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Refugees "visiting home"

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Notanotherkendoll · 04/09/2024 09:03

I'm not sure how I feel after this conversation with a friend so would like to hear other opinions.
My friend took in a Ukrainian refugee back in 2022, she was a 18/19 year old teenager. She didn't stay for long before getting employment/started studying and was able to move out but they have remained in touch and my friend sort of views herself as the girls "uk mum".
Anyway friend is once again beside herself as she has gone back to Kyiv for a few days. This isn't the city she is from but sadly the city she was from was under siege for sometime and is now mostly destroyed. She is going to visit her family who all moved to Kyiv, as the only girl her family pushed her to flee when the war started but her mum stayed put.

This has me thinking, surely if it is safe enough for her to return home to visit, it's safe enough for her to move back? I thought the whole point of being a refugee was that your own country wasn't safe, if you are going back to visit how can that be the case?

AIBU to think it's incompatible with the very nature of being a refugee to be able to visit home?

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herecomesautumn · 05/09/2024 08:22

"I have not problem with you"

😏

amigafan2003 · 05/09/2024 08:13

Buddenbruchs · 05/09/2024 05:29

We also had a Ukrainian refugee stay with us.Quite a bit older, mid 30s, and from a city some way from the fighting (although it had experienced a couple of missile strikes). She also managed to find a job and moved out, now got a boyfriend and seems relatively happy/settled. But she too has visited her parents in Ukraine. It’s not an easy trip I believe but she’s done it several times and spends a week or two there. I can’t get too wound up about it tbh. She’s working and paying her taxes etc.

Why would whether or not someone working and paying taxes change the way you feel in terms of compassion towards thier situation of fleeing a warzone?

Newgreendress · 05/09/2024 08:09

KylieAndBaby01 · 04/09/2024 23:34

Nah a Russian bot would totally say make their username Russianbot and Putin lover101

It’s called copying and pasting, literally takes two seconds, another thing they didn’t teach you at putin university comrade

and here’s another fun fact for you, the uk is home to millions of immigrants, many half British, and many bilingual, not just British or Ukrainian ones, which could be reason why I’m familiar with Russian words, you just assume I’m 100 percent British

Nah but they totally would use a Russian saying chicken hut multiple times

deflecting, deflecting because I caught you

I know you have a job to do Andrei, and pennies to make, but this convo is over

dont drink all that vodka at once, you still have a lot of fighting ahead of you and typing on female gossip forums is not a skill that is valued in war

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Nah a Russian bot would totally say make their username Russianbot and Putin lover101
While ukrainian wives definitely would put that in their username? haha

re the source of russian words - right back at you, Oxana.

I am not going to read or argue with the rest of your post - it's pointless, as for some reason you are unwilling to admit that you are a ukrainian wife, probably fled you 'wonderful' country years before the start of the war.
I have not problem with you or anyone else being a ukrainian wife, just makes this thread misleading

Anonym00se · 05/09/2024 08:03

Gogogo12345 · 05/09/2024 07:57

Shitty weather in the UK? Have you actually BEEN to Ukraine? Makes our weather look almost tropical

Really? My guest constantly tells me “It’s 30 degrees and bright sunshine back home today”. Her online (Ukrainian) English teacher was complaining that it had been so cold as it was only 26 degrees in July when it was 14 here and raining every day. They do have very cold winters though.

Gogogo12345 · 05/09/2024 07:57

KylieAndBaby01 · 04/09/2024 16:43

Yeah I’m sure this wealthy guy left his gorgeous much nicer fancy massive house in Ukraine, his fancy toys, luxury life, fancy great job and home country where he was very comfortable and well off with his loved ones and friends around to move to shitty weather cost of living crisis foreign country to live in a tiny uk house crowded with a bunch of stranger room mates who make sad faces and offer charity, and be surrounded by neighbours like you to judge his situation, because he wanted to/his will

I’m sure he just dreamed to downgrade his lifestyle, not like he had no choice

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Shitty weather in the UK? Have you actually BEEN to Ukraine? Makes our weather look almost tropical

Buddenbruchs · 05/09/2024 05:29

We also had a Ukrainian refugee stay with us.Quite a bit older, mid 30s, and from a city some way from the fighting (although it had experienced a couple of missile strikes). She also managed to find a job and moved out, now got a boyfriend and seems relatively happy/settled. But she too has visited her parents in Ukraine. It’s not an easy trip I believe but she’s done it several times and spends a week or two there. I can’t get too wound up about it tbh. She’s working and paying her taxes etc.

