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To think this comment about women with no female friends is problematic?

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Newlifeincoming · 04/09/2024 15:47

I saw a comment recently that said “women who don’t have any friends that are women are red flags. I don’t care what anyone says.”

I find this a bit troubling and potentially judgemental.

AIBU for thinking that this perspective is unfair and doesn’t account for individual circumstances or preferences? What do you think about this kind of statement?

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PeepDeBeaul · 05/09/2024 19:44

Well this post is eye opening!
I am one of "those" women. no I'm not after your partner/hubby/SO.

I'm not misogynistic, but I've had awful betrayals from female friends in the past. My main hobby is video gaming, and I play board games too. I'm an Engineer for work. Is it surprising that I get on so much better with guys, and that I prefer the company of like minded folk...who are guys. Find me some female friends who will tell it like it is, share my interests and will put in some effort to maintain a friendship and I'll be there. I'm yet to find a Rosetta stone of female friendship - I've found it several times in men.

I just want a friend who's not got an agenda, not competing with me, not threatened by me, and will put an equal share of effort into the friendship (call me as often as i call them for example.)

Please tell me the red flags that "I prefer male friends" gives off?
Is nerdy? yes.
Socially awkward? yes
On the pull? hell no - friendzone for a reason!
bad experiences? yes.

I'd love to know what vibe i'm giving off that makes women back away and guys come talk to me too.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 05/09/2024 19:41

Thepeopleversuswork · 05/09/2024 19:11

@KendraTheVampyrSlayer

Are you an extrovert or an introvert?

I am a bit of both. I am fairly socially confident but I don’t particularly enjoy big crowds and gatherings and prefer intimate conversations.

I knew that was going to come up and I knew someone was going to say they don’t need friends because they are an introvert.

It’s a complete misconception of what introversion is. Introverts need friends too. They are not people who “hate people” or don’t need friends. They are people who charge their energy by being alone.

Yes, that's true, I do charge my energy by being alone (or with DH and the kids). I don't need friends because all my emotional and social needs are being met by my family. I have never had one friend who actually just liked me for me, they always wanted something from me. Pushed my boundaries and used me.

Once I reached a certain age I stopped trying to please people. If people don't like me for who I am rather than what I can do for them it says more about them than me.

Thepeopleversuswork · 05/09/2024 19:11

@KendraTheVampyrSlayer

Are you an extrovert or an introvert?

I am a bit of both. I am fairly socially confident but I don’t particularly enjoy big crowds and gatherings and prefer intimate conversations.

I knew that was going to come up and I knew someone was going to say they don’t need friends because they are an introvert.

It’s a complete misconception of what introversion is. Introverts need friends too. They are not people who “hate people” or don’t need friends. They are people who charge their energy by being alone.

MustWeDoThis · 05/09/2024 19:08

Newlifeincoming · 04/09/2024 15:47

I saw a comment recently that said “women who don’t have any friends that are women are red flags. I don’t care what anyone says.”

I find this a bit troubling and potentially judgemental.

AIBU for thinking that this perspective is unfair and doesn’t account for individual circumstances or preferences? What do you think about this kind of statement?

This sounds like it was written by someone really jaded and no partner in life. Probably sexist and abusive.

The people here who are disagreeing with you - I normally find them to be the easily jealous type and therefore will project that onto women whom have male friends only.

At the end of the day, it is not up to anybody which friends you choose to have whether male, female, non-binary etc

LonelyInDville · 05/09/2024 19:08

My DD has no female friends and one male friend. she is extremely shy and not good with small talk. there's nothing wrong with her, but she's very quiet and most of the girls she went to school with are more talkative and chatty and she's not that type.

Bigbobalady · 05/09/2024 19:03

I guess I’m a huge red flag then 😅

fetchacloth · 05/09/2024 18:56

Alwayssuspicious · 04/09/2024 15:58

Any statement that begins " all" or "everyone" or who assumes "a one size fits all" view point is ridiculous. We are all individuals.
In this case the statement is even more ridiculous because there is no context.

Totally agree, what's more, does it really matter that some women don't have female friends? Personally I don't think it does really.
Equally, does this mean that men who don't have male friends are a red flag too? I think not.

