Refugees "visiting home"

Some people are so desperate to see their family they will risk everything. If I had a child in a war torn country and I could visit them I would. I'd consider risking my life the price I had to pay.

This girl is making a short visit, balancing the risk against her needs. Long visits I wouldnt understand.

I understand what you’re saying, and I’m wondering the same thing, but maybe they’re not in immediate danger from the Taliban if they’re only visiting for a few days and they really want to keep in touch with their family.

Maybe her n is sticky

What does that mean? Is that just an innocent typo or is there something more to it? I have no idea what it means or if there’s a hidden meaning to it.

Exactly. I hope she has a safe trip. Must be so hard to be away for that long, knowing your home city is destroyed, your family are in danger and your brothers/uncles/father are fighting and at risk.

you used Ukrainina way too many times in your posts to be a typo

But that’s not the test for refugee status- whether or not somewhere is an ok place to live. To be honest Ukraine is still at war so I can understand the need for asylum. But I find it a bit more difficult in the case of Afghanistan. If you had to flee persecution from the Taliban-why would you visit?

Exactly. And even Lviv has just been hit - people have died and been injured as a result. Everyone always says Lviv is so safe but it’s really not if this can happen any time.

OP,
I've just been talking to my nephew who's girlfriend is Ukrainian and it really made me think of this post.
If I understood your first post correctly this girl is in Kyiv right now. If that is the case, last night Kyiv spent 8 hours under air raid alert due to drone attacks. There were explosions.

No it is not safe. That is the risk she has taken in going home to see family. We can all decide for ourselves if that is a risk we would be willing to take but it's absolutely not safe and no one should have to live under those conditions.

Well exactly - I'm appalled at the lack of historic perspective so many posters have.

We gave her a home and food. I think that says what my feelings about refugees are. What a weird take. My point was if folk do have an issue with refugees going home she at least paid for her own ticket and wasn’t depending on charities or the government to fund it.

Some of my father's family left Germany one step ahead of the trains to gas chambers.

One at least of them went back to Germany as soon as the war was over to help start rebuilding the universities there. He had a job here but used his holidays to do what he felt was an important work there.

I'm so glad that small-minded people here didn't question his right to have taken refuge here, or his right to continue to live here (and pay taxes here, and suffer shortages here...) while helping the poor benighted country he'd escaped from a few years earlier.

If they've been here "many years", they are probably naturalized citizens, the circumstances they fled from have changed, and they have built a life here. Why shouldn't they visit home?

Never made a typo, have you? 🙄
I also said "ukrainina" Enjoy😁

There seem to be some people for whom anyone who is not "properly British" is a lesser breed without the law and deserves to be despised – and forbidden to go on holidays or visit their family.

I don't think I have ever met anyone with no immigrants in their family tree at all, though they may have to go back a few years (or decades, or centuries) before their noses are rubbed in the fact that they are no more "properly British" than I am, or than anyone some of whose family escaped from Nazi Germany.

On what grounds?
I think you're confused.

My Ukranian friend has lived here for 20 years, so not a refugee, she goes back to Ukraine twice a years to see family and the country she loves. Her village has been untouched by the war, Ukraine is a huge place. Even if this persons family is still in a war torn area I can totally understand her going back to visit, she must miss her family so very much, worry about them too. No one can begrudge her that.

It's a very long time since there were wars in Pakistan and India. Many came here after partition in the 1940s, before my time.

n 1971, West and East Pakistan fought in the Bangladesh Liberation War. This led to the creation of Bangladesh on 16 December 1971. Bangladeshi refugees came here.

Refugees also came here from Kenya and Uganda I particularly remember those from Uganda in the early 1970s when Idi Amin persecuted and expelled them. Their ethnicity was Indian sub-continent.

They can all go back for holidays now that it is safe to do so, thank goodness. It must be very hard to leave so much behind. However they assimilated well here.

Refugees from Syria would be in no hurry to return, poor souls.

Well if they were granted asylum from India/Pakistan and return there, they risk losing their leave to remain in the UK.

However there may be details that you are not aware of. Is it not the case that some refugees from Afghanistan who were in refugee camps in India and Pakistan were eventually awarded asylum in the UK?

In which case there is nothing to stop them visiting India or Pakistan because that is not the country they were awarded asylum from.

@PandoraSox Pakistan and India

I've been there in both Oct and Dec and it's bloody painful with the weather. No wonder all the people were miserable there ( and can't blame the war as that was before then)

That has literally NOTHING to do with refugees, asylum seekers and Ukrainians. What a daft post. Go to a Brexit thread with your anecdote
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NOT UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS LAND.

which is precisely WHY they can travel back home and not jeopardise their status as asylum seekers. Because they are NOT GIVEN ASYLUM HERE so they are not asylum seekers.

Which country are they from and now visiting?

OP this is something I've sometimes thought about. In my small town there are families who were Asylum Seekers and now after many years they hoilday in the same country they fled from, after getting permanent residency in the UK.