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First day of school & DH storms out, says he's moving out!

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Aperolling28 · 02/09/2024 08:13

First day for DS (3) starting a new preschool. He woke up last night for 3 hours in the middle of the night so we were both awake. We had the same thing the night before so he was shattered and grumpy this morning.
The plan was that we would both take him on his first day. So whilst i'm getting ready, I could hear DH shouting at DS "do not tip the basket of toys over, it makes lots of mess, do not do that, I said no, you will go on time out, right thats it, time out". Toys get tipped over, DS is screaming, he gets put on time out.
My AIBU is that I then intervene and say to my DH, cut him some slack - its his first day at school, he's only 3, he hasn't slept properly for 2 nights, he was always going to be like this today, we've got 30 mins to get ready, he doesn't normally wake up and behave like this unless he is very tired". Consequently DH then flips out, says he isn't coming and he is going to move out. In amongst all that DH asks if I want him to come and I say yes come if you can control your temper, don't come if you are going to be angry, creating a bad atmosphere. He then storms out.
DS goes to school fine, but hasn't eaten any breakfast because he was in such a state.
Ordinarily i'm firm with him but this morning I would have dealt with it differently to avoid the meltdown.

OP posts:
PinkyFlamingo · 02/09/2024 13:04

If he can be 'normal" with friends but not you he's not depressed.

Aperolling28 · 02/09/2024 13:00

@Grammarnut i don't know why you think there was some drama about DS first day. There wasn't any of my doing. Your son's first day at school was exactly my son's first day. I got my son dressed, packed his kit to take, and took him to school, he ran straight in, didn't look back and had a great morning. There were no tears last night or this morning related to going to school - he was upset by DS shouting at him. It is not uncommon for DH to drop off/pick up at preschool because he works remotely and is easily able to do so.
It was more of a big deal for us because 7 months ago we had DS enrolled into a montessori preschool and he hated it, cried every morning, didn't want to get dressed or leave the house and the school couldn't cope with him. He became withdrawn and it was a very stressful time. But thats in the past, he did eally well today.

OP posts:
HolidayAtNight · 02/09/2024 12:58

If you read about someone having an angry outburst following a minor incident, and your kneejerk response is, "What did the OP do to cause this? How should she better tiptoe around his temper? What ways can I suggest that would make this out to be at least partially her fault?" that is not a healthy reaction.

CaptainMyCaptain · 02/09/2024 12:55

PeriIsKickingMyButt · 02/09/2024 08:25

He sounds like a dick. I do think you made too much of a deal out of pre school though. It's not good for kids to have a big fuss around transitions and teaches them to feel anxious as the adults in their lives make it bigger than it needs to be.

As an Early years teacher I totally agree with this.

MSLRT · 02/09/2024 12:53

Aperolling28 · 02/09/2024 10:32

@Tatiepot yes this is what I wonder. To our friends hes very extroverted, charming, the life and soul of the party, personable. But at home its a like a pendulum, i don't know what mood he is going to be in, day to day. When i spoke to his therapist she said that it was his battle to deal with and I need to stop trying to manage it or it will impact my mental health.
We went on holiday over the summer and for 10 days he wouldn't only speak to me with 1 or 2 word answers, basically didn't speak to me unless I asked a question. I could sense he was angry but he wouldn't tell me why. We holidayed in the same place as friends and he was 'normal' around them.
After 10 days I told him his behaviour was unacceptable and I didn't want to be married to someone like this and we should figure out how to separate and then he cried and apologised, said he was depressed, his behaviour was not ok, and I didn't ubderstand how he felt. Its a cycle that seems to be happening more frequently. I am looking at my options of leaving. I wouldn't stay in a marriage like this but I also wouldn't walk away without knowing we had tried everything. We have been under alot of stress -being overseas, son with suspected autism, work, family dramas.

Suffering from depression does not give you a get out of jail free card for treating everybody like crap. You shouldn't have to put up with this.

