To be concerned at the number of people lying to get weight loss jabs?

It's really not that simple as eat less exercise more is it? I do moderate/heavy exercise six days a week for 30-60 minutes and try to eat healthily but in middle age it just gets more difficult, and who is able to maintain a very strict diet and no treats/wine/whatever every day forever? I've read about celebrities being hungry every day of their lives and that's just miserable.

The drugs give you peace of mind and enable you to focus on other things and make better food/drink choices. That really should be available to all as an ongoing thing.

I actually think it would be far worse for my health to slowly put all the weight back on after all that effort (not to mention money!).

I'm totally envious of people who can't tell when they've had enough to eat 🙄 Who wouldn't be? I wish I needed drug injections to regulate my appetite!

This reminds me of the dodgy doctors who, in the 1960s-70s, made fortunes by dishing out amphetamine prescriptions to dieting women. Now the dodgy doctors work at online pharmacies; no need for discreet kitchen-table referrals.

By way of disclosure, I'm getting HRT from an online pharmacy as my GP keeps kicking the can down the road. I still wish this semi-deregulation wasn't happening, though.

I was trying to work out why you think it's an important issue. You haven't really posed much of a debate to shut down.

Yes of course, but being reliant on a drug for the rest of your life is not great either - well, I would hate it, maybe people don't care.

Yes, but losing it by willpower alone is not life threatening and costly is it?!

...and when people diet by willpower alone, they put the weight back on. It's a risk to all methods of weight loss, not specific to these injections.

the ‘liars’ are generally BMI 29 yo-yo dieters who can’t turn off the food noise

no one with a BMI of 19 is lying to get semiglutides

i’d rather the ‘liars’ didn’t something productive (out of their own pocket) then continue to put on weight and end up with costly lifestyle diseases that are a drain on resources and affect their quality of life

‘eat less move more’ doesn’t help people with disordered eating

Yeah this. And no envy from me. (As a pp suggested.) I wouldn't have weight loss injections if they were free and delivered to my home. I would never have weight loss surgery either. I have been between 9 stone and 15 and a half stone in my adult life, and am around halfway between the two weights now.

Currently on the 5:2 diet, and going for sturdy/fast 2-3 mile walks, five or six days a week. I have lost 12 pounds in 6 weeks. BY EATING LESS AND EXERCISING MORE. I know radical right?! 😆 Hell would freeze over before I would have surgery - or injections to lose weight. I can't believe people do it ... It's batshit.

And like you said, people nearly ALWAYS regain the weight. When they have weight loss surgery they often regain the weight, and with these weight loss injections they will still regain it - most of them. And as another poster said, many people refuse covid jabs because you don't know the long term effects - but will happily pump this weight loss crap into their body.

@sahah YANBU.

p.s. I have suffered from issues with food, and eating disorders since I was 16 (over 40 years.) And I know it's just common sense, to eat less and exercise more if you want to lose weight. Having LIFE THREATENING surgery for it (or having random crap injected into you) to try to lose weight is bonkers. Really!!!

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There's a really aggressive bunch of posters on here who think any query about Wegovy etc is a pop at people who are overweight.

Being a liar and pumping themselves full of drugs I imagine? 😳

Really not something I'd envy, even if I was overweight.

@sahah if what this "young girl" told the A&E doctors is truthful. She may have lied to them about where she got it from. By "young girl" I assume they mean an 18 year old or older. So a young woman in actuality. Who knows what she did. She might have injected all 4 doses at once, or once a day instead of once week. Once people are prepared to lie and deceive to get what they want then any other behaviour is possible.

She obviously managed to find someone to create dated photos for her, or did some decent photoshopping. You can't just upload any old online photo of an obese woman.

I think a lot of this faux concern is envy-related.

Why do you think this? That’s quite a strange reaction.

It’s great that it is helping to tackle obesity when used appropriately but that isn’t what op posted about.

Why would you be concerned about adults using medication, whether they meet the criteria for a prescription or not? Plenty of adults abuse other prescription medications and illegal drugs, are you concerned about all of them as well?

What I mean is that Boots wouldn't be selling fake drugs. Yes there are people who react to the actual drugs due to other health issues or their body system simply don't agree with the drug.

The unlicensed stuff is one thing and the lying to get the injection from a reputable company is a different thing. Which one are you concerned about?

I doubt those who get theirs from places like Boots, etc (even through lying) would end up in hospital because they were injecting glucose or something else instead of semaglutide.

The unlicensed ones are unsafe.

The lying to get to from reputable places is a grey area. Some people are desperate and soon it would become as accessible as botox, etc and the lying will stop.

I think a lot of this faux concern is envy-related.

Envy of what?

There was a feature on woman's hour about this recently. I think talking to a journalist who had looked into it - and one woman she'd spoken to was getting it from some guy who brought it round in his car, and apparently delivered to a few of her friends as well. I think the reason was the increased scrutiny of online prescribers.

That's nothing to be envious about, and it's not beyond belief that people would find it concerning. I know that's different to people lying to get it, but I don't see why that would spark envy either tbh.

Lots of people have various concerns around online prescribing, whether it's to do with the continuation of abortion pills by post, or whether it's weight loss injections. I'm sure some people lie about having had their blood pressure checked when they order the contraceptive pill online - that is also concerning.

The only medical scandal is that the NHS prescribes crappy CBT to people who desperately need proper help with their weight and who go on to have life changing weight loss on these new medications.

CBT is completely useless in my opinion but hey, saves the NHS a buck or two i guess.

I think a lot of this faux concern is envy-related.

I'm someone who has taken it for a while, first because I was obese, but having reached my target weight and come off it, weight did start to creep back on, so I decided to take it occasionally to try to maintain my new weight, so every couple of months or so, and yes, I have to lie about my weight to get it, but I see it as a long-term investment in my health. I exercise six days a week and try to watch what I eat, but without it it's more difficult.

I think there should be some sort of way to take it legitimately, without having to lie, at low levels to maintain your weight once you've reached your target.

There was a thread earlier that was discussing what happens when people stop taking the meds. The bottom line is, they get their appetite back and old habits will return. As providers will stop prescribing meds when people get to a certain weight, I'd imagine there's even more scope there for people to try and keep getting the drugs by being dishonest about their weight loss.

I completely understand why people want to take these medications, but it does feel
Like a medical scandal in the making.

It's more than lying though, you'd need to provide someone else's current dated photos and possibly even someone else's ID.

Are you taking it then? Presume so from your hostile response

Why the hostility to OP, from you and others? Is it really that weird to be concerned about people engaging in risky behaviour that could 1) make them seriously unwell 2) encourage others to do the same and 3) take up medical resources unnecessarily?

Surprisingly people aren’t too chipper about people on heroin or having drug overdoses either. Funny that.