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To be concerned at the number of people lying to get weight loss jabs?

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sahah · 02/09/2024 20:07

Not to mention the people buying the unlicensed stuff off of the streets?

I’ve seen it so much lately, this surely can’t end well.

OP posts:
BigComfyTracksuit · 03/09/2024 12:28

sahah · 03/09/2024 09:12

Yes, she was an otherwise healthy teenage girl, not overweight whatsoever, when she began taking Wegovy through Boots Pharmacy. She presented with life threatening starvation ketoacidosis, which is caused by severe low calorie intake.

From the article about this story (‘they’ is the A&E doctor who treated her)

“…the incident is part of a growing pattern, adding that “in the last month or two, every time [they had] done a shift pretty much [they] had some patient who, to a lesser or greater degree, is having a complication from getting these weight loss drugs” - in many cases from an online pharmacy or private beauty clinic.

“Without fail, none of them would fit the criteria at all,” they claimed, adding that another patient had “ended up going to intensive care” after obtaining weight loss drugs and presenting with pancreatitis.
Other acute doctors have raised similar concerns on social media.

“They're really dangerous drugs - it's shocking,” the doctor told C+D.
“It isn't people who need those drugs that are doing this. This is people with probably an element of eating disorder and body dysmorphia and that's what terrifies me,” they claimed.
“I just look at these young, beautiful girls. Oh, my word…it really makes me very sad,” they said.”

That is absolutely concerning. I have seen very little in the media about the effects on young/growing bodies, nor about the risks of these drugs.

Again, I think if you need an injection to lose weight that is absolutely a legitimate choice, and shouldn't be judged.

Perhaps part of the problem is there are sooooo many celebrities denying they are taking it that there's almost an aura of shame and a sense of 'cheating' which is muting an honest discussion. Based on this thread, there's nothing to be ashamed of at all - you still need willpower/lifestyle change. It's just a willpower boost, same as deciding to structure your eating by fasting certain hours or counting calories.

redalex261 · 03/09/2024 12:28

I don’t doubt there are people lying to online prescribers to get it, must be really difficult to police. Would be better if only prescribed by pharmacy in person after consultation. But that doesn’t stop someone sending their fatter friend in as an imposter I suppose.

The under the counter availability is much more concerning IMO. Two women I know are buying theirs from a tattoo parlour FFS! Paying normal monthly cost for 3 month supply. Neither would get prescription from a doctor or pharmacist. One is far too light (about 10 stone) - she had to stop as eating so little her hair was coming out in clumps. The other is/was pretty heavy (about 16 stone, 5”2”) but has very long history of eating disorders - bulimia etc. Has been 6 stone and 16 during her adult life. Lost two stone in 6 weeks. Their choice has been based entirely on cost, no concern re quality or authenticity of product. They could grow a tail and not bloody care if thin enough.

MsNeis · 03/09/2024 12:22

Theordinary · 03/09/2024 12:04

The same could be said for you really. I honestly don't know why people feel the need to reply like that! The Op makes a valid point and it's childish to suggest otherwise. Issues like this affect society as a whole and deserves air time.
As a healthcare professional I also find it quite alarming that people are able to buy it online. There's been so many cases recently where it has made people seriously ill. If it's a legitimate prescription fair enough but otherwise there's no way people should use it.

Thanks for articulating my thoughts so well 🙏

BigComfyTracksuit · 03/09/2024 12:21

moppety · 03/09/2024 12:04

To be fair, if you look at the side effects of any medication they can be horrible. Does anyone bother to read the side effects of ibuprofen? One of them is coma. But I don't see people cautioning against popping some Nurofen when they have a headache. All medications have side effects and generally the chance of the severest ones are incredibly rare.

Agree - but then that's exactly what OP is saying. Taking ibuprofen for pain is what ibuprofen is made for. Taking Ozempic for weight if you are obese/a rational adult is (largely) fine.

But OP is talking about (mainly young) people feeling pressure to be really thin - Hollywood thin - not with a healthy weight goal, and who are lying to take ozempic. So a person who is already a healthy weight shouldn't really take a drug for weight loss.