AlertCat · 02/09/2024 12:51

OopsyDaisie · 02/09/2024 12:30

I totally agreevwith this, but (and I ask this really wanting to understand ir, not criticising you) how does that work when there's a DC involved?
I mean, you divorce, so you don't need to live with some with NPD but they will still have DC at least EOW (assuming OP would have main custody), so the chold would still need to deal with the NPD parent, and on their own?

You have to be reliable- do what you say you’ll do; consistent; validate their feelings; love them; and not use them as your own emotional support. And not slag off the other parent, nor defend the indefensible - but listen if the child needs to tell you things. It’s really hard, but as you say, there isn’t a choice. However, it is enormously preferable to them living full time with a narcissist, while your mental health and their brain development are traumatised and retraumatised (I’m not exaggerating: this stuff can leave children and adults with CPTSD). They can learn what normal, healthy relationships look like and that it’s ok to leave a toxic environment.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 02/09/2024 12:48

I don't allow my dp to shout at us. The only rare times he's ever done it (I mean proper shouting not the kind of snappy raised voices that we can all slip into and no one is upset by) I've made him sleep somewhere else that night. I'm not having my babies grow up in a home where that's seen as acceptable.
I'm adamant that we will all speak to each other with respect at all times no matter what is going on. Its so important.

HebburnPokemon · 02/09/2024 12:45

Getonwitit · 02/09/2024 12:42

Oh that's alright then, another excuse for them to abuse women and get away with it.

I made the comment before I read he was a diagnosed narc.

NPD never ends well. OP please leave before he does anymore damage to you and your son.

5128gap · 02/09/2024 12:45

PureBoggin · 02/09/2024 12:35

How often do you undermine his parenting? It wasn't unreasonable for him to set boundaries with your child about the toy basket. If you use time out as a method of dealing with your child's behaviour then it wasn't unreasonable for him to use it this time. If what happened this morning - him parenting your joint child and you telling him he was unreasonable (especially if this happened in front of the child) then I can understand why he was angry.

He absolutely shouldn't have had a tantrum but it sounds like you both need to have a think about how you want to parent your child and how you deal with any conflict that arises.

No. No, she doesn't. Her H is not well mentally and is reacting inappropriately to DS because of this. The very minimum OP needs to do is 'undermine' him, because her DS needs to know he can trust one of his parents. The OPs posts made it very clear this isn't just an isolated case of disagreement about how to handle discipline. The man is inconsistent, irrational and disproportionate in his reactions, regularly. Because he is ill. The OP does not need to be persuaded to have a think about how she can better collude with that.

Peachy2005 · 02/09/2024 12:43

@Aperolling28 you HAVE tried everything to save your marriage but you REALLY need to protect your son. Even your H’s therapist has told you it’s not on you to save your H.

I grew up in a house like this, always waiting for the hammer to fall…it led to severe depression in my late teens and twenties and a hell of a lot of therapy over the course of years to unravel. My sister also needed a lot of therapy, my brother was resistant to having any therapy (his life is a mess) and, hand on heart, it has massively affected the course of all our lives. That can’t be what you want for your DS!

Twitchyeyebrow · 02/09/2024 12:43

OP reading all your comments you need to start making a safe plan to leave.

He's an abusive narcissist. Not one people have guessed at without knowing him, he is actually diagnosed as this!! 😔😕 He won't become a better person or partner or parent.

Can you get some legal advice?

How did you come to be living abroad??
Do you both work? You sound isolated.

I really feel for your ds. Did you let preschool know he hadn't eaten and was tired?? Hopefully they can give him a little more at snack time and keep an eye on him.

This isn't good for your child living with a man like this. You need to make a drastic change.

Getonwitit · 02/09/2024 12:42

HebburnPokemon · 02/09/2024 12:32

Depression in men can often manifest as anger

Oh that's alright then, another excuse for them to abuse women and get away with it.

Pinkbonbon · 02/09/2024 12:42

ScrollingLeaves · 02/09/2024 12:05

If she leaves him he’ll still get to be alone with his child and would be absolutely free to get as angry as he wants with no one to stop him. That is the law.