Overbearingndn · 05/09/2024 18:52

Jumpingthruhoops · 05/09/2024 18:26

But if those opinions are based on their own life experience, who are you to say otherwise?

Because the opinions of MRAs are rarely based in reality. You only have to look at crime statistics to see that men are considerably more violent than women.

Jumpingthruhoops · 05/09/2024 18:40

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2024 22:56

Men are allowed and encouraged to be independent. Women who are are sneered at. Women are expected to fit in and conform.

As per my previous post, this depends on who's 'judging' (for want of a better word).

As a woman, I feel I've always been encouraged to be strong, ambitious and independent... by both men and women (whether it's family, friends, colleagues or bosses) who possess those same qualities. Hands down, the two biggest supporters in my entire life were/are male.

Hands down, the only people who have 'sneered at' me and expected me to 'fit in and conform' have been insecure, unambitious, jealous people of BOTH sexes. Funny that...

Jumpingthruhoops · 05/09/2024 18:26

Overbearingndn · 04/09/2024 22:42

You're not aware of the poster's history. They're currently arguing about how women are predominantly more violent than men more likely to be abusers and how 'feminists' are the cause of everything wrong in society.

But if those opinions are based on their own life experience, who are you to say otherwise?

Jumpingthruhoops · 05/09/2024 18:23

XenoBitch · 04/09/2024 22:39

I think you proved @Galadriell point there.
Her life experience may have led her to not have much faith in other women.
On MN, it seems ok to hate men in general because a few go and murder women or whatever.. but be a woman who has had bad experience with other women, and you get gaslit over it.

This! 👏👏

Tandora · 05/09/2024 18:11

PassPassPass · 05/09/2024 18:02

Yeah, there’s a part of me thinking the things being said in this thread by a lot of women are why some women would rather hang out with men more!

Yeh cos men never say awful things about women

PassPassPass · 05/09/2024 18:02

usernolongerexists · 04/09/2024 21:13

I’m so sorry this is upsetting. Some of the deeply unfair things I’ve heard about myself because a lot of women didn’t like me made me howl.

Your comment about not being a red flag, just being messed up and trying to survive resonates completely.

I’m an old, old MNer who rarely posts on MN these days, but posts like this make me feel like I’m five again and lacking because I somehow lack the vibes which make women/ girls think I’m worthy of being a friend somehow.

It is hurtful, small minded and lacks any understanding or empathy for anyone who is less than cookie cutter in their nature.

With our better understanding of diversity and the challenges women face to just survive in today’s toxic society, I really had hoped fora like MN would be further evolved than this. It’s just so disappointing.

@Terridactyl if you are in the market for a woman friend, you’d be more than welcome to drop me a line. 💙

Yeah, there’s a part of me thinking the things being said in this thread by a lot of women are why some women would rather hang out with men more!

PassPassPass · 05/09/2024 17:58

I’m suspicious of anyone who only has friends of either sex tbh.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 05/09/2024 16:49

nomud · 05/09/2024 12:19

Regarding women who only have their husband for a friend, I only have my husband for a friend, and have been judged for it. ‘Don’t put all of your eggs in one basket’, etc. I understand that but for some of us, even having one friend is a miracle. He’s my best friend and I’m grateful for him everyday. I think it’s likely true as PPs said that for those women who say you shouldn’t have friends once you’re married, maybe they feel ashamed of not having friends and are using that as a defence mechanism. It does make you feel like a reject. Regardless, I don’t think it’s anyone’s place to tell someone how many or how few friends they should have. We don’t know what someone has been through or what kind of struggles they have.

I agree.

In my entire life my DH is the only person (apart from my dds) who has ever "got me". I'm weird, and quirky and socially awkward and tactless and say the wrong thing a lot of the time. I find social interactions emotionally draining. He's the only person who has ever bothered to look past the exterior and seen the real me.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 05/09/2024 16:47

Thepeopleversuswork · 05/09/2024 08:13

I’ve said it before on this thread and elsewhere but I would far prefer people to only have male friends than not have friends at all.

I find the trend towards stubborn pride in not having friends other than your husband and family really disturbing. There are people who for various reasons struggle with friendships for whom I have sympathy.

But people who say they have their husband and that’s all they need really worry me. It’s utterly bizarre that people could not only be comfortable with this but actually advertise it.

