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Did I do the wrong thing?

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BurtTheDurt · 03/09/2024 10:24

Last week I was on the train, it was a few stops until it terminated. A group of 3 girls got on, I’d guess they were barely into their teens. It was busy so I was stood near the door, about 8 feet away. A ticket inspector who had been making his way down asked for their tickets which they showed to him. It quickly became clear they’d been bought the tickets by an adult which means they’re cheaper but the adult wasn’t accompanying them. The inspector began really telling them off, saying they would need to get off at the next stop or give their details. I could see they were panicking and one became tearful. I decided in the moment to step forward and say I was with them and that I’d moved further up so they could chat without me overhearing. The inspector seemed a bit annoyed but moved on. The girls thanked me and I moved back to my original spot.

I mentioned this to a family member in passing when we met for lunch. They said I shouldn’t have interfered and why would I approach a group of teenage girls anyway (I’m 41F with my own teen DD if it makes any difference. I thought I was being helpful and I’d honestly hope someone else would do the same if it was my DD. Did I overstep here?

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Isthisasgoodasitis · 07/09/2024 11:19

BurtTheDurt · 03/09/2024 10:24

Last week I was on the train, it was a few stops until it terminated. A group of 3 girls got on, I’d guess they were barely into their teens. It was busy so I was stood near the door, about 8 feet away. A ticket inspector who had been making his way down asked for their tickets which they showed to him. It quickly became clear they’d been bought the tickets by an adult which means they’re cheaper but the adult wasn’t accompanying them. The inspector began really telling them off, saying they would need to get off at the next stop or give their details. I could see they were panicking and one became tearful. I decided in the moment to step forward and say I was with them and that I’d moved further up so they could chat without me overhearing. The inspector seemed a bit annoyed but moved on. The girls thanked me and I moved back to my original spot.

I mentioned this to a family member in passing when we met for lunch. They said I shouldn’t have interfered and why would I approach a group of teenage girls anyway (I’m 41F with my own teen DD if it makes any difference. I thought I was being helpful and I’d honestly hope someone else would do the same if it was my DD. Did I overstep here?

What you did was harmless and supportive of the future those girls could become politicians and your act of kindness will be remembered

Frustratedmum1 · 07/09/2024 11:08

You absolutely did the right thing. My daughter (14 at the time )was travelling by train alone one day. She was originally travelling to a different station and had a ticket for that (same price). Once through the barriers the plan had to change and she had to catch the train back to near our home to get home safely. She couldn’t go back through barriers to buy a ticket and so planned to explain and purchase a new ticket if required on the train which is usually an option. A ticket inspector asked for her ticket (not the train guard who sells them) and she explained the situation and he tore into her that as she hadn’t got a valid ticket and came from a manned station she had to pay a penalty fare and demanded her details. She rang me crying saying he wanted her details and should she give them. I spoke to him and explained situation and he refused to listen and insisted on issuing the penalty even though she had a ticket same face value and had not physically been able to buy a replacement at the station. She was so upset and all around her were sticking up for her and having a go at the man but he insisted. Disgusting way to treat a child that wasn’t trying to get away with not paying just through no fault of her own needed to buy a new ticket on the train! No one could help her in that situation but I was grateful the other adults were supporting her on the train. You absolutely did the correct thing.

Emmz1510 · 07/09/2024 07:57

You did a good thing and why would your friend query your choice to approach a group of teenage girls? They must have been only 13 or so from how you describe them- quite a vulnerable group not a bunch of troublemaking neds as some people seem to view all teens these days. Good on you.

GinLover198 · 07/09/2024 07:55

I did this myself a few weeks ago. The conductor actually asked if any adult would ‘adopt’ some teens for the journey so they’d get cheaper tickets. I said I’d easily do that but I wasn’t paying for their lunch!!!

Northernladdette · 07/09/2024 07:40

Why are teen fares cheaper if accompanied by an adult?

Isitovernow123 · 07/09/2024 07:30

Well done for stepping in - it’s what and individual should do when someone else’s error is impacting on young children. 👏

imforeverblowingbuttons · 04/09/2024 09:19

We once booked a train, reserved seats. When it arrived it was missing a carriage! So there's a whole lot of people suddenly with no seats. We sat in first class as did many others. Who did the ticket inspector kick up a fuss with? Three teen girls, we told him there was no where to sit or stand else where so he shouldn't be removing anyone it's not the customers fault the entire train didn't turn up!. He mumbled something about not eating the free snacks and walked off.

Errors · 04/09/2024 08:58

BurtTheDurt · 04/09/2024 07:55

You’re right. People I’ve never met or will meet giving me my flowers is what I live for. Fucking hell love

Most people do these days though, a good deed isn’t a good dead anymore unless it gets posted on the internet somewhere and receives kudos from others.
Im not saying what you did was wrong, but this is a little ‘wide-eyed - please tell me I am a good person’ for me.
But look, only you know your intentions behind this post and if I am wrong then I apologise

Tmpnmc86 · 04/09/2024 08:42

I once bought teenagers who were being kicked out of Macdonald's on a rotten rainy evening a round of drinks and fries so they could stay longer. They were sat quietly and I don't think a similar group of adults would have been approached the way they were.

Tmpnmc86 · 04/09/2024 08:39

I would hope something would do that for my DD. I think train companies should have to take safeguarding into account and kicking children off a train in an unfamiliar station should not be allowed.

One of my children had an awful experience on one of his first ventures onto public transport. At one point we'd thought this child would never be capable to taking public transport so it was a big step and the experience really knocked back his progress.

