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littleredbumblebee · 02/09/2024 22:48

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went on a caravan holiday last week for 5 nights and my son who is 11 played with some kids from other families and had a great time- all good

On the last night one of the smaller boys was running around with no shirt on and he has spots, one of the other families asked and his mum said oh he has chicken pox but we though getting away would do him good.

I told her my son had never had chicken pox and said I bloody hoped my son was not going to come down with them. One of the other parents also said they should not have brought the kid. Basically it ended up with them going inside the caravan in a huff. The next day we all left

So today the day before my son is use to start at high school he woke up covered in spots and now has chicken pox and won’t be in for his first week at high school. Tonight he is now crying saying he won’t name any friends now and he won’t know his way around and no amount of comforting will calm him down. Very few kids for his school are going to this high school and he is so upset he will have missed out on making friends.

We have been in touch with his form tutor who has been great and has said they will support him and catch him up but I could bloody scream. How can some people be so bloody selfish.

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AderynBach · 05/09/2024 12:23

How's your son feeling now @littleredbumblebee?

EveryonesMother · 05/09/2024 11:55

mathanxiety · 04/09/2024 14:29

It is everyone's business, by its very nature, whether children are vaccinated. It's not just "a personal thing" any more than the decision to cough without covering your face is. Public health is about everyone. Everyone is at risk from viruses and they cause a lot of problems, from household disruption to death.

Yes children can still catch it if vaccinated, but a mild version, and the chances of catching it are very low if vaccinated. Vaccination also has the advantage of affording herd immunity at population level if enough people have the jabs, so even people who have been bitten by the big pharma conspiracy theory bug or those who are in thrall to theories of individualism and don't believe there's such a thing as society will have a much smaller chance of being exposed.

However, it's much better to be exposed - CP is not something you want to catch as a teen or adult - and currently in the UK the chance of exposure is high, thanks to the NHS and the prevailing climate of every man for himself.

When something is not compulsory or written in law it is a CHOICE.
Therefore it is an individual's right whether to disclose or not. EVERY PERSONS MEDICAL HISTORY IS PERSONAL AND PRIVATE not everyones business. What a ludicrous statement! Our entire NHS works under terms of privacy.
Not everyone is at risk from a virus, the majority of the healthy population can shrug off a virus with simple paracetamol!

Yourcatisnotsorry · 05/09/2024 09:40

They were being very unreasonable to knowingly expose other people to their kids illness. It can be very serious and cause miscarriages etc.
however this is a disease for which a readily available safe and effective vaccine is available so you are U to not vaccinate and then complain about him catching the disease. Same the 100s who moan they miss holidays or other important events because their kids catch it. Vaccinate people!

Howdoesitworkagain · 05/09/2024 07:37

@mathanxiety I know that it’s contagious before the spots appear. The point is that once the spots appear, you KNOW it’s going to spread, so to continue to put your child about is an arsey thing to do. Before the spots appear, you couldn’t possibly know or be expected to keep your kid away. After - a different story.

mathanxiety · 05/09/2024 04:32

Howdoesitworkagain · 04/09/2024 21:25

I know someone whose child was Joseph
in a nativity play and woke up with chickenpox on the day of the play. They knowingly sent him in to school so he could do the play and they then pretended he became ill straight after the play. 60 kids on stage and all the families in the audience. Loads of them had chickenpox over Christmas.

So yes people can be selfish twats and it’s annoying. I feel for your son, I’m amazed he’s been able to avoid it for so long - even to get to 7 when he had the first dose of the vaccine is quite good going.

The child was contagious before the pocks appeared. The damage was already done. The fact that patients are contagious before anyone suspects illness makes outbreaks hard to contain and illustrates why vaccination is a really good idea.

FOXYMORON1707 · 04/09/2024 22:26

I so wanted my daughter to get the chicken pox get it over with as always worried it would interfere with our America holiday as could not take her away if got them before hand. Was always asking if could go to a pox party lol. It's a shame he missed his first few days tho never a good time to get these things. I considered vaccine and would have tho she ended up getting chicken pox anyway. Right to be a tad annoyed tho not like exposing him to some life threatening disease tho I get some kids get it bad.

