To be concerned at the number of people lying to get weight loss jabs?

This thread is confusing:

Multiple posters say that it's not magic fat melting and you need to still control calories and eat healthy to lose weight on the drugs

Multiple other posters say that it is impossible for them to lose weight by reducing calories, moving more and making healthy choices. They have tried all that, it doesn't work, their body doesn't operate by the same rules as everyone else.

So how does this stuff work?? Magic or calorie reduction? And if it's calorie reduction then other mechanisms of calorie reduction would also work if they were rigidly stuck to and it's a mindset change that is needed.

I mean surely it works by reducing craving so that you eat less doesnt it? So it works by reducing calories so calories in vs calories out therefore is not bullshit as is so often claimed.

I use them and I agree. It’s really irresponsible and may also impact people who are honest and have a legitimate health need (me) from getting medication they need. I would go to a private GP and get it prescribed that way if I need to but a lot of people may not be able to afford that.

It's not as simple as that. I assume you would have had to remain with the same supplier and take it consistently every month, which not everyone can afford. Lots of us change suppliers to get the best price, take advantage of introductory offers etc. Or stop taking it when at target weight and then wanting to go back on it you basically start as a new customer. I was at the maximum dose of Wegovy but it wasn't really working so well anymore and I was near my target weight so I stopped taking it and when my weight started creeping up again I changed to Mounjaro and basically had to start from the beginning and lie.

But isn't there always going to be a small section of people who are just stupid and misuse drugs/prescriptions/dieting advice?

This girl who obviously lied to boots to get the injection, misused it. Did she really use it properly or inject it all at once? Did she even need it? So stupidity and deceitfulness.

Those getting it from the hairdressers/beauty salons etc, well least be honest, that's just plain stupidity!

The woman who died by drinking 8 glasses of water all at once instead of following the recommended guidelines of 8 glasses throughout the day? news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/7779079.stm
Is water to blame or stupidity?

Where do you stop?

If people want to take this stuff, they will, I don't think you wringing your hands over it is going to change it.

It's not envy related, that is ridiculous. My BMI is 19.9 and I'm concerned. How self involved do people have to be to not ever be concerned about something that doesn't impact them directly.

Ermmm...there are plenty of providers who offer a maintenance dose once you hit your target

My plan is to take it on and off, just to maintain my ideal weight. Not constantly as it's expensive, but every couple/few months or so if I can get it.

Or who are taking it even though they don’t need to. Because they feel you can never be too thin.

They’re not unknown and unstudied drugs, they’re repurposed drugs that have been in use for a while to treat eg diabetes.. They don’t work by melting fat, they help control appetite by controlling blood sugar making it easier to stick to a diet.

Recent research shows they help reduce the risk of heart disease and other diseases independently of obesity, probably by reducing inflammation.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/may/weight-loss-drug-semaglutide-linked-better-heart-health

You can be prescribed at a BMI of over 27 if you have weight related health problems eg osteoarthritis, chronic knee/back pain etc so it’s not necessarily the case that people who don’t look ‘that’ fat in their before photo have lied about their weight to get it.

The potential for people to access fake or unregulated drugs online is a separate concern. Improved access to the drugs on the NHS would hugely help this.

Yes, why wouldn't you be?

Firstly, it will potentially affect everyone (via the NHS burden) if folk end up suffering ill effects of overuse/wrong use, or even worse taking what they think is one drug but it actually something else.
Secondly, discussions like this may make someone think twice about whether it's actually a good idea to lie regarding medical situations.
@sahah it worries me too. These drugs are an aid, not a magic cure, and lifestyle changes really need to be made alongside.

Public health concerns are everyone's concerns.

Do you only ever think about things that directly impact yourself? How odd!

Lying to get it is bad news all round. Its like the aesthetic practitioners who just keep doing procedures on us and make us look like Madonna (RIP Madonna's face)

money talks common sense is ignored

so she can't stop, and now it's the turn of the weight loss injections. We won't stop and we will all look like Sharon osbourne or Madonna 😢

@BigComfyTracksuit there's an article on it. When you are prescribed them properly you are warned about side effects and when to seek medical help, also alcohol etc.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67414203.amp

I've decided against injections, but have done a lot of research and my adult DD (38) is on Mounjaro. A maintenance dose can be prescribed, they don't have the same cut off weight if your weight loss has been via injections.
As for wasting resources, sit in A&E and see how the shit head behaviour of young men is filling the beds and police cells. It's always women's behaviour that's pounced on.
Unregulated anything is an issue, drugs and things like botox/lip fillers etc.

