ is a consideration…

I was going to say I bet she's heard that Universities are prioritising non private school kids these days and has realised her mistake.

Tough.

TinyYellow · 04/09/2024 18:11

I would tell her you’re too busy, but I agree that it’s wrong for a state school to discriminate against children based on choices their parents made. State schools should serve all children in their local area who wants a place. Distance criteria would be much more fair.

Phloopey · 04/09/2024 18:05

@allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld it's frankly weird that we still say sixth form. Just a throwback.

BobbyBiscuits · 04/09/2024 18:04

Every single child in the local area should be able to attend in principle. But it's totally fine for them to prioritise state kids. Else they could just flood the school leaving equally deserving kids disadvantaged. Private schools openly prioritise the privileged as their entire raison detre, so for someone to use private and then be disgusted at not being prioritised in the state system sounds ridiculous. Like try to have your cake and eat it.
Definitely just say you've got too many other projects on. Morally it's batty she should try and set up such a campaign.

TikehauLilly · 04/09/2024 18:02

Someone at work privately educated thier children un to 6th form then sent them state for 6th form.... (a selective one based on gcse results... one of the top in london) so that they and I quote "had a better chance of getting into a good uni as came.from a state school"

Therefore I think YANBU

I was quite shocked that thinking existed! Me and my rose tinted glasses! Felts bad for the comparatively "poor" child who didn't get a place because of that

KreedKafer · 04/09/2024 17:59

I wouldn't tell her that you are morally opposed to private schools. I would absolutely, however, tell her that you support the state sixth form's decision, so won't be getting involved in her campaign.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 04/09/2024 17:58

@Phloopey totally lost me! in scotland we have primary 1 - 7 then secondary 1 - 6. my grandaughter went to a school which had form one to form 13. she is now at a school where it is L1 - L7 and form 1 - 6

tulippa · 04/09/2024 17:57

Bluevelvetsofa · 04/09/2024 16:29

What are the legalities of that decision by the college? Are they able to select on the basis of a wholly state school education?

Selection on the basis of high grades in subjects a student wants to take at A level, is normal and sensible. I haven’t heard of selection by state school though.

Having said that, I can see, that if you’re an advocate of state education, you would want to get your child into a state college, particularly if it means there’s more equality of opportunity for children who are able, but disadvantaged financially.

DD went to a selective state secondary school. It was full of kids who'd been to private primary and whose parents had effectively bought them a place at the state school. Private primaries can coach for entrance exams, state schools can't.

This school's policy may be to avoid something like this and give talented children from disadvantaged backgrounds more opportunities. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Phloopey · 04/09/2024 17:47

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 04/09/2024 17:16

@Itllfalloff I am not au fait with the english system but do the private schools not run their own 6th year like the ones in scotland??

It's not a 6th year, it's year 12 & 13. The name is a throwback to when the system was in "forms" with each form taking 2 years. They went through lower first, upper first, lower second etc all the way up.

When I went to senior school, the very youngest year group were the UIIIs (upper threes)

YeahComeOnThen · 04/09/2024 17:41

Awkward.

'I'm sorry I can't. I just don't have the time or bandwidth to do that right now'

& hope she doesn't press it!!

anxioussister · 04/09/2024 17:41

I’d just be direct. ‘Hi friend, I hear your frustration about this - but I feel differently about educational access. While I fully support all the choices you and your family have made, I can’t in all good conscience put my professional time behind this campaign.’

Don’t get drawn into an emotional debate about it. Just calmly say no thanks without digging into the details.

separately - as the mother of a clutch of children in the private sector - I am perpetually horrified by the outraged pearl clutching of other private school parents about access. We are paying literally hundreds of thousands of pounds other people don’t have for what we feel is an advantage for our. Children. It’s ok for them not to be at the very front of the queue for Every. Single. Thing.

hell. I’ll join your counter campaign. Your friend sounds excruciatingly un self aware.

Tulip8 · 04/09/2024 17:34

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 04/09/2024 17:19

@Itllfalloff sending their kids to state for 2 years so sixth form takes 2 years????

I'm confused by your exaggerated confusion!

Itllfalloff · 04/09/2024 17:32

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 04/09/2024 17:19

@Itllfalloff sending their kids to state for 2 years so sixth form takes 2 years????

