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AIBU in expecting my teen boys to have tidy rooms

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Newbutoldfather · 03/09/2024 08:59

I have two teen boys, early and mid teens. I expect them to keep their rooms tidy. This is non-negotiable. They need to be perfectly tidy at least once a week, so the cleaner can clean them. They can take water to their bedrooms but all other drink and food has to be eaten downstairs.

They have become pretty good at it and only need the odd nudge now, Also bedrooms are not ‘private space’. Unless the door is closed, in which case I will knock, we all go in one another’s rooms.

They can express their creativity (although don’t seem that bothered) by putting up posters or painting the walls (well, not personally, without help).

I think all the above is good role modelling and prepares them well for adult life, where spills, damage and rotting food have real consequences in terms of damaging a house and financial cost.

The reason I ask is the amount of threads where teenage rooms are vile with spills, rotting food and, less importantly, old and smelly clothes thrown anywhere and everywhere. And so many posters say that you have to respect their ‘private’ space and that they are teens and can’t help it (often, ridiculously, due to ‘lack of brain development.)

I wanted to do an AIBU to see if I was in the silent majority or if most people do see teen’s rooms as theirs to neglect and damage should they so wish.

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brunettemic · 04/09/2024 10:19

Newbutoldfather · 04/09/2024 09:47

@brunettemic ,

‘Only allowed water. ‘

They can eat in any room without a carpet, or the garden. That gives them a choice of about 4 rooms. We eat main meals together at the dining table.

‘Have to clean to your standards (either do it yourself or ask them to do it, not both). It has to be “perfect”, your word. ‘

They don’t have to clean at all! They have to do basic tidying. And if you find picking your clothes off the floor to be overly demanding, I have to disagree.

‘It has to be “perfect”, your word.’

Really! I think that is, in modern parlance, fake news. I either never used the word or you have taken it totally out of context.

‘You expect show house tidiness.’

Again, fake news…

‘Charge them for your time. Presumably you also reimburse them for their time if you make them go anywhere?’

Again, taken totally out of context. There has to be a consequence and it is loss of a small amount of their generous allowance. I do think it is important for them to realise that their parents aren’t slaves who just pick up after them.

‘You treat them like pupils in a school, look down on them rather than live with them.’

You have a poor opinion of schools. In a well run school , the teachers encourage and motivate happy achieving pupils. They certainly don’t look down on them. I try to emulate the principles of that, yes. But, no, it’s not a house share between friends. As I explain to them I will always listen to them and try and find a fair compromise but, ultimately, as I am the one taking the responsibility, I am the one with the final decision.

If this makes me a terribly controlling person, I can live with it.

I don’t a poor opinion of schools, I have a poor opinion of your rules. They certainly don’t encourage people to be “happy and motivated”, you dictate and punish.

Ultimately the entire conversation is pointless because you ask for opinions and then disagree with them anyway.

Newbutoldfather · 04/09/2024 09:47

@brunettemic ,

‘Only allowed water. ‘

They can eat in any room without a carpet, or the garden. That gives them a choice of about 4 rooms. We eat main meals together at the dining table.

‘Have to clean to your standards (either do it yourself or ask them to do it, not both). It has to be “perfect”, your word. ‘

They don’t have to clean at all! They have to do basic tidying. And if you find picking your clothes off the floor to be overly demanding, I have to disagree.

‘It has to be “perfect”, your word.’

Really! I think that is, in modern parlance, fake news. I either never used the word or you have taken it totally out of context.

‘You expect show house tidiness.’

Again, fake news…

‘Charge them for your time. Presumably you also reimburse them for their time if you make them go anywhere?’

Again, taken totally out of context. There has to be a consequence and it is loss of a small amount of their generous allowance. I do think it is important for them to realise that their parents aren’t slaves who just pick up after them.

‘You treat them like pupils in a school, look down on them rather than live with them.’

You have a poor opinion of schools. In a well run school , the teachers encourage and motivate happy achieving pupils. They certainly don’t look down on them. I try to emulate the principles of that, yes. But, no, it’s not a house share between friends. As I explain to them I will always listen to them and try and find a fair compromise but, ultimately, as I am the one taking the responsibility, I am the one with the final decision.

If this makes me a terribly controlling person, I can live with it.

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pinkducky · 04/09/2024 09:35

Hmm I had a childhood friend whose mother was really strict about her bedroom. Like you it was a water only rule, no food or snacks. She would also come in often and moan if we had 'made a mess' in her room. If I had a shower I had to squeegee the shower doors afterwards 😂

This was just one element of her overbearing parenting. As a friend I never felt comfortable at her house, and now she has children of her own (my god children) she actively tries to avoid parenting in the way that her mum did.

Werweisswohin · 04/09/2024 09:24

Newbutoldfather · 04/09/2024 09:20

@Werweisswohin ,

ahh, you have the monopoly on insults?! I didn’t realise, so sorry.

It is amazing how many see their own worst vice in others.

Eh?
I've made comments based on what you actually wrote.
You chose to insult me for daring to criticise you, not because you can actually determine whether I am actually 'bitter' or not. You haven't even indicated what you think I'm supposedly bitter about. You just chose a random and baseless insult.

