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To worry about this procedure after doctor’s comment about birth? (Polyp)

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Summer20024 · 04/09/2024 14:43

I need a uterine polyp removed. I was told I could have it under general or local but as I had had a c section I probably wouldn’t cope with local as I wouldn’t cope with the pain? I suppose implying I haven’t suffered labour pains before?

I don’t want general and now I’m petrified of local too. Has anyone got experience of this? I am lucky I can go privately but apparently most private hospitals only offer it under general. I don’t know what to do, feel really overwhelmed by it all.

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SockQueen · 05/09/2024 17:45

Destiny123 · 05/09/2024 15:11

You'd think gynae would remember spinals from their obs days though lol. Prilocaine spinal would be best, walking within 2h then home

If anyone can remember where it is/find the keys to the cupboard... Confused May just be my hospital though!

Destiny123 · 05/09/2024 15:11

SockQueen · 05/09/2024 12:18

I'm an anaesthetist. It's totally possible to do this with a spinal, and if you're otherwise well there's not much difference in overall risks between that and a GA. (@Kosenrufugirl this is a bit different from labour ward where we would have a preference for spinal. )

It would need to be booked on a proper theatre list with an anaesthetist though, same as if you were having a GA. The two main reasons I expect it hasn't been mentioned are:

  1. Whoever you were talking to just didn't think of it - they're not an anaesthetist so don't know as much about the different options as we do!
  2. For a quick day case procedure, you can usually go home sooner after a short GA, whereas a standard spinal lasts for 4-6 hours so you'd be in for longer (which might have logistical implications if you're e.g. in a day surgery unit which closes at 7pm or something). There are other, shorter acting spinal drugs but they aren't available everywhere.

It's a very reasonable thing to ask though, so @Summer20024 it's worth asking them. I'd be surprised if you need to go private just for that reason.

You'd think gynae would remember spinals from their obs days though lol. Prilocaine spinal would be best, walking within 2h then home

Destiny123 · 05/09/2024 15:07

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 04/09/2024 14:51

I would imagine it's because they're going through your cervix isn't it? And you've not had a vaginal birth. I don't think it's to do with labour pains.

It's most likely this reasoning. If you deliver naturally you tend to have a remaining small gap which makes it easier to get through the cervix

Doesn't mean you can't try though. I was told the same when I wanted a coil - I told then to try it and I'd let them know and it was fine

Theres no reason why you couldn't just have it under spinal anaesthetic like you had your csection if you wanted, if you don't want a GA. We have a drug called prilocaine which is used for day surgery spinal Anaesthetics as it only lasts an hour then you can go home. Much better recovery as none of the woozy nausea of GA and you can eat immediately

CloudywMeatballs · 05/09/2024 15:06

Why wouldn't you want to have a general? I had two myself just in the past year - one for a surgery, one for a colonoscopy. I can't think of anything easier.

Greybeardy · 05/09/2024 15:04

x-posted with @SockQueen !

Greybeardy · 05/09/2024 15:02

You won't be able to drive same day after either a GA (or sedation) or spinal.

Generally, it's a procedure that can be done with local but some women do find it painful and may not be able to proceed/finish with just local (in which case the alternatives are GA/spinal). If you've passed a baby through your cervix in the past it's often easier to pass the small scope back up through the cervix and that's perhaps why the gynaecologist made the comment about having had a c-section rather than vaginal delivery.

Re. the anaesthetist-delivered options, it can be done with either spinal (or saddle) block or GA. For most fit and healthy patients there's not much in it in terms of safety (there are risks as well as benefits to every medical procedure) but you're probably more likely to go home same day after a GA. The gynaecologist won't have mentioned spinal because it's not their specialty and they probably won't have thought about it...doesn't mean it's not an option though. The anaesthetist would be able to go through the relative risks and benefits. For some patients where we believe there is an increased risk we may be more persuasive for either GA or spinal, for for most people either is reasonable (and either would be an option in the NHS).

Kosenrufugirl's experience of working on labour ward will be very different to providing anaesthesia for other things where the risks/benefits are often very different.

Rubyupbeat · 05/09/2024 15:02

I really believe it depends on the person, my dil has had it done 3 times, not had any children and she had no pain with it. My sister has had 5 children, vaginally and each of the 4 times she has had it done she needed a GA and she has a very high pain threshold. I've had it done 3 times, no pain, but have given birth vaginally. We are all shaped differently.