If you prefer the company of blokes to chat with about football or gaming or whatever knock yourself out. Female friendships aren’t mandatory. I happen to think they are life enhancing but I can see they don’t work for everyone. I couldn’t care less who people hang out with, what sex they are and what they chat about as long as they have people outside the family who have their backs.

But convincing yourself that the healthy way to live involves shutting our everyone other than your spouse, children and siblings is really dysfunctional. We are not meant to live like this and for most people this leads to an isolated and unsatisfying life.

Are you an extrovert or an introvert?

nomud · 05/09/2024 15:39

In my case it wasn’t harder, it was much, much, easier. He’s a very kind and understanding person. He doesn’t think I’m weird, he just accepts me as I am. I think I just got lucky as I’ve never felt like I could truly relax around anyone, not even family. Marriage hasn’t been an emotional rollercoaster for me (over 10 years on now).

Thepeopleversuswork · 05/09/2024 15:05

@nomud

I agree it’s no one’s place to tell someone how many friends they should have.

I think what I find baffling (and I have said this before on here), is that it’s so much harder to form a romantic bond like a marriage than a friendship. If you have gone through the emotional rollercoaster of building a marriage why can’t you do the same thing with a friendship, which is far lower risk?

TheFormidableMrsC · 05/09/2024 13:17

Ablondiebutagoody · 04/09/2024 16:00

I have an ex school friend like that. Massive flirt with other friend's partners/brothers etc. especially when drinking. Fucked one of the groups boyfriends. Generally a massive pain in the ass and has mostly been ditched by everyone. Blokes love her though. Go figure.

Yes this is my experience unfortunately. No qualms about targeting other women's partners and open about doing so.

nomud · 05/09/2024 12:19

Regarding women who only have their husband for a friend, I only have my husband for a friend, and have been judged for it. ‘Don’t put all of your eggs in one basket’, etc. I understand that but for some of us, even having one friend is a miracle. He’s my best friend and I’m grateful for him everyday. I think it’s likely true as PPs said that for those women who say you shouldn’t have friends once you’re married, maybe they feel ashamed of not having friends and are using that as a defence mechanism. It does make you feel like a reject. Regardless, I don’t think it’s anyone’s place to tell someone how many or how few friends they should have. We don’t know what someone has been through or what kind of struggles they have.

Overbearingndn · 05/09/2024 12:06

Tandora · 05/09/2024 12:02

Oh FFS.

I know🙄

Tandora · 05/09/2024 12:02

Galadriell · 04/09/2024 22:48

The vast majority of studies conducted in the last 50 years have found that women commit similar levels of DV to men (varies a bit by study) and about 70% of non reciprocal violence. Whilst men cause more serious injury and commit more murders. However, crime data shows a completely different story which may or may not be down to mens reluctance to admit they're being abused by a woman - charities like Mankind emphasise that men not wanting to be seen as 'weak' is a real barrier to helping them.

This isn't my opinion. I'm just stating what the studies have concluded and what the charities say. I've linked every single study I've quoted on the other thread. People just don't like what they say.

Oh FFS.

Thepeopleversuswork · 05/09/2024 08:35

@Rollorock

And a bit defeatist too because I get the impression some people who think like this deep down don’t believe they can find and maintain a healthy friendship.

Possibly. In some cases it’s obviously denial because they are people who struggle with friendships and you can usually tell this a mile off. I have more sympathy with this as it’s a defence mechanism.

What really scares me though is this pose some people on here take that friendship is somehow an unnecessary indulgence if you have a spouse, something you should give up when you get married. There’s a sense with these sorts of that it’s an immature thing which you ought to grow out of. This is not only incredibly self harming it’s damaging for society at large.

Friendship, of whatever form it takes and with a person of any sex, is hugely life affirming and can in some cases save your life. Anyone who thinks that can be wholly replaced by having a spouse is dangerously deluded.

brunettemic · 05/09/2024 08:32

If you reverse the statement and met a man who only had female friends how would you view him? If it’s a red flag then the statement you’re complaining about is accurate, if not then you’re right in not liking it.

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 05/09/2024 08:29

It's a fairly meaningless generalisation and not worth all this thought to be honest.