Nataliaa · 05/09/2024 00:14

If I am 💯 honest, I will admit I’ve wondered the same thing a few times. I’m just being honest. Yet, I only had to read the first couple of pages on here to realise how obvious it is to take that risk, or potentially not see your family for years- possibly ever. I feel ashamed for even wondering why now.

KylieAndBaby01 · 04/09/2024 23:55

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KylieAndBaby01 · 04/09/2024 23:44

Newgreendress · 04/09/2024 19:55

Obviously, if you question ukrainians, you must be a bot 🙄
"Russian SPEAKING" - exactly, and you are not the only one having then in wherever you work

lets play this game then

lets say I’m not polish who’s lived in the uk since I was a kid and I’m a Ukrainian wife. That changes what exactly? you really have to lay off the vodka Nikolai

that changes the fact you are a Russian troll who was caught?

im listening

KylieAndBaby01 · 04/09/2024 23:34

Newgreendress · 04/09/2024 23:08

Now I am a man (in a anew green dress?) LOL
Okay, Oxana, I won't for a second believe you are not ukrainian, and casually googling 'tovarisch', most British won't remember that word from the top of their heads.

Nah a Russian bot would totally say make their username Russianbot and Putin lover101

It’s called copying and pasting, literally takes two seconds, another thing they didn’t teach you at putin university comrade

and here’s another fun fact for you, the uk is home to millions of immigrants, many half British, and many bilingual, not just British or Ukrainian ones, which could be reason why I’m familiar with Russian words, you just assume I’m 100 percent British

Nah but they totally would use a Russian saying chicken hut multiple times

deflecting, deflecting because I caught you

I know you have a job to do Andrei, and pennies to make, but this convo is over

dont drink all that vodka at once, you still have a lot of fighting ahead of you and typing on female gossip forums is not a skill that is valued in war

Newgreendress · 04/09/2024 23:08

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Now I am a man (in a anew green dress?) LOL
Okay, Oxana, I won't for a second believe you are not ukrainian, and casually googling 'tovarisch', most British won't remember that word from the top of their heads.

LostittoBostik · 04/09/2024 23:05

Howdull · 04/09/2024 09:07

It isn't safe for her to return home to Ukraine as there is a war on.

She's obviously chosen to do so because she misses her family. Give her a break for goodness sake.

Yes this is right.

I'm not sure what's so hard to understand OP? She's having an awful time, is desperate to see her family and home
and is taking a huge risk to do it

herecomesautumn · 04/09/2024 23:02

@Newgreendress You're just like a poor waif in his underwear

herecomesautumn · 04/09/2024 22:48

@AgileGreenSeal "reported"?

Fucking hell.

MellersSmellers · 04/09/2024 22:24

Sfxde24 · 04/09/2024 19:40

I think a tiny tiny proportion of asylum seekers are persecuted and in fear of their lives. They just want better lives. As soon as they get leave to remain and a travel document many want to go home and visit the families they left behind and want to support.

I don’t blame them at all. It’s just human. I don’t think many are actually refugees as was originally understood under the legislation. They are just doing what they can to move for opportunity and that means claiming asylum and going through the motions.

I think most people would think that anyone who leaves their home/country due to WAR meets the definition of Refugee.

MellersSmellers · 04/09/2024 22:18

Risking danger in order to make a short visit to your family is different from living there. Why do you resent a young girl looking to complete her education and start a career in readiness to return to her family when the situation allows? I'm gobsmacked at your thought process.

KylieAndBaby01 · 04/09/2024 22:14

Newgreendress · 04/09/2024 21:14

Only russians ukrainians say tovarisch, so you must be ukrainina bot, For a 'colleague' of russain speaking person, you've herd quite a lot of russian words, interesting, isn't it?
As I said, a lot of ukraininan wives here passionately 'fighting russians' from the comfort of their home

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You are so mad you got caught, typing on a woman’s gossip forum all day like a female instead of being a protector and provider, a real man

these wives are doing more fighting than you ever wcould

id rather passionately fight online as woman than type for pennies like you, Ivan

youd learn soon when they draft you, don’t worry, good luck

KylieAndBaby01 · 04/09/2024 22:12

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Lavender14 · 04/09/2024 21:29

Notanotherkendoll · 04/09/2024 09:03

I'm not sure how I feel after this conversation with a friend so would like to hear other opinions.
My friend took in a Ukrainian refugee back in 2022, she was a 18/19 year old teenager. She didn't stay for long before getting employment/started studying and was able to move out but they have remained in touch and my friend sort of views herself as the girls "uk mum".
Anyway friend is once again beside herself as she has gone back to Kyiv for a few days. This isn't the city she is from but sadly the city she was from was under siege for sometime and is now mostly destroyed. She is going to visit her family who all moved to Kyiv, as the only girl her family pushed her to flee when the war started but her mum stayed put.