BurtTheDurt · 04/09/2024 07:55

Errors · 04/09/2024 07:52

I voted YABU but only because you know you did absolutely nothing wrong and wanted to post this to get a massive virtual pat on the back

You’re right. People I’ve never met or will meet giving me my flowers is what I live for. Fucking hell love

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Errors · 04/09/2024 07:52

I voted YABU but only because you know you did absolutely nothing wrong and wanted to post this to get a massive virtual pat on the back

BurtTheDurt · 04/09/2024 07:50

Thanks all!

I was 99% sure it was a good thing but my family member (and some people in here) put a seed of doubt in my mind.

I just wanted to say to those who thought I shouldn’t have done it that if something like this happens in front of you one day you might show a little care and compassion. It will do everyone the world of good.

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AppropriateAdult · 03/09/2024 22:17

You did a nice thing, OP, and your family
member is nuts. We live in societies, not bubbles.

randoname · 03/09/2024 21:12

HellonHeels · 03/09/2024 13:18

Greater Anglia are generally a shitshow though there's the odd.decent person in their uniforms.

Not OK to get aggressive or intimidating to teenage girls.

Not Anglia but there was a big group of drunk lairy lads on the train last night ticketless. As the ticket collector came round they laughingly said they’d got on the wrong train and wee getting off the next stop. The ticket collector passed by- they definitely pick their battles.

HerVagestyTheQueef · 03/09/2024 21:07

Sethera · 03/09/2024 17:08

I know that - did you not read the quote history? I was responding to a poster who said the rail companies losing a few quid made no difference.

Oh come on, the PP was clearly not talking about serial fare dodging, but a situation such as in the OP; the odd instance where the ticket inspector could have used a bit of judgement and discretion, a bit of “benefit of the doubt” rather than officiousness and high handedness with children.

Sethera · 03/09/2024 18:52

LittleLegsKeepGoing · 03/09/2024 17:52

Giving your details = disproportionate fine

The girls had tickets to travel from A-B, they were just missing the adult part of the group which could have been for any number of genuinely innocent reasons. They weren't trying to pull a fast one from their reactions. In exactly the same circumstances I'd have done the same - this is the specific question being asked by the OP.

I don't condone people who fare skip, and frankly I've had enough exposure to teenagers to know when they're trying it on. It's called using your judgement, I have enough empathy in me to err on the side of humanity rather than capitalism.

OP could have remonstrated with the ticket collector if she felt he was being too harsh, rather than lying to him.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 03/09/2024 17:58

I think tickets are cheaper for kids when bought together with an adult ticket. At least in some areas.

I think it was a nice thing to do OP. They must have been mortified.

LittleLegsKeepGoing · 03/09/2024 17:52

Sethera · 03/09/2024 17:39

The OP says they were told they would have to give their details OR leave the train at the next stop. Why would they not give their details - so the adult who was responsible for them could sort the problem out?

Giving your details = disproportionate fine

The girls had tickets to travel from A-B, they were just missing the adult part of the group which could have been for any number of genuinely innocent reasons. They weren't trying to pull a fast one from their reactions. In exactly the same circumstances I'd have done the same - this is the specific question being asked by the OP.

I don't condone people who fare skip, and frankly I've had enough exposure to teenagers to know when they're trying it on. It's called using your judgement, I have enough empathy in me to err on the side of humanity rather than capitalism.

BurtTheDurt · 03/09/2024 17:52

HideousKinky · 03/09/2024 17:26

But surely he could tell by looking at your ticket that you were not the accompanying adult?

The adult ticket doesn’t have any indication you’re travelling with a child, only the child’s ticket states that they are accompanied by an adult. I don’t have a railcard or anything like that as I don’t take the train that often. The only thing that wouldn’t match up would be the station it was bought at and the destination. So he either didn’t check mine too well or it really wasn’t actually a problem in the first place

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Sethera · 03/09/2024 17:39

LittleLegsKeepGoing · 03/09/2024 17:31

If you're wrong, I'd be wrong too.

I've heard of far too many occasions where an innocent mistake/oversight has left teens, particularly girls ejected from public transport in places that aren't great...either from a direct safety perspective or from a simple logistics perspective of being able to get home.

I'd rather be complicit in a small fare avoidance issue than read about a teenager who'd been kicked off the train for the sake of a £2 incorrect ticket then been mugged.

The OP says they were told they would have to give their details OR leave the train at the next stop. Why would they not give their details - so the adult who was responsible for them could sort the problem out?

LittleLegsKeepGoing · 03/09/2024 17:31

If you're wrong, I'd be wrong too.

I've heard of far too many occasions where an innocent mistake/oversight has left teens, particularly girls ejected from public transport in places that aren't great...either from a direct safety perspective or from a simple logistics perspective of being able to get home.

I'd rather be complicit in a small fare avoidance issue than read about a teenager who'd been kicked off the train for the sake of a £2 incorrect ticket then been mugged.

HideousKinky · 03/09/2024 17:26

But surely he could tell by looking at your ticket that you were not the accompanying adult?

TOOearlyForChristmas · 03/09/2024 17:17

Safety trumps profit, esp when train costs are extortionate to begin with , and there were tickets there; he was being pedantic, and doing his job to the letter. They will do anything and everything to create loopholes. It is like health insurance; they'll get you any way they can!

ClaudiaWankleman · 03/09/2024 17:14

Sethera · 03/09/2024 17:08

I know that - did you not read the quote history? I was responding to a poster who said the rail companies losing a few quid made no difference.

Enforcing the minor bureaucratic rule that travelling with a person over 18 means a ticket costs £few less is the definition of being a jobsworth.