Refugees "visiting home"

Or, maybe, just maybe, they just really really want to see their family. I’ll explain this further for all the people on this thread who don’t seem to know the concept of family. Lots of people really love their family, immediate and extended. They miss them terribly when they are in another country and their heart breaks thinking they will never see them again. So the risk for a week or so seems worth it. May you one day have a family and understand this concept.

Actually, it is possible to buy a driving license in Ukraine. They still have an archaic system inherited from the Soviets. That part I do believe. Not sure about the rest.
I keep having these conversations with our lodger that no, you can't just leave untaxed vehicle on a public road. And yes, you do have to pay your tax for the whole year, not just a month at a time whenever you get a notice. No, you can't just adjust mileage on a car before selling as it is recorded during the MOT. No, you can't just drive without insurance because we have cameras on the motorway. No, you can't just pay the police off when you are stopped.
That's not a reflection on him, by the way. It's just that these things are entirely normal at home and he has hard time adjusting.

It's not an insult. 'the language around rape changes according to the status of the male' IS convoluted nonsense, as is your comment that 'If they came here as immigrants or refugees it would be unacceptable to stereotype them as rapists.'
And I don't know what you think you're doing if you're 'not arguing with documented cases of rape' but then object to a statement of fact about Russian soldiers using rape as a weapon of war.

Right. So you basically are not privy to all the facts.

There's also a difference between wondering about it and turfing someone out on having a thought in your head.

She sounds so impressive - imagine being forced to leave your home and family as a teenager, unsure if they will survive a war, and make your way as she has, building a life for herself in her new country.

She isn't a refugee, she is under humanitarian protection, i.e. not eligible for recognition as a refugee, but given leave to remain for a period for humanitarian reasons as home was not safe.

As others have said, evacuees in WW2 often visited home temporarily, and maintained links with both home and the areas they were evacuated to.

So say you are a young girl who lives in London. Your entire city has been decimated by war. Your house and community is all gone. No work, no school, no hospitals.

pockets of your country remain unscathed and your family move to Scunthorpe*. It’s safer from bombs but not without risk. The influx of people from London makes finding a job there more difficult but the family are making do with the little they have. It’s not home but they have no choice. But there’s an opportunity for their daughter to go somewhere far safer (say, Madrid). They send her there. She is safe and has a good life They have a worse life than before but aren’t at risk of bombs but happy their daughter is safe. They miss her terribly. She goes back to Scunthorpe sometimes to see them but in the current climate it’s no life and she is better off in Madrid. What she really wants is to go back to her home, London. But her home doesn’t exist.

is it really hard to understand?

*No offence intended at Scunthorpe. Sunny Scunny is great. It was just a “not London but still UK example”.

I suspect they know because it’s entirely fabricated in their head.

And how exactly do you know all of this? Something has gone very wrong if you are privy to so much sensitive information, and you're sharing it online. Major confidentially breaches! Very concerning.

Sorry but I don’t believe a word of this.

The problem is there will be opportinists, but it doesn't sound as though she is one. A short but risky visit, with a safe "out" if the situation escalates, to see family is very different to surviving day to day in a country at war.

Gosh, I did not explain properly. They came here as 'Ukrainian refugees', did not sit LSAT, because of their circumstances and were given places to read law, at the expense of the taxpayer (they don't pay) and among them, there are some Russians from Crimea, to be taught at the taxpayers' expense, without sitting LSATs. They were given preferential treatment compared to the native applicants. Honestly, you are like my ds!!!!! He too, did not understand that not sitting LSATs and not paying for the degree and going back for holidays was a bit too much, don't you think (not even mentioning law students thinking it is OK to buy a driving license).

Spawned is modern slang for appear out of nowhere. It is a non-reflexive verb. How did they come under the Ukrainian scheme? How the f should I know, but they did.

I am not understanding what the issue is with any of these people you’re talking about - Ukrainian or Russian or whatever - being here as students. In what way is that taking the piss out of you?

People come from all over the world to study here. So what?

But apart from these Ukrainians, some Russians spawned as well, coming in their G-wagon monsters with Crimean number plates!!!!!

What did the Russians spawn? I don't understand this sentence. Also, if they are Russians from Crimea how did they come in under the Ukrainian scheme?

I’m part of the “Refugees welcome” lot. I took in three Ukrainians, because we had space. I’d still think they were welcome in the UK even if I didn’t have space, we were just fortunate that we did. I also hope if we were ever invaded, that somebody in a safe country would put a roof over my children’s heads and take care of them. And I hope they’d be at the front of the queue for safety, ahead of the “Fuck Refugees” lot.

Yes, and a very competitive course it is, law (and they were accepted without sitting LSAT). But apart from these Ukrainians, some Russians spawned as well, coming in their G-wagon monsters with Crimean number plates!!!!! They don't go back for hols admittedly, but why on earth were those Russians from Crimea allowed in when this shit started in Ukraine?

As I said, we are being taken the piss out of.

He befriended them at uni? So they’re students?

Don't even start me on it - I fell out with my ds over it. He befriended some Ukrainians at uni and he believes every word they say. For the past 2 years they have been living here most of the year, having tried Poland first, then Germany, and then the UK. And every summer they drive (!!!!!) to Odessa and back, because apparently they want proper food and proper looking after, food in the UK is 'disgusting', because manicures and hairdressing in the UK is 'disgusting' and because our medicine is 'third world'. But this year it was truly - astounding - they invited my ds to join them (I did not let him go and he is not on speakers with me now) because - listen to this - he (my ds) can easily buy an international driving license there and use it in the UK like they do - they said, worry not, we all bought our licenses, so it won't be a problem. (My ds did not pass his test and shared this information).

They way we are legally (legally) abused is unbelievable. I posted before about my ex SIL (Bulgarian) who cost the UK taxpayer I don't know how much with her extended family (all sponging off was legal, no fake IDs or anything).

Ukraine conscripted men so the people needing refuge were women and children. That’s the difference. If refugees are mostly women and children they are treated far, far better by the government — add them being white on top and you get joker situations like this.

Bear in mind that many for refugees who come from Afghanistan or Iraq or Africa there are NO legal routes to even apply for refugee status to the UK.

It has to be the nearest non-European safe country who don’t offer the same support or security - usually Turkey or Egypt. It’s resulted in people seeking asylum for being gay / political dissidents being hunted down by their countries and murdered with officials not even batting an eyelash

Tell that to the people killed in Lviv this morning.

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