To hunt down these bastards who exposed my son to chicken pox

Just did upthread one post.

Would you like to edit your erroneous post about the cost @Rosscameasdoody?

Just saw your next post, I'm sorry for what you've been through (are going through) but whether your give a shit or not, your information is still incorrect, and could negatively influence other people looking for information.

I didn’t google. I have autoimmune disease (rheumatoid arthritis, spina bifida and now breast cancer) and despite all of these was refused the vaccine on the NHS because I was under 65 - wrongly as it turns out. When I enquired at my surgery they advised that the two part vaccination cost around £450 payable at the time the jabs were administered. All the information I’ve provided is as a result of my own personal experience, so think of it as false if you want, I don’t google for my replies - it’s lazy and inaccurate. Believe me or don’t - really don’t give a shit.

Not always 100% though. It can happen, but less likely to happen.

So, it does seem to be the case that a person who is vaccinated against CP is also less likely to develop shingles later in life.

”This week, new evidence was published showing that children who receive the two recommended doses of the chickenpox vaccine are less likely to develop shingles later in life. This makes sense since these children are given the same immunity a natural infection would give, but they are given a weakened version of the varicella virus. That virus has almost no chance of surviving its encounter with a healthy immune system, so it does not cause disease, does not go dormant in nerves and it triggers enough of an immune response to protect children from infection for the future.”

https://historyofvaccines.org/blog/chickenpox-vaccine-and-shingles-risk

Below is a link to the published evidence.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/two-for-one-chickenpox-vaccine-lowers-shingles-risk-in-children/

So, if the weakened version of CP (contained in the vaccine) does not go dormant in the nerves, I presume that it cannot be reactivated in the nerves as Shingles.

No. The chickenpox vaccination doesn’t guarantee that a child won’t get the disease. If they do, the symptoms will be milder and there will be reduced incidence of it being passed on. But if the child actually gets a breakthrough infection the chances of it causing shingles in later life is the same.

Yeah, no. I read it earlier. It's as accurate as your (provably false) pricing information.

Google will kick up about 50 results refuting your earlier assertions within about, oh, zero seconds.

Not sure where you are, but that's very odd.

I just googled at everywhere near me (london) is around £65 per dose or £135-150 for two.

https://www.boots.com/online/pharmacy-services/chickenpox-vaccination-service?srsltid=AfmBOopcoqdH5_qrDKjBYMFxCtmGzQqsKXuWx1vnDV-hL9S9MObwYovn

Nope. The paediatrician is right. Not prepared to repeat detailed information but if you scroll upthread I’ve posted on this and why vaccination should not be taken at face value.

Sorry but this is not correct. The vaccine is available privately but it’s in two parts, and the two vaccines cost around £450 altogether.

It did yes, But it also said that if the most cost effective method - including it with the MMR vaccine - was employed it would likely increase the incidence of side effects. Which is why we don’t have it as standard NHS provision in the UK. The single vaccine is available privately and research is ongoing into how best to make it available in the UK.

My ex husband caught chickenpox in his thirties and was seriously ill, had hallucinations, was physically unable to get out of bed and I nearly called an ambulance for him. He wished he had caught it as a child.

I was tested while pregnant with DD2 as a friend of DD1 had it really badly and I had been exposed. I was told I had “natural immunity” (not sure if that BS - it was 20+ years ago and i have brain fog or if it's a Thing but that is what I was told). DD1 never got it either despite playing solifky for hours with this child over several Days.

So I'm not sure what I could have done differently knowing if I'd had it or not - I certainly wouldn't have “through the roof “ anxiety year after year.

Sorry, op. Your post raised issues around CP (and Shingles in my case). Maybe the parents should have said that their child was just recovering from CP, so you could have been forewarned. They might have thought the child wasn’t contagious any more. Many people do regard CP as just another childhood thing.

I understand how the timing has robbed your son of those orientation days. And at the beginning of second level (with all the excitement involved) is extra upset on top.

Sorry you had shingles - I did too and it was a horror leading to IV antivirals and 6 months of exhaustion as well as horrific pain. I still have nerve pain and twinges literally years later. It's why I'd really recommend vaccinating a child against CP when possible.

The incubation period for chicken pox is typically 10-21 days and you were at the caravan site last week, so you cannot rule out the possibility that your child has been exposed to the virus elsewhere in the community.
Having said that caravan parks and holiday destinations usually have in their terms and conditions a line stating that you should not stay if you have an infectious or contagious disease so YANBU.

You and your DD’s have either had it very mildly as babies (and it wasn’t picked up, which is common) or yes, all 3 of you are ticking time bombs (unless you’ve been vaccinated)
The vast vast majority of the population get this virus at some point. It is rare for a person to never have had it. Most who think they haven’t actually have but very mildly as babies or toddlers.
Personally if I was sure my child hadn’t had it and the vaccine was not doable, I would be extremely thankful my child had caught them now (although not for the first week of a new school)
My anxiety would be through the roof every year that went past that they hadn’t caught it.

That’s what I’m wondering too. The NHS website says that the vaccine contains a live (but weakened) version of the virus.

This below is from the US Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

“Some people who are vaccinated against chickenpox get shingles (herpes zoster) years later. This is much less common after vaccination than after chickenpox disease.”

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/varicella.html#:~:text=Some%20people%20who%20are%20vaccinated,after%20medical%20procedures%2C%20including%20vaccination.

So, it appears from this that it is possible to still get shingles if you have been vaccinated against Chickenpox. However, it is much less common than among those who have had actual Chickenpox.

I know that the there was once only a vaccine for Shingles containing a weakened version of the virus (Zostavax), and was not suitable for some people. However, they now have an another form (Shingrix) which is not live and more suitable for people who cannot have live vaccines (albeit weakened).

The JCVI last year recommended that CP vaccine be included in routine childhood vaccinations. In the US it has been a standard vaccination for nearly 30 years.

www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-recommends-chickenpox-vaccine-in-childhood-immunisation-programme

Thank you Mummyford, yes, it's miserable.

There are anti-virals available provided you can take them early enough.

Yes it is £150 at Boots, but set against that is the cost to you of taking time off work to care for a sick child with CP (which is presumably more than £150) not to mention the health risk to your child.

Incidentally you can get the CP vaccine for £130 at other pharmacies.

They can still get shingles but the vaccine greatly reduces the chances as it creates immunity with a much lower viral load, so less virus to lie dormant in the body. If they do get shingles it should be a milder case. My mum is a doctor and was adamant that we have it done for our kids for that reason. Apparently shingles is the most miserable semi-preventable thing she sees. I'm sorry to hear you've had it @Butwhybecause

No, it's a live vaccine so the chicken pox is still in your system after having it.
It was assumed for a while to carry a bigger risk of shingles but that has now been disproved and it's less likely that a vaccinated person will get shingles as opposed to someone who had the wild virus. If they do get shingles, it's likely to be milder.

A question:

If children have the chickenpox vaccine will it prevent them from getting shingles later in life?
As the chickenpox virus lays dormant in your body then can erupt as shingles (which is just horrible, I've had it) will vaccination mean immunity from shingles too?

Why would she think that @PurpleCheese ?