To be concerned at the number of people lying to get weight loss jabs?

I didn’t say envy. I’m sure you could buy them.

I think people enjoy having what they feel is a moral high ground over overweight people and are furious that obese people can ‘cheat’ to lose weight. They want people to continue to struggle with willpower alone because they can then congratulate themselves on having superior willpower.

It's probably best to wind your neck in before you get off the horse, or you might get your neck tangled up in the reigns 🤷🏻‍♀️

If you're referring to me get off your high horse and wind your neck in.

I've lost 4.5 stone and my BMI has gone from obese to normal and I intend to maintain my goal weight if I can, with exercise, healthy eating and Mounjaro every couple of months. At my age and with my propensity to put on weight, my history of emotional eating and even drinking to excess these drugs have been life-changing, helping me not only to get to a healthy weight but change my relationship with food (and drink). As others have pointed out these drugs are prescribed for maintenance as well but assuming that you would have to remain with the same supplier and take it consistently throughout (not forgetting there was a supply issue last year and they became so expensive for a time many of us had to come off them) I have not taken the risk to explain that to them that I am requesting the drug for maintenance. I tried earlier in the process with Boots when I was in the overweight category, nowhere near my goal weight, to explain to them that I was already using it and just looking to change suppliers and they rejected me!

It should be prescribed routinely for maintenance as well but it seems whenever you change suppliers they will only prescribe if your BMI is in the obese category.

No, I'm saying it's not my business what choices people make for themselves. If they lie and then wreck themselves by taking meds that they shouldn't have been taking, that's not my responsibility to solve. Most people do things right. Why should those people have to care and suggest changes because of the people who are knowingly choosing to abuse medication?

I'm not sure how it's different to lying about your history of psychosis to get 'medical cannabis' or lying about your benzo and alcohol addiction to get diazepam

Those are situations that regularly occur and that I as an NHS Dr wipe up the pieces of on a more than occasional basis.

I am more annoyed at unscrupulous private sector Drs profiteering than I am the people desperate to get prescribed these drugs

That's not an accurate representation of views on this thread. At least one person has literally said they have lied and will lie to get ongoing treatment. They are perfectly happy to obtain the drugs by deception

It isn't just your own business when it comes to prescription drugs
A Dr has to prescribe them for you
They don't prescribe them you don't get them
The reason for that is that it requires medical knowledge to weigh up the risks and benefits of prescription drugs.
If you lie to the Dr and/ or they did not take precautions to prevent that then it's also their business not just yours

I don't think many people, if any, think obtaining drugs fraudulently doesn't cause harm. I think what people are saying is if people want to take the risk of fucking themselves up that's their business. As long as they aren't hurting anyone else in the process let them crack on with it. That goes for anything. I'm not concerning myself with what other people stuff up their noses at the weekend, or smoke in their bedrooms, or inject into their bodies. If you're going to care, care about it all. Not just this.

@sahah the relevant regulatory body is already aware of potential issues and will no doubt take action as they have done in the past. Especially because of the frequent media articles about people taking illegal or fraudulently obtained versions.

Do you think that more needs to be done, or something else?

What's your solution? Prosecute the people who are buying prescription meds by deception? Not allow anyone to have them because some people decide the rules don't apply to them? Put everyone on a years-long waiting list to see a weight-loss clinic to be prescribed then face-to-face and just hope they don't die of complications in the meantime?

I've taken Tamoxifen which is supposedly the gold standard drug to prevent breast cancer reoccurrence. Yeah great, except it has also been clinically shown to increase my risk of a stroke, osteoporosis and heart disease. So damaging my future health whilst supposedly 'helping' me. Taking Mounjaro seems like a bloody tea party in comparison.

This is people’s problem without a doubt. They like fat people being fat.

I’m not sure it’s understood that this is quite hardcore medication that can lower blood sugar. If you take it and aren’t obese and have lied about weight then it could make you ill even if it is the genuine stuff.

It makes me uncomfortable even when people on the threads have lied about their weight a little bit to get it to lose a stone or two.

I take it and I have mixed feelings about it!

These drugs make it easier to eat healthily, this leads to improved diet & body composition.
All of the benefits are a result of improved diet & body composition.

I read the full thread. No they would not benefit you. They may have positive side effects, but the consequences for you would not be positive as you have no weight to lose. Do you want to look emaciated like Sharon Osborne?

@Snugglemonkey
There was a source up thread from my post saying that positive effect re heart disease, dementia and cancer were independent of weight loss. So yes, they may well benefit me, just as they be of benefit to others who are normal weight.

I would hazard it's because weight and weight loss are incredibly emotive subjects. I suspect that much (not all) of this concern is actually faux. Underneath, people are resentful that some are able to spend a lot of money to get slimmer more easily. Having this kind of money = very unfair. Using it to get slimmer = doubly unfair.

@sahah those "I got it from the nail salon" posts are the ones that get challenged. I don't think I've seen that many, and those that I have get challenged and told they're getting illegal drugs from illegal suppliers.

Asda only ask for photos after you've filled out the consultation.

I didn't have to send photos with Voy. I didn't go through with it in the end, but just had to input my weight and height. Would have been easy to exaggerate if I'd wanted to.

Whenever anyone posts about wanting to use injections to lose one or two stones, who clearly has a BMI of less than 30, they are usually told straightaway by several posters that they won't qualify. Same if they ask for places that don't ask for photos or ID. Or anything else that seems dodgy. I don't think I've seen a post where people have encouraged lying or faking photos, or buying from illegal suppliers.

I think MN would probably remove posts that suggest taking illegal or fraudulent action if someone reported them.

YABU to believe what you read on the daily mail