(I'm not directing that at anyone doing maintenance injections, which to me seems like a perfectly reasonable choice if it works for you.)

MsNeis · 03/09/2024 12:20

Agree, OP.
Also concerned by the people of the "why-do-you-care-so-much-if-it-doesn't-affect-you-blah-blah-blah": such wisdom to live by...

MugPlate · 03/09/2024 12:19

Perhaps the real stuff just needs to be more accessible.

moppety · 03/09/2024 12:06

Some more fun side effects of ibuprofen:

Skin reactions that can result in death, kidney damage, increased risk of heart failure, increased blood pressure, liver damage, anaemia, stomach ulcers and bleeding, heart attacks and stroke, and so it goes on.

sahah · 03/09/2024 12:06

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 03/09/2024 11:55

I apologise, sahah, my post reads more needle-some than intended. I think it's due to frustration that these situations arise, that they affect women primarily and nothing is done to safeguard/prevent that.

Ok thank you, I really appreciate that and I understand your perspective and frustration.

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Theordinary · 03/09/2024 12:04

thursdaymurderclub · 02/09/2024 20:09

why? why does it bother you? it doesn't affect you, so why do you even care?

mind your own business

Edited

The same could be said for you really. I honestly don't know why people feel the need to reply like that! The Op makes a valid point and it's childish to suggest otherwise. Issues like this affect society as a whole and deserves air time.
As a healthcare professional I also find it quite alarming that people are able to buy it online. There's been so many cases recently where it has made people seriously ill. If it's a legitimate prescription fair enough but otherwise there's no way people should use it.

moppety · 03/09/2024 12:04

To be fair, if you look at the side effects of any medication they can be horrible. Does anyone bother to read the side effects of ibuprofen? One of them is coma. But I don't see people cautioning against popping some Nurofen when they have a headache. All medications have side effects and generally the chance of the severest ones are incredibly rare.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 03/09/2024 11:55

I apologise, sahah, my post reads more needle-some than intended. I think it's due to frustration that these situations arise, that they affect women primarily and nothing is done to safeguard/prevent that.

sahah · 03/09/2024 11:50

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 03/09/2024 11:41

Most of us can think about many issues all at the same time, OP, you're not unique in that. What also isn't unique is the number of threads that are posted by people aeriated about something that they are ill-equipped or completely unempowered to do something about, so a talking-shop with much hand-wringing ensues.

It's that impotent 'concern' that smacks of being merely surface or 'grizzle of the day'. if this thread isn't that then what, if anything, are you proposing we do about this particular issue?

I’ve not claimed to be unique in that.

In terms of doing something about it, talking about it and highlighting the dangers is the only thing I can do. Sorry if that smacks of faux concern to you, but that’s a you problem with how you perceive others and not understanding how someone could care.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 03/09/2024 11:41

sahah · 03/09/2024 09:54

For those of you can’t understand why this is concerning, imagine for a moment that you have a teenage daughter. Now imagine, like so many teenage girls, that she is under immense pressure to look a certain way. Now imagine she has been struggling with body dysmorphia and disordered eating, and along comes this drug that she can obtain extremely easily online, by lying on a form. She doesn’t have any kind of medical nor parental supervision. And she may very well take it incorrectly in order to get the results she feels she needs to be beautiful / acceptable / whatever. Because of this, she ends up in the hospital with a life threatening condition.

Are you really not concerned about how a very powerful and serious drug is so easy to obtain by just about anyone? I happen to know of two pharmacies who don’t even require photographs, they just take your word for it. And no I won’t list them as someone will take that information and use it.

There was a thread a while ago from a woman who bought hers illegally. She ran out of needles and was asking if she could swallow it. Posters rightly pointed out that a) she has no idea what it even is she would be swallowing b) that is extremely dangerous and not how the drug is designed to be used c) she would know this if she had gone through the proper channels and not had to rely on MN to answer.

For those saying, aren’t you concerned about county lines, et al? Firstly, this thread is not about county lines. Secondly, a person can be concerned about more than one issue. Thirdly, I don’t see people talking about their involvement with county lines on a daily basis on MN. I do see people talking about buying weight loss injections illegally or fraudulently.