SockQueen · 05/09/2024 14:55

Summer20024 · 05/09/2024 14:21

@SockQueen thank you. Is spinal considered riskier than GA then? I would need to drive later than day to collect my daughter, would that be allowed with a spinal?

The risks are different for either option, but if you are otherwise healthy, both are very safe. In obstetrics, GA is less safe, hence the preference for more spinal anaesthetics, but in other surgical specialties the difference is small to minimal.

You should not drive for 24 hours after either a spinal or a GA, so whichever you have, I'm afraid you will need to make other arrangements for your daughter that day.

Summer20024 · 05/09/2024 14:21

@SockQueen thank you. Is spinal considered riskier than GA then? I would need to drive later than day to collect my daughter, would that be allowed with a spinal?

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SockQueen · 05/09/2024 12:18

I'm an anaesthetist. It's totally possible to do this with a spinal, and if you're otherwise well there's not much difference in overall risks between that and a GA. (@Kosenrufugirl this is a bit different from labour ward where we would have a preference for spinal. )

It would need to be booked on a proper theatre list with an anaesthetist though, same as if you were having a GA. The two main reasons I expect it hasn't been mentioned are:

  1. Whoever you were talking to just didn't think of it - they're not an anaesthetist so don't know as much about the different options as we do!
  2. For a quick day case procedure, you can usually go home sooner after a short GA, whereas a standard spinal lasts for 4-6 hours so you'd be in for longer (which might have logistical implications if you're e.g. in a day surgery unit which closes at 7pm or something). There are other, shorter acting spinal drugs but they aren't available everywhere.

It's a very reasonable thing to ask though, so @Summer20024 it's worth asking them. I'd be surprised if you need to go private just for that reason.

Kosenrufugirl · 05/09/2024 12:09

Summer20024 · 05/09/2024 11:56

@Kosenrufugirl thank you. I asked about the spinal and they said they offer it privately so now I think I will do that… though I’m surprised nobody has said they’ve had it done that way except one poster!

If NHS isn't covering a spinal it's probably because the proposed procedure isn't thought to be painful/distressing enough to warrant a spinal. A spinal is guaranteed to remove all sensation however it does have some small risks of which you should be aware of. Royal College of Anaesthetists have information for patients leaflet Your Spinal Anaesthetic

Summer20024 · 05/09/2024 11:56

Kosenrufugirl · 05/09/2024 10:50

I think both private and NHS is fine, I can't comment on the individual practioner/setting. If I had to choose between GA and local anaesthetic, I would personally choose local. I have never been under GA and I am not familiar with all their downsides. However, I have seen women waking after GA and I would hate to be in the same state of grogginess. My denstist told me some of her patients listen to hypnotherapy recordings to help with the nerves and it helps them. Maybe this is something for your to epxlore?

@Kosenrufugirl thank you. I asked about the spinal and they said they offer it privately so now I think I will do that… though I’m surprised nobody has said they’ve had it done that way except one poster!

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Kosenrufugirl · 05/09/2024 10:50

Summer20024 · 04/09/2024 19:43

@Kosenrufugirl ok thank you. Do you think it’s safe to have a spinal privately? Or is it safer on the nhs?

I think both private and NHS is fine, I can't comment on the individual practioner/setting. If I had to choose between GA and local anaesthetic, I would personally choose local. I have never been under GA and I am not familiar with all their downsides. However, I have seen women waking after GA and I would hate to be in the same state of grogginess. My denstist told me some of her patients listen to hypnotherapy recordings to help with the nerves and it helps them. Maybe this is something for your to epxlore?

Summer20024 · 04/09/2024 19:43

Kosenrufugirl · 04/09/2024 19:41

Spinal is definitely the answer unless there are contraindications for example a rare situation when the woman's blood doesn't clot easily. You need to speak to the doctor and maybe get a 2nd opinion.

@Kosenrufugirl ok thank you. Do you think it’s safe to have a spinal privately? Or is it safer on the nhs?

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Kosenrufugirl · 04/09/2024 19:41

Summer20024 · 04/09/2024 19:37

@Kosenrufugirl ok thank you. When I spoke to the private consultant he said it was either general privately with him or local at the hospital. He didn’t mention any other option it was literally like which of the two do you want?