YellowphantGrey · 04/09/2024 09:21

brunettemic · 04/09/2024 09:13

Only allowed water.
Have to clean to your standards (either do it yourself or ask them to do it, not both). It has to be “perfect”, your word.
You expect show house tidiness.
Their rooms aren’t their own space, they’re not babies anymore.
Charge them for your time. Presumably you also reimburse them for their time if you make them go anywhere?
You treat them like pupils in a school, look down on them rather than live with them.
You are with any opinion on the thread that isn’t the same as yours, that tells me a story.

You’re not allowing them to form habits, you’re enforcing rules and regulations.

This.

He is the worst type of person to have a discussion with as there is no discussion. It's very much an I'm right and you will listen to me type attitude. He comes across as though he he's that person in real life who never listens but lectures.

He's already accused me of being obsessed with him because I replied twice on the thread. I genuinely think he was expecting lots of one time posts of how impressed we all are, hence me suggesting he gets it moved to the Dads section.

Newbutoldfather · 04/09/2024 09:20

@Werweisswohin ,

ahh, you have the monopoly on insults?! I didn’t realise, so sorry.

It is amazing how many see their own worst vice in others.

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Werweisswohin · 04/09/2024 09:18

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Oh my, an insult, I'm so upset.

(Yes, that's irony. I've met a fair few controlling folk in my time. They also shut down any criticism with irrelevant insults).

brunettemic · 04/09/2024 09:13

Only allowed water.
Have to clean to your standards (either do it yourself or ask them to do it, not both). It has to be “perfect”, your word.
You expect show house tidiness.
Their rooms aren’t their own space, they’re not babies anymore.
Charge them for your time. Presumably you also reimburse them for their time if you make them go anywhere?
You treat them like pupils in a school, look down on them rather than live with them.
You are with any opinion on the thread that isn’t the same as yours, that tells me a story.

You’re not allowing them to form habits, you’re enforcing rules and regulations.

Newbutoldfather · 04/09/2024 09:12

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Werweisswohin · 04/09/2024 09:08

Newbutoldfather · 04/09/2024 09:06

Well I have one poster who is accusing me for wanting to take credit for what everyone does and another who finds me ridiculously controlling. It can hardly be both!

And I am really amused by how expecting 5-10 minutes tidying constitutes being ridiculously controlling.

I don’t know what you would think of some of the genuine ‘tiger’ parents whom I have met.

Your overall approach is controlling, not simply asking for a bit of tidying to be done.
Each comment reveals more of concern tbh.

Newbutoldfather · 04/09/2024 09:06

Well I have one poster who is accusing me for wanting to take credit for what everyone does and another who finds me ridiculously controlling. It can hardly be both!

And I am really amused by how expecting 5-10 minutes tidying constitutes being ridiculously controlling.

I don’t know what you would think of some of the genuine ‘tiger’ parents whom I have met.

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brunettemic · 04/09/2024 09:04

You sound ridiculously controlling. Hopefully they get a more balanced approach across the rest of their parenting.

Werweisswohin · 04/09/2024 08:56

Newbutoldfather · 04/09/2024 08:54

@Werweisswohin ,

Well, it is my thread!

So, ignoring the goading, why did you reply? What did you think your post, other than being a fun way to personally attack someone, added?

Some people get their online kicks from attacking others I guess.

Your reply is very ironic, considering your approach throughout.
I hope your poor boys are getting more rounded male examples elsewhere.

Newbutoldfather · 04/09/2024 08:54

@Werweisswohin ,

Well, it is my thread!

So, ignoring the goading, why did you reply? What did you think your post, other than being a fun way to personally attack someone, added?

Some people get their online kicks from attacking others I guess.

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Werweisswohin · 04/09/2024 08:51

Newbutoldfather · 04/09/2024 08:48

@Werweisswohin ,

‘What actually was the motive behind your post, other than to assume some sort of superiority? ‘

You see, this is such a bizarre question. Firstly it has already been asked and answered by me. But, to reiterate, I read a lot of threads on here about teens’ rooms bring smelly stinky pits and parents who just leave them like that, and it surprised me, because I am completely different, and so are all my friends.

So, I was curious how others lived. I think that is quite normal really. And, aside from the naked assumptions, attacks on my children and man-hating, I have gained some interesting perspectives.

‘I'm struggling to see anything useful or helpful.’

That is how social media works. You can easily ignore and move on if it is of no interest to you.

‘Your poor boys are people, not objects for you to control.’

Stupid and inflammatory statement. They are lucky both in terms of wealth and being loved by both parents. They have friends, hobbies, holidays and sports they enjoy. I have taught some ‘poor’ children, in every sense of the word. You should reserve your compassion for them, although I doubt that statement came from a place of compassion.

What was were you hoping your specific postwas going to add to this diverse and long standing discussion though? So far it seems to be your chance to exhibit what you think is superiority. What you've actually shown us is how to be a controlling and bullying parent who gives their children no privacy. None of us aspire to that. Again, your poor children, they deserve better.
I have met folk like you before, I know what you think you're doing, alas many of us can see it and speak up. Get your kicks elsewhere.