Howdoesitworkagain · 04/09/2024 21:25

I know someone whose child was Joseph
in a nativity play and woke up with chickenpox on the day of the play. They knowingly sent him in to school so he could do the play and they then pretended he became ill straight after the play. 60 kids on stage and all the families in the audience. Loads of them had chickenpox over Christmas.

So yes people can be selfish twats and it’s annoying. I feel for your son, I’m amazed he’s been able to avoid it for so long - even to get to 7 when he had the first dose of the vaccine is quite good going.

mathanxiety · 04/09/2024 21:07

SoupDragon · 04/09/2024 17:40

CP boy at the campsite saved the OP the cost of the second jab

How? He had an allergic reaction to the first. He is not having the second. No money was saved courtesy of the boy at the campsite and his irresponsible mother.

That was a tongue in cheek observation.

But the basic points I made still stand -
It's far better to catch CP before puberty than afterward.
The mother was careless, but her child was contagious before the pocks appeared, and so was the DS.

The basic point - that vaccination should be done - also stands. None of this illness, discomfort, inconvenience, or loss of time would happen if the NHS would get its act together.

Plmnki · 04/09/2024 21:04

Aargh so sorry OP - you did try to vaccinate, missed that - very tough situation. Sorry you’re going through this. Poor lad :(

mathanxiety · 04/09/2024 21:01

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 04/09/2024 18:29

Why aren’t people at least reading the OP’s updates on the thread? I can understand not reading every post on a long thread, but if you click on See All under the OP, you can read all the posts by the OP, and maybe avoid looking like a dick for criticising her for not vaccinating her son!

The app doesn't have that feature. Or maybe some versions of the app don't - mine doesnt.

Plmnki · 04/09/2024 21:01

Sorry if I missed it - why wasn’t he vaccinated?

BeCyanSloth · 04/09/2024 20:17

my son started year 7 today and vomited outside the lunch hall
He is upset that he was sick in front of lots of people and that he now can’t go back until Monday.
Unfortunately it’s not great but he won’t be the only one who is going to miss the beginning of school.
Hope the chicken pox aren’t too bad for your son

1dayatatime · 04/09/2024 20:11

MumofTwoChildMinder · 04/09/2024 19:03

You can still get chicken pox after the vaccine. I had the vaccine and had chillen pox TWICE!! Very mild when I was 12 and very awful when I was 22!! My sister in law, vaccinated, just got chicken pox at 36, her daughter also vaccinated as a baby caught it from her mum, she’s 10. Very insensible comment!

Those are very bad odds - the vaccine is 70% to 90% effective for preventing chickenpox and more than 95% effective for preventing severe chickenpox.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicella_vaccine

LakieLady · 04/09/2024 19:45

Marnieloves · 02/09/2024 23:03

It’s good that he got it now - better than in adulthood when it’s much more serious. No big deal.

I got chicken pox when I was 36, and I was really bloody ill.

It's a bummer in terms of timing, but far better than getting it as an adult. The parents of the child he caught it from are twats though, so you're not unreasonable to be angry OP.

LakieLady · 04/09/2024 19:45

Marnieloves · 02/09/2024 23:03

It’s good that he got it now - better than in adulthood when it’s much more serious. No big deal.

I got chicken pox when I was 36, and I was really bloody ill.

It's a bummer in terms of timing, but far better than getting it as an adult. The parents of the child he caught it from are twats though, so you're not unreasonable to be angry OP.

MumofTwoChildMinder · 04/09/2024 19:03

You can still get chicken pox after the vaccine. I had the vaccine and had chillen pox TWICE!! Very mild when I was 12 and very awful when I was 22!! My sister in law, vaccinated, just got chicken pox at 36, her daughter also vaccinated as a baby caught it from her mum, she’s 10. Very insensible comment!

AgentJohnson · 04/09/2024 18:37

FFS, what is wrong with people. I used to volunteer by a children’s activity and a kid was dropped off by her mother and during a chat with the child it transpired she hadn’t been to school in days because she had CHICKENPOX! Mum had obviously got fed up and dumped her child with us for a couple hours. I have never had chicken pox and was in no hurry to get it so left immediately.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 04/09/2024 18:29

Why aren’t people at least reading the OP’s updates on the thread? I can understand not reading every post on a long thread, but if you click on See All under the OP, you can read all the posts by the OP, and maybe avoid looking like a dick for criticising her for not vaccinating her son!

