Refugees "visiting home"

Obviously, if you question ukrainians, you must be a bot 🙄
"Russian SPEAKING" - exactly, and you are not the only one having then in wherever you work

I think a tiny tiny proportion of asylum seekers are persecuted and in fear of their lives. They just want better lives. As soon as they get leave to remain and a travel document many want to go home and visit the families they left behind and want to support.

I don’t blame them at all. It’s just human. I don’t think many are actually refugees as was originally understood under the legislation. They are just doing what they can to move for opportunity and that means claiming asylum and going through the motions.

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And there must be so many stories like this - such huge loss and terror and trauma. I really think people should reflect on what they'd do in the situation the Ukrainians find themselves in - through no fault of their own.

Tbh I admire their restraint a lot - I can’t guarantee that I would be so restrained in the position of Ukrainian defenders who take invaders captive.

My dd has a friend who fled Ukraine with her mother in the first few weeks of the war. Divorced parents. Luckily, they already had family in the UK.

They returned very briefly earlier this year. To attend her father’s funeral. And to visit her devastated grandparents. Was it entirely safe? Probably not. Was it entirely understandable? Absolutely.

I agree, you are right

i didnt really mean what i said

i am just so angry and sick of reading horrible stories and photos of rape and murder and child abuse in Ukraine, the world, and right here in the uk and no/hardly any justice I snapped and made an emotional comment.

OP I'm going to tell you about my nephew and his girlfriend.

My nephews girlfriend is Ukrainian, she is from a town in the north near the board that was sieged pretty much immediately, her family fled in the middle of the night 3 young adult children and both parents with just what they could fit in the car.
Her dad and brothers couldn't leave, both her brothers signed up to join the fight immediately, her mum refused to leave her dad and her elderly parents who wouldn't leave either.
Her aunt and cousins travelled with her to Poland and she continued to the UK with a friend. I should say she was 19 when this was happening. They stayed with a sponsor and her friend decided to return to Ukraine after 6 months, she found the homesickness to hard to handle and her family had settled in the west. This girl stayed, worked and went to university.
She and my nephew have been together for about 18 months. She has been back a few times without him in that time.
Earlier this year her brother who had been on the frontline passed away, he was only 26. My nephew insisted on going with her for the funeral. They spent 3 days and 2 nights with her family who settled in Kyiv. He told me there were air raid sirens, a missile attack not all that far away, the electricity and water kept cutting out and in general he was terrified. It wasn't safe but her family were just getting on with it. It wasn't safe, he was scared for his life. But her family had just lost her brother and she wanted to be there for them.
She felt awful leaving but her parents insisted she had to go and make something of her life and they wouldn't lose a child if they didn't have to.

It's awful. It's not safe, they go back as this is their family and their home. She couldn't possibly stay there. Not only would she be a drain on limited resources but she wouldn't be safe at all.

There'd be no reason for a pro Ukrainian bot to target a site like MN, however. And if they did, it's not going to look like this thread.

Personally I like Oleksandr Usyk’s charity….

Every country has bots, including Ukraine.

This is how the world works nowadays.

Guess if your friend or family member decided to get revenge after his child was raped and killed you’d report him too

I don't think some of them have realised that there's now an MN tradition of donating to the Ukrainian armed forces whenever an obvious shill is spotted...

Reported.

My SIL hosted a Ukrainian mum & her son (12-ish). She didn’t work back home so didn’t see why she should work here. Received the monthly payment from th government but sent it home/used it for holidays as they had plenty of money. She didn’t do a bit of housework while she was there despite making a lot of mess and frequently went home for lovely holidays. Last I heard she was arguing with the council because they insisted she get a job if she was getting a council house and she objected because working was not for her. Guess all societies have a-holes 🤷🏻‍♀️

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You have a point, but from everything I’ve seen, this is not systematically done by the Ukrainians to the Russians as it is by Russians to Ukrainians. I’m not saying that there aren’t the odd “rogue” (if you like) guys but the key is that it isn’t authorised or done systematically.

If you see pictures of prisoners being exchanged, it’s evident that the Russians have been well treated in Ukraine, and they routinely allow international inspectors in, which russia doesn’t.

Indeed. It's a shame for anyone who's actually got genuine questions, but unfortunately this has been happening on MN for some time now. I don't think people always realise the extent to which MN gets targeted.

They're not though.

Yep, that user using the word chicken huts

i remember my Russian speaking colleague always using that word to describe a tiny home

its a very common Russian saying

This is all a bit Jackanory.

Well, if all the refugees squeezed into the bits of Ukraine not currently at risk of bombing, there would be crises of hunger, unemployment, housing, disease outbreaks etc. which would make the country even more of a mess than it is now.

Refugees don't have a safe home. It makes sense for them to spread out.

I know a Ukrainian refugee who risked returning to Ukraine for dental treatment rather than attempting to find it on the NHS!

I mean if its that safe you could go and live in the town thats been destroyed.