Refugees "visiting home"

Unlike the wonderful British criminals hiding out in Spain! https://murciatoday.com/six_down_seven_to_go_uk_most_wanted_criminals_still_hiding_out_in_spain_2012430-a.html
Eh you do know UK is no longer in the EU....and 'the standards are too low' - from a country where over 3.12 million people used a food bank in the past year!

The long running Ukraine thread has frequently been targeted by Russian disinformation, can’t see why this one would be any different. It’s a known tactic in the hybrid war being waged against the West to promote Russian talking points.

Thank you for putting this point across. I too had rose-tinted spectacles before my brother married a Bulgarian woman (they are divorced now). She came here illegally prior to 2004 and overstayed her student visa (language school). She then married my brother and moved in with him. Unbeknown to him, she registered her mum, dad and sister for GP purposes and from that moment on they started flying into UK for treatment, staying with them. As time went on, she brought them over and they are now in a council-paid care home, mum and dad (and sister in a council flat). None of them paid a penny into the system, all of them defrauded it. The family have multiple properties in Sunny Beach area which she rents out, but she does not declare it when claiming benefits (they are divorced now). My twerp of a brother refused to dob her in with the properties when they were going through the courts for maintenance and child contact. She now fakes a neurological condition, claims benefits and they now make her pee into a bottle for tests (she fakes the condition but does not take the drugs they prescribe). When I challenged her and asked if it is fair her freeloading family is leeching off the UK (it was 7 years ago), she looked at me and said - we are all equal EU members now, if you want to send YOUR parents to a care home in Bulgaria, nothing stops you. It is a lie, first of all, because Bulgarian state care homes won't accept foreigners, and secondly, no Brit would ever want to go there - the standards are too low.

You must consider yourself a chicken, since you live in a chicken hut. I take pride in my home

It was me calling our tiny London/ uk houses chicken huts as a joke. Actually re reading what I wrote, I didn’t even say chicken huts, I just said tiny and over crowded, it was you who said the word chicken huts.

op, are you a Russian bot? Your arguments make no sense

Do you want to know WHY everyone calls them refugees???

BECAUSE THEY ARE REFUGEES!!

And there you have it 😑. I think you’ll find the UN consider Russian torture of Ukrainians to be systemic, that’s not true of the other way around.

The BBC calls them refugees.

Ukrainian refugees - BBC News

The Council on Foreign Affairs calls them refugees.

The Russia-Ukraine War: How Bad Is the Humanitarian Crisis? (cfr.org)

Sure, there's always brave people who would fight back and those who are scared and try to save their life

people protect their family either way

Who am I to judge in a safe country in my chicken hut?

If not run away to the safe country and call their houses "chicken huts"

good

who cares

justice, not soft justice like in uk

a taste of their own medicine

id hurt anyone who tries to hurt and kill my loved one and destroy my home

Where's the report on that please?

Unfortunately, the ukrainians do that to the russians, too

The UK government calls them refugees.

UK government's humanitarian response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Exactly

Sorry to hear how she and her son are feeling. That was very kind of your husband.

My neighbour goes back four or five times a year and takes her daughter with her (she was four when I first met them). She has no qualms about going but always leaves her teenage son here (to avoid being drafted, I’m guessing- he’s 18 or 19 now).

We don’t even know if it’s a he, that poster said one of the refugees, no mention of gender

This is all total speculation - none of you know him or anything about him!

Maybe he didn't want to be tortured or raped by Russians?
www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/06/4/7459183/

Yes that’s my point

it was a desperate situation, facing death, that made him run, he didn’t give up his comfortable life for no good reason

Do you want to try to justify the Russian invasion?
Or mass rape? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/30/europe/russia-sexual-violence-occupied-ukraine-intl-cmd/index.html
Or other human rights abuses?
https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/iicihr-ukraine/index

Do you really believe ukrainian officials do not also accept bribes?

I’m not sure what you are trying to argue

i am saying the exact same thing you are saying

it was a threat of death/desperate situation that made him leave

even if you believe that men should be forced to fight and those who don’t are cowards and shouldn’t be allowed to be refugees, you agree facing death is a horrible situation right? And that he will be facing death right?

that poster basically said you can’t be a refugee if you have money, implying he’s here for other reasons

and I just said that it must have been a very terrible situation/threat of death that made him leave his comfortable life behind

he didn’t run here for no good reason

weather you believe its right or not that men can escape war is right or not, is a completely different topic

Well, men under 25 and over 60 years of age, as well as persons who are declared unfit and excluded from the lists of persons liable for military service, aren't subject to mobilization.
Have you ever been conscripted and had to fight a war?