Most of us can think about many issues all at the same time, OP, you're not unique in that. What also isn't unique is the number of threads that are posted by people aeriated about something that they are ill-equipped or completely unempowered to do something about, so a talking-shop with much hand-wringing ensues.

It's that impotent 'concern' that smacks of being merely surface or 'grizzle of the day'. if this thread isn't that then what, if anything, are you proposing we do about this particular issue?

Bjorkdidit · 03/09/2024 10:51

Grandmasswagbag · 03/09/2024 09:35

This is the crux of it. I've seen on MN so many times that eating very low calories doesn't work for people. Iim horrified by some of the diets that I've seen posted here that people claim to follow. t's not the actual mechanics is it ? It's the mental toll it takes to constantly feel hungry and thinking about how you can't eat what you want. I don't believe that before weight loss drugs people are eating one tomato and one chicken breast per day and still not losing weight, which is near enough what I've seen posted here multiple times.

Yes, it seems like half of MN have broken physics and solved the energy crisis, able to power an adult woman on 'one tomato and one chicken breast per day'.

Arraminta · 03/09/2024 10:27

But isn't there always going to be a small section of people who are just stupid and misuse drugs/prescriptions/dieting advice?

Of course there are, and always will be. You cannot control all of the people all of the time, someone will always find a way to cheat the system. Any system. So hand wringing over it is pretty pointless.

There seems to be a rather dour, Puritan mentality toward weight loss drugs because [gasp] they make losing weight a little easier! Shame! Shame! No it must be difficult and painful, you must suffer in order to be slimmer. Suffer!

I recall years ago and acquaintance expressing faux horror that I bulk bought litre cartons of ready-made SMA Gold when DDs were babies. It was incredibly convenient. But apparently I was 'cheating' and 'squandering' money that could go towards their university fund?

ThatsNotMyTeen · 03/09/2024 10:16

ThePure · 03/09/2024 09:24

This thread is confusing:

Multiple posters say that it's not magic fat melting and you need to still control calories and eat healthy to lose weight on the drugs

Multiple other posters say that it is impossible for them to lose weight by reducing calories, moving more and making healthy choices. They have tried all that, it doesn't work, their body doesn't operate by the same rules as everyone else.

So how does this stuff work?? Magic or calorie reduction? And if it's calorie reduction then other mechanisms of calorie reduction would also work if they were rigidly stuck to and it's a mindset change that is needed.

I mean surely it works by reducing craving so that you eat less doesnt it? So it works by reducing calories so calories in vs calories out therefore is not bullshit as is so often claimed.

It also acts on hormones so you feel sated and no longer hungry with a smaller amount of food

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 03/09/2024 09:54

Gruttenberg · 03/09/2024 03:14

Why doesn't it bother you? Would you be happy if you found out your teenager was taking this? What an attitude!

Exactly. The lackadaisical attitude toward this (from some) is terrifying.

sahah · 03/09/2024 09:54

For those of you can’t understand why this is concerning, imagine for a moment that you have a teenage daughter. Now imagine, like so many teenage girls, that she is under immense pressure to look a certain way. Now imagine she has been struggling with body dysmorphia and disordered eating, and along comes this drug that she can obtain extremely easily online, by lying on a form. She doesn’t have any kind of medical nor parental supervision. And she may very well take it incorrectly in order to get the results she feels she needs to be beautiful / acceptable / whatever. Because of this, she ends up in the hospital with a life threatening condition.

Are you really not concerned about how a very powerful and serious drug is so easy to obtain by just about anyone? I happen to know of two pharmacies who don’t even require photographs, they just take your word for it. And no I won’t list them as someone will take that information and use it.

There was a thread a while ago from a woman who bought hers illegally. She ran out of needles and was asking if she could swallow it. Posters rightly pointed out that a) she has no idea what it even is she would be swallowing b) that is extremely dangerous and not how the drug is designed to be used c) she would know this if she had gone through the proper channels and not had to rely on MN to answer.

For those saying, aren’t you concerned about county lines, et al? Firstly, this thread is not about county lines. Secondly, a person can be concerned about more than one issue. Thirdly, I don’t see people talking about their involvement with county lines on a daily basis on MN. I do see people talking about buying weight loss injections illegally or fraudulently.