Newbutoldfather · 04/09/2024 08:48

@Werweisswohin ,

‘What actually was the motive behind your post, other than to assume some sort of superiority? ‘

You see, this is such a bizarre question. Firstly it has already been asked and answered by me. But, to reiterate, I read a lot of threads on here about teens’ rooms bring smelly stinky pits and parents who just leave them like that, and it surprised me, because I am completely different, and so are all my friends.

So, I was curious how others lived. I think that is quite normal really. And, aside from the naked assumptions, attacks on my children and man-hating, I have gained some interesting perspectives.

‘I'm struggling to see anything useful or helpful.’

That is how social media works. You can easily ignore and move on if it is of no interest to you.

‘Your poor boys are people, not objects for you to control.’

Stupid and inflammatory statement. They are lucky both in terms of wealth and being loved by both parents. They have friends, hobbies, holidays and sports they enjoy. I have taught some ‘poor’ children, in every sense of the word. You should reserve your compassion for them, although I doubt that statement came from a place of compassion.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 04/09/2024 08:42

Your teens don’t have a private space? That is unreasonable, we all need privacy sometimes.

Werweisswohin · 04/09/2024 08:40

You've nailed it @YellowphantGrey with this paragraph:

'Maybe get the thread moved to Dadsnet section if it's an echochamber you're after but please don't pretend that starting a thread about how to raise tidy teens wasn't done with the intention of using it as a chance to insult women.'

Werweisswohin · 04/09/2024 08:35

Newbutoldfather · 03/09/2024 20:22

@Hoppingblackbird and @Werweisswohin ,

I am really curious as to what you think my hidden motivation is?

And OMG:

‘I do remember a thread by a man, almost exactly like this a while ago.’

It is the Black Hand ‘Thread About Teen Bedroom’ Hand Gang. It’s a fair cop, you’ve caught us red handed.

What actually was the motive behind your post, other than to assume some sort of superiority?
I'm struggling to see anything useful or helpful.
Your poor boys are people, not objects for you to control.

Makingchocolatecake · 03/09/2024 21:50

I think piles of clothes are fine but not dirty plates or cups. I would let them have juice or squash though.

YellowphantGrey · 03/09/2024 21:43

Newbutoldfather · 03/09/2024 21:06

@YellowphantGrey ,

You are both an obvious misandrist (which is a perfectly valid word) and simultaneously sexist in assuming my cleaner is a woman. I guess you wouldn’t consider employing a male cleaner.

Neither my marriage (or lack of it) or the sex of my cleaner are germane to this thread, and certainly none of your business.

(It was funny, a couple of years ago I had a different screen name, not obviously male, but same posting style, nothing else different. Not once accused of dominating a thread or mansplaining, Confirmation bias is a wonderful thing 😉).

You're just a run of the mill man that expects adoration for what is basic parenting and basic expectations of living in a family home. You've shown some pretty mysoginistic reactions so why do you think that would make you appealing in anyway? The fact that I'd replied to two of your posts for you to them reply that I must be obsessed with you was pretty fucking creepy to be honest.

If I needed a cleaner, I'd employ one who could do the job well enough, regardless of their sex. Fortunately me and the other males in my house all know how to clean as well as tidy so that's what we all do.

You've come on and dismissed everyone on here in a patronising and belittling way and then when people, myself included, have replied, you've then started with insults.

Maybe get the thread moved to Dadsnet section if it's an echochamber you're after but please don't pretend that starting a thread about how to raise tidy teens wasn't done with the intention of using it as a chance to insult women.

Newbutoldfather · 03/09/2024 21:06

@YellowphantGrey ,

You are both an obvious misandrist (which is a perfectly valid word) and simultaneously sexist in assuming my cleaner is a woman. I guess you wouldn’t consider employing a male cleaner.

Neither my marriage (or lack of it) or the sex of my cleaner are germane to this thread, and certainly none of your business.

(It was funny, a couple of years ago I had a different screen name, not obviously male, but same posting style, nothing else different. Not once accused of dominating a thread or mansplaining, Confirmation bias is a wonderful thing 😉).

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YellowphantGrey · 03/09/2024 20:58

Newbutoldfather · 03/09/2024 20:23

@YellowphantGrey ,

You are a walking cliche of assuming sexist stereotypes.

Men can’t parent and all cleaners are women!

You've done nothing to dispel those cliches

Proud your boys have tidied for a woman to clean.

I'm now waiting for you to say your cleaners are men just so you can be right.

Newbutoldfather · 03/09/2024 20:23

@YellowphantGrey ,

You are a walking cliche of assuming sexist stereotypes.

Men can’t parent and all cleaners are women!

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Newbutoldfather · 03/09/2024 20:22

@Hoppingblackbird and @Werweisswohin ,

I am really curious as to what you think my hidden motivation is?

And OMG:

‘I do remember a thread by a man, almost exactly like this a while ago.’

It is the Black Hand ‘Thread About Teen Bedroom’ Hand Gang. It’s a fair cop, you’ve caught us red handed.

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