This thread is derailing.

OP wasn’t talking generally about weight loss injections. She was talking about people lying to get them.

And FFS can people stop with the “wHaT’s It To YoU ThOOoooo?!🤪” nonsense. It’s a fucking discussion website and the OP wants to discuss it. Don’t be a patronising twat. If you don’t like the discussion, kindly eff off.

I think using injections is as valid as any other diet. I did think the whole point was to get you to a place you could maintain. @mozempic and other users - is it your plan to remain on this forever? (This is not a loaded Q, I know nothing about these drugs at all.)

Does anyone have any medical studies they can cite regarding long term issues? @sahah do you know what caused the hospitalisation of the young girl? I’m assuming (as a non medical professional) that given diabetics remain on similar meds long term the impact on health generally from the medication alone is well studied. But perhaps there’s a form of drug-supported ED like anorexia that can be a result from taking it when you shouldn’t?

I am going to admit that I would be amazed if someone did the 5.2 properly and walked 3 miles a day and still didn't lose any weight.

It is possible to think that and also not have any issue with people using wegovy if it makes it easier for them.

Currently on the 5:2 diet, and going for sturdy/fast 2-3 mile walks, five or six days a week. I have lost 12 pounds in 6 weeks. BY EATING LESS AND EXERCISING MORE. I know radical right?! 😆 Hell would freeze over before I would have surgery - or injections to lose weight. I can't believe people do it ... It's batshi

I am pleased that works for you. But do you not think fat people have TRIED THAT?! I have done that. It made zero difference. Unless I eat less than 800 calories a day until the end of my life, then I will be fat. Maybe if people could understand that not every body is the same and what makes one person lose weight isn’t the same as another it would help. My friend lost weight by not eating 3 chocolate bars a week. Lovely for her. That would make literally zero difference to me.

One of the MOST annoying things people do is assume that in fact everyone is the same, fat people are stupid and should just walk up the stairs instead of taking the lift etc and that will help. For some yes it will. But in the same way some people are naturally thin and can eat like a horse (and no one minds them do they), some people are naturally fat and their body is different. Lots of people are in between and do what you are doing but not everyone. So yes we do have to resort to “batshit” things and deal with ignorant people.

Although I don't spend time worrying about people I don't know, I am also concerned about a friend who is now very thin and frail and still taking Wegovy. It's only human nature to worry and that doesn't mean I think wegovy etc are bad in themselves. They are clearly amazingly helpful for people who meed to lose weight for medical reasons. Refusing to believe that people aren't lying to get it for vanity reasons is naive.

Slimming world is what people should be more concerned about. It's like an obesity factory disguised as helping. Disordered ways of describing foods and wierd rules about mashing things etc. You come out of there having eaten a ton of carbs, unhealthy levels of sweeteners and chemicals. Ultra processed rubbish but as long as it has no fat you're OK. No don't eat that beautiful healthy avocado it's syns! Have a cake made from processed chemical sweeteners and yogurt instead. Make your own haribo sweets from processed jelly and crap processed muller light. Here have some crisps made from pasta sheets. And Fry light.... Don't get me started on that plastic chemical liquid that they're touting. It's like a cult that makes you fatter than you started. Rant over.

You clearly have too much time on your hands op. Not understanding why it is concerning to you really? Feel like this is just another weight loss injection bashing goady post to wind up people. If it's truly worrying you perhaps see your GP about getting some help.

You can eat what you like on the drugs if it works like you say it does.

Because it turns your mind into that of a thin person who 'eats what they like and never gains weight' but if you look at what they eat its small portions of mostly healthy food and little of the junk that makes people gain weight, because that's what they like to eat.

Plus if you don't get into the habit and cycle of addiction to sugar and UPFs it's a lot easier to not eat them regularly.

I suppose with Ozempic etc the idea would then be to carry on with the good habits you've learned when you've lost weight and not go back to the unhealthy eating habits that made you gain weight in the first place, just like every weight loss programme.

But the trouble is that we live in an obesogenic environment where its a lot more effort and probably more expensive to eat well than it is to eat badly especially if you want to eat while out and about.

Why doesn't it bother you? Would you be happy if you found out your teenager was taking this? What an attitude!

Have you ever been part of a Slimming World or Weight Watchers group? There are always people there who are slim with a normal BMI who want to lose weight. And I'm not talking about the people who were once obese and are now slim. Weight loss drugs are not the issue. The real problems are social pressure, poor mental health, and the eating disorders that result. People who suffer from this are the ones who abuse these drugs. It is not the drugs that are hurting people.