I feel confused now as to why this wasn’t mentioned as i kept saying my worry with general was being asleep, so surely the answer is the spinal!!

Spinal is definitely the answer unless there are contraindications for example a rare situation when the woman's blood doesn't clot easily. You need to speak to the doctor and maybe get a 2nd opinion.

Summer20024 · 04/09/2024 19:37

Kosenrufugirl · 04/09/2024 19:24

Hi there I work with anaesthetists on a daily basis as a labour ward midwife. No anaesthetist in sound mind would give GA when a spinal would do. You need to go back to the doctor and ask wh a spinal is contraindicated for you and if there is any leeway about it

@Kosenrufugirl ok thank you. When I spoke to the private consultant he said it was either general privately with him or local at the hospital. He didn’t mention any other option it was literally like which of the two do you want?

I feel confused now as to why this wasn’t mentioned as i kept saying my worry with general was being asleep, so surely the answer is the spinal!!

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Kosenrufugirl · 04/09/2024 19:24

Summer20024 · 04/09/2024 17:47

Gosh none of this is reassuring at all.

I am terrified of the idea of GA. If I could go for spinal I would be that wasn’t offered. Maybe if I call other private hospitals? I am terrified so much so I want to leave it, does anyone know if you can do that or would that be stupid?

for context I have no real life support for this in terms of someone taking me etc and would have to really ask a friend and I don’t want to do that.

Hi there I work with anaesthetists on a daily basis as a labour ward midwife. No anaesthetist in sound mind would give GA when a spinal would do. You need to go back to the doctor and ask wh a spinal is contraindicated for you and if there is any leeway about it

gabsdot45 · 04/09/2024 18:25

I had a hysteroscopy and I haven't had any babies or pregnancies.
It was very uncomfortable, like very very bad period pain.
But I didn't have a general anesthesia so I was able to drive myself back to work afterwards . I think with a general my recovery would have taken longer

Summer20024 · 04/09/2024 18:07

@ExtraOnions when I say offer, I mean why hasn’t that happened to more people on this thread etc as it seems it is generally local or Ga

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Summer20024 · 04/09/2024 18:06

ExtraOnions · 04/09/2024 18:04

…you’ll have a pre-op appointment, ask there .. if they say “no” (which I doubt), you can change your mind.

I gathered, from my anaesthetist, the they prefer to give the spinal .. so hopefully you’ll be fine.

You are not the only person they will have seen, with a fear of a general.

@ExtraOnions thanks. Why dont they offer that instead of local then? Surely that is the obvious answer as you are properly numb but also awake?

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ExtraOnions · 04/09/2024 18:04

Summer20024 · 04/09/2024 17:56

@ExtraOnions how can I know beforehand though? I would feel ok with that as I had it for the c section. Do you think anywhere private would do that?

…you’ll have a pre-op appointment, ask there .. if they say “no” (which I doubt), you can change your mind.

I gathered, from my anaesthetist, the they prefer to give the spinal .. so hopefully you’ll be fine.

You are not the only person they will have seen, with a fear of a general.

Summer20024 · 04/09/2024 17:56

@ExtraOnions how can I know beforehand though? I would feel ok with that as I had it for the c section. Do you think anywhere private would do that?

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ExtraOnions · 04/09/2024 17:54

I had one a couple of weeks back. I opted for a general, as I had friends who had had it done “in clinic” and had found it very painful.

…as it was, I had a “saddle block”, a targeted spinal block, and didn’t feel a thing. Anaesthetist only made the decision on the day, ask if you can have one during your pre-op

Summer20024 · 04/09/2024 17:47

Gosh none of this is reassuring at all.

I am terrified of the idea of GA. If I could go for spinal I would be that wasn’t offered. Maybe if I call other private hospitals? I am terrified so much so I want to leave it, does anyone know if you can do that or would that be stupid?

for context I have no real life support for this in terms of someone taking me etc and would have to really ask a friend and I don’t want to do that.

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DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 04/09/2024 17:36

There is one thing about locals - they have to stick a needle in you to administer the local.

I've had local anaesthetic injections in my cervix and didn't even feel them.

And I don't have a particularly high pain threshold. I had local anaesthetic into my vagina when I needed stitches after giving birth and they really hurt! The cervix ones I was terrified about based on the previous ones, but I literally felt nothing.