This has me thinking, surely if it is safe enough for her to return home to visit, it's safe enough for her to move back? I thought the whole point of being a refugee was that your own country wasn't safe, if you are going back to visit how can that be the case?

AIBU to think it's incompatible with the very nature of being a refugee to be able to visit home?

Yes yabu.

I think firstly you underestimate what it actually involves to leave everything you know and care about behind to start a completely new life elsewhere, to go through the asylum process which is invasive, hostile and lengthy and to eventually start to build friendships and a network and create a life for yourself.

Obviously things in any country can settle/ get better/ more peaceful/ different groups in power. Do you seriously think that means that people claiming asylum from there should once again forego a life they've just spent years building to move back and start from scratch there again? There's a huge difference between living somewhere and visiting briefly.

Newgreendress · 04/09/2024 21:14

KylieAndBaby01 · 04/09/2024 20:49

ok lmao whatever you say tovarisch vlad

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Only russians ukrainians say tovarisch, so you must be ukrainina bot, For a 'colleague' of russain speaking person, you've herd quite a lot of russian words, interesting, isn't it?
As I said, a lot of ukraininan wives here passionately 'fighting russians' from the comfort of their home

KylieAndBaby01 · 04/09/2024 20:56

Newgreendress · 04/09/2024 20:31

Are you sure you are not ukrainian/ukrainina wife? re 'Russian SPEAKING' - so much of 'wider knowledge of the world' as pp said

There’s many eastern euros in the uk. A little something they didn’t teach you in putin university

My Lithuanian/latvian Russian speaking co worker used that word, said she lives in a home on chicken legs in English and explained what that meant when I asked what she meant.

but you enjoy those +100 rubles, you’ve earned them today nikolai. Hope you’re able to afford that vodka today

weAllWanttheBest · 04/09/2024 20:53

I know quite few who regularly visit back, even the 75 year olds.
I had one which just went back completely. These are very interesting times and sometimes people would prefer to die even so , but be home

KylieAndBaby01 · 04/09/2024 20:49

Newgreendress · 04/09/2024 19:55

Obviously, if you question ukrainians, you must be a bot 🙄
"Russian SPEAKING" - exactly, and you are not the only one having then in wherever you work

ok lmao whatever you say tovarisch vlad

Newgreendress · 04/09/2024 20:31

KylieAndBaby01 · 04/09/2024 18:35

Yep, that user using the word chicken huts

i remember my Russian speaking colleague always using that word to describe a tiny home

its a very common Russian saying

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Are you sure you are not ukrainian/ukrainina wife? re 'Russian SPEAKING' - so much of 'wider knowledge of the world' as pp said

twodowntwotogo · 04/09/2024 19:58

Sfxde24 · 04/09/2024 19:40

I think a tiny tiny proportion of asylum seekers are persecuted and in fear of their lives. They just want better lives. As soon as they get leave to remain and a travel document many want to go home and visit the families they left behind and want to support.

I don’t blame them at all. It’s just human. I don’t think many are actually refugees as was originally understood under the legislation. They are just doing what they can to move for opportunity and that means claiming asylum and going through the motions.

You 'think'? Why not do some research and inform yourself?
For example
The highest number of asylum seekers in the UK come from Afghanistan (the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan) where there are ongoing and often horrific human rights abuses, for example gender-based violence and oppression and the torture and sexual abuse of detainees and a history of invasion by and conflict with more powerful countries such as Britain and the USSR.
There is extremely widespread hunger exacerbated by western financial and aid blockades and drought means it has been described as undergoing 'one of the world's worst humanitarian crises'. See the report here https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/afghanistan-0

As well as living in real fear of persecution by the Taliban, two-thirds of the population need aid to survive. That means basic basic food. So maybe revise your 'tiny tiny proportion' speculation which is clearly not based on any real knowledge.

Afghan refugees return to Afghanistan from Pakistan, in Torkham, Afghanistan, November 3, 2023

World Report 2024: Rights Trends in Afghanistan

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/afghanistan-0