NotAgainWilson · 04/09/2024 18:12

ToBeDetermined · 02/09/2024 23:46

But OP did. You’re not taking a holiday if you don’t have £150 spare.

The op has already explained that he had the CP vaccine first dose when he was 7 but reacted badly to it, hence why her GP advised not to have the second one.

Loverofoldfilms · 04/09/2024 18:12

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 04/09/2024 13:17

The NHS won't pay for it because they have calculated that it is cheaper to let children get chickenpox and thereby give adults a little immune boost (because encountering chickenpox when you've already had it boosts your immunity to shingles) than it is to vaccinate against both chickenpox and shingles and get rid of the whole problem. I actually think this is a fundamentally immoral approach - I don't see why my children should get an illness which is always unpleasant and sometimes has severe complications to help out herd immunity for adults to a disease for which there is a vaccination. So mine are vaccinated. But it is the reason - see here for a good explanation: https://www.theguardian.com/science/occams-corner/2014/may/15/real-reason-british-public-chickenpox-vaccine-shingles

Incidentally, this all works on the idea that children with chickenpox are allowed to wander round encountering (and so producing this immune response) in others. If children with chickenpox are isolated then there is no benefit at all. So the parent in the OP was actually doing just what the NHS wants...

Children in other western countries are being vaccinated. In the UK it's always about saving money. Always. We then get some pontificating why it's science, but it's not. It's just cheap, cheap, cheap.

sunhasgotthis · 04/09/2024 17:52

If not, it's soon to be darkly followed by comments such as 'Fred's mum deliberately gave my child contaminated food. Phew, that's saved me money on school bus fare and food tomorrow.'

sunhasgotthis · 04/09/2024 17:47

@SoupDragon I read it as poster adding a witty reason in line to post she was referring to about how perpetrators are really doing people favours. I might be mistaken though.

SoupDragon · 04/09/2024 17:40

mathanxiety · 04/09/2024 14:41

In the wider context of exposure to CP, he's not a victim. CP boy at the campsite saved the OP the cost of the second jab and probably saved the DS from getting the more severe CP that can happen after age 13/ puberty.

The timing was unfortunate, there's no denying that, but this is the only downside to catching it (apart from the medical risks that come with CP, which hopefully won't affect DS)

Given the fact that CP is contagious before the pocks appear, it might not have been the boy at the campsite who exposed the DS to it, and DS himself might have unwittingly exposed many others before the OP realised he was ill.

CP boy at the campsite saved the OP the cost of the second jab

How? He had an allergic reaction to the first. He is not having the second. No money was saved courtesy of the boy at the campsite and his irresponsible mother.

KittyBeebee · 04/09/2024 16:10

I would have thought it very unlikely that you would hunt down the virus spreaders and can't believe anyone seriously thought you meant it. It was obviously tongue in cheek. It makes you wonder why people deliberately misunderstand. Anyway, glad your little lad isn't feeling too ill and I'm sure he'll soon make friends. The school sounds really sympathetic and I bet it happens every year

mathanxiety · 04/09/2024 14:41

sunhasgotthis · 04/09/2024 11:06

Love the victim blaming on this thread. It's like people want 100% of responsibility placed on those on the receiving end of shitty behaviour, with none on the perpetrators. It's very odd.

Yes OP they did your son a favour, he could have been deliberately exposed by someone when his future wife was pregnant. Why didn't you get the vaccine that so many don't even know about in the U.K. and that you actually did try to get but had an adverse reaction to anyway? I think at this rate if you served deliberately contaminated food, some would be saying that's the same as serving something you didn't know was contaminated.

In the wider context of exposure to CP, he's not a victim. CP boy at the campsite saved the OP the cost of the second jab and probably saved the DS from getting the more severe CP that can happen after age 13/ puberty.

The timing was unfortunate, there's no denying that, but this is the only downside to catching it (apart from the medical risks that come with CP, which hopefully won't affect DS)

Given the fact that CP is contagious before the pocks appear, it might not have been the boy at the campsite who exposed the DS to it, and DS himself might have unwittingly exposed many others before the OP realised he was ill.

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