OP posts:
ThePure · 03/09/2024 09:39

If you are obese such that your health is at risk then I 100% support people having access to these drugs but I just don't want it to take away from the public health work we need to put in to stop people getting to a point where drugs are necessary. Childhood obesity is a huge tragedy and they don't give these drugs to kids (yet..)

twomanyfrogsinabox · 03/09/2024 09:38

Being a bit over weight I did look at using these drugs (by lying, I'm nothing like heavy enough) but by the time I'd read the possible side effects, common and rare, I decided it really wasn't worth the risk.

And I do think in a few years time there will be a big thing about how many people have had bad side effects and how were they able to get these drugs. Of course all the 'victims' will say they thought they were perfectly safe, and all their friends were taking them.

ViciousCurrentBun · 03/09/2024 09:37

People taking meds without medical supervision are taking huge risks. People, can have all sorts of underlying conditions and have no idea they have them. I was in a clinical measurement unit yesterday at the hospital as I’m having a heart issue investigated. The waiting room had some really young people in. I sat feeling really bad for them because at least I’m late fifties and have never had to have concern for this before.

On a collective level any sort of cosmetic procedure that goes wrong and I’m really thinking more about the surgery overseas then has to be sorted out on the NHS.

ThePure · 03/09/2024 09:37

It shores up your willpower basically
Makes it easier to tolerate the pain of a calorie deficit.
What I take issue with is people saying a calories deficit somehow does not work for them but the drug does. It is working by making it easier to maintain a calorie deficit so that is more proof if such were needed that it still
Is calories in vs calories out.

Grandmasswagbag · 03/09/2024 09:35

ThePure · 03/09/2024 09:24

This thread is confusing:

Multiple posters say that it's not magic fat melting and you need to still control calories and eat healthy to lose weight on the drugs

Multiple other posters say that it is impossible for them to lose weight by reducing calories, moving more and making healthy choices. They have tried all that, it doesn't work, their body doesn't operate by the same rules as everyone else.

So how does this stuff work?? Magic or calorie reduction? And if it's calorie reduction then other mechanisms of calorie reduction would also work if they were rigidly stuck to and it's a mindset change that is needed.

I mean surely it works by reducing craving so that you eat less doesnt it? So it works by reducing calories so calories in vs calories out therefore is not bullshit as is so often claimed.

This is the crux of it. I've seen on MN so many times that eating very low calories doesn't work for people. Iim horrified by some of the diets that I've seen posted here that people claim to follow. t's not the actual mechanics is it ? It's the mental toll it takes to constantly feel hungry and thinking about how you can't eat what you want. I don't believe that before weight loss drugs people are eating one tomato and one chicken breast per day and still not losing weight, which is near enough what I've seen posted here multiple times.

SilenceInside · 03/09/2024 09:29

You can read plenty online about how these GLP-1 receptor agonist type drugs work, if you're interested. They act on receptors in the pancreas and brain that normally respond after eating food, to produce an insulin response to adjust blood sugar. These drugs mimic the effect of having recently eaten, so making you feel fuller for longer, less hungry and full quicker when eating. They don't act directly on body fat at all. The effect of stabilising your blood sugar is I think the thing that helps people who struggle to lose weight when already on a lower calorie diet. And potentially helps them to have an even lower calorie diet and not be climbing the walls with hunger.

Grandmasswagbag · 03/09/2024 09:29

It's completely barmy. I understand the use if you've tried everything and are very overweight but people seem to think it's appropriate to use them for being a couple of stone or less overweight. I simply don't understand how anyone can maintain health whilst being on these long term. What about microbiome ? What about gut health and eating enough fiber? I'm seeing people on it are literally eating one little meal of protein per day. Long term that's surely a recipe for bowel cancers at the very least. We need to eat a huge variety of fruits/veg/herbs/seeds/pulses to be healthy. People will end up completely malnourished. If they're not on it long term and just using to lose the weight it's really no different to yoyo dieting, unless they change their habits. And the evidence is showing 2/3rds regain most of the weight.