Well, yes! A levels taken2 years, though they also offer some BTEC courses

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Phloopey · 04/09/2024 17:30

I would try a very clear "No sorry, I can't" first.

You may well end up talking about the reasons but it's worth a punt at getting your decision across without. You can always give more away later. Don't risk upsetting her/causing a rift unless you have to.

With any luck she will pick up on you not wanting to talk about why, and take you at your word. The more you say, the more pear shaped it can go.

lowlight · 04/09/2024 17:28

Tell her you are too busy to get involved in this but suggest that she needs to speak to her local MP.

I don't suppose the local parent group will care much about her campaign anyway

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 04/09/2024 17:22

@Itllfalloff in scotland unis pick the varied kids from postcodes. not sure if i have said that correcty/ if the are looking for diversity then they go via postcode thinking affluent parents wont live there and send their kids to local schools.

BabaYetu · 04/09/2024 17:20

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 04/09/2024 17:19

@Itllfalloff sending their kids to state for 2 years so sixth form takes 2 years????

Yes A-levels are two year courses.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 04/09/2024 17:19

@Itllfalloff sending their kids to state for 2 years so sixth form takes 2 years????

Itllfalloff · 04/09/2024 17:18

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 04/09/2024 17:16

@Itllfalloff I am not au fait with the english system but do the private schools not run their own 6th year like the ones in scotland??

Yes, but this college is excellent and FREE ! Also, I know many private parents who think that sending their kids to state for 2 years will make them more attractive to ‘good’ universities

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TheYearOfSmallThings · 04/09/2024 17:17

Vabenejulio · 04/09/2024 17:01

I’ve been in a similar-ish position myself. I make no judgement on other people’s choices re education, and assume (don’t care if I’m right or wrong) other people afford me the same consideration. So when I was in your shoes, I was honest about my thoughts. Why would I have lied or been economic with the truth? People can take me as they find me, or not at all 🤷🏻‍♀️. For your situation, I’d say something like:

Thanks for thinking of me. I really admire your proactive approach to Sally and Ben’s education, you’ve always been very intentional with your choices. I don’t think I’m the right person for you to ask for help with this, though: the current policy suits our family very well and I don’t want it to change. I firmly believe excellent, potentially life-changing education should be open to everyone from all walks of life (so it pays dividends into the workplace and beyond) and agree with them that this means kids from underserved communities - demonstrated by an unbroken history of state education - should be prioritised. I actually believe in this policy - I guess it’s my intentional approach to education. Good luck with this though, it’ll be interesting to see how they respond.

Much too long winded and pompous.

This one is better:

Sorry Genevieve, I’m OK with the new policy so won’t be joining the campaign. Hope school is going well for Crispin and Leonora x”

Itllfalloff · 04/09/2024 17:16

Fuck it, I think I’ll fess up. The reality is her kids, and mine, have plenty of other options if we don’t get exactly what we want at the time.
My children should be able to apply and get in given where we live, how they should do etc but honestly if they didn’t then they’ll be fine else where too.

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allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 04/09/2024 17:16

@Itllfalloff I am not au fait with the english system but do the private schools not run their own 6th year like the ones in scotland??

godmum56 · 04/09/2024 17:15

Itllfalloff · 04/09/2024 17:13

‘I'd just be honest - surely she'll be paying for private 6th form too?!’

No, this college has more Oxbridge success than any private school in the county and they have their eye on Oxbridge for the eldest. Plus she thinks that using a state 6th form looks better on an UCAS form given the move to be more diverse in unis when it comes to kids backgrounds.
And they have several kids in private so saving £ is a consideration…

I'd definitely not do it if she is doing it out of self interest. and yes it sounds as though the "contentious issues" reason would work for you.

ForeverPombear · 04/09/2024 17:14

I'd be honest with her but my friends and I have those types of relationships.

I think for me it would come down to how much I value our friendship. If you're worried it'll ruin it if you say something then I'd fudge it, if not I'd be honest.

Itllfalloff · 04/09/2024 17:13

‘I'd just be honest - surely she'll be paying for private 6th form too?!’

No, this college has more Oxbridge success than any private school in the county and they have their eye on Oxbridge for the eldest. Plus she thinks that using a state 6th form looks better on an UCAS form given the move to be more diverse in unis when it comes to kids backgrounds.
And they have several kids in private so saving £ is a consideration…

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