As if he's going to bother his ass spending much time alone with a child that he doesn't even enjoy spending time with now.

Plus, part of npd abuse is abusing the child TO abuse the mother. If she's not there to see it, he doesn't have to 'play up for the cameras'.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 02/09/2024 12:39

Testina · 02/09/2024 08:38

he does suffer from depression and often it manifests as anger

Bullshit.

Agreed. Depression is no excuse for these rage outbursts. And I know everyone is different but all the people who I've known to be depressed have been quiet and withdrawn, a tornado could go past and they wouldn't get up. Or the other way, putting on a happy face and trying to to make everyone happy.
All these explosive outbursts are unacceptable. It's going to put your son on edge, and you on edge.

Testina · 02/09/2024 12:37

HebburnPokemon · 02/09/2024 12:32

Depression in men can often manifest as anger

I’m still calling bullshit though 🤷🏻‍♀️
If he can manage his “anger” around his friends, Mr Life & Soul of the Party could manage it around his THREE year old. Just another bullying abusive prick, depression or no depression.

IsThePopeCatholic · 02/09/2024 12:35

Your dh needs to grow up.

PureBoggin · 02/09/2024 12:35

How often do you undermine his parenting? It wasn't unreasonable for him to set boundaries with your child about the toy basket. If you use time out as a method of dealing with your child's behaviour then it wasn't unreasonable for him to use it this time. If what happened this morning - him parenting your joint child and you telling him he was unreasonable (especially if this happened in front of the child) then I can understand why he was angry.

He absolutely shouldn't have had a tantrum but it sounds like you both need to have a think about how you want to parent your child and how you deal with any conflict that arises.

ThatsCute · 02/09/2024 12:35

OopsyDaisie · 02/09/2024 12:30

I totally agreevwith this, but (and I ask this really wanting to understand ir, not criticising you) how does that work when there's a DC involved?
I mean, you divorce, so you don't need to live with some with NPD but they will still have DC at least EOW (assuming OP would have main custody), so the chold would still need to deal with the NPD parent, and on their own?

I don’t know what the answer is, but based on what I’ve seen, if a child is in a household with a parent with NPD 100% of the time, it is very damaging to the child and affects their relationships with others into adulthood. I would view it as better for the child to see the parent with NPD less frequently than the resident parent.

Grammarnut · 02/09/2024 12:33

I remember taking my three-year-old DS to playschool for the first time. My DH did not come with us as he was working (teacher, so could not take day off even had this been an option we thought of). Mostly mothers dropping children off. I dropped off DS, hung up his coat for him and took him to the helpers, and left. No drama. This was 1981 and I was expecting my DD, so went home and put feet up. Collected him 3 hours later with no drama. It wasn't a special thing.
First day at school was a bit more dramatic, by again teacher DH not there. Went off to visit a friend after school, who suggested I might like to listen about DS's day, which I did. No tears and no upset the night before, either afaik.

Why do both parents needs to be there at first day of nursery school?
NB A bit OTT to say 'leaving home' over this. Is your DH three? In which case pack him a sandwich and a drink in a tied-up hankie on a stick and suggest he camp at the bottom of the garden. This usually works with 3-year-olds.

HebburnPokemon · 02/09/2024 12:32

Testina · 02/09/2024 08:38

he does suffer from depression and often it manifests as anger

Bullshit.

Depression in men can often manifest as anger

OopsyDaisie · 02/09/2024 12:30

ThatsCute · 02/09/2024 09:24

No way would I stay married to someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I would cut my losses and end it—I’ve never seen a successful outcome of a relationship with someone with NPD—only damaged children and a damaged partner.

I totally agreevwith this, but (and I ask this really wanting to understand ir, not criticising you) how does that work when there's a DC involved?
I mean, you divorce, so you don't need to live with some with NPD but they will still have DC at least EOW (assuming OP would have main custody), so the chold would still need to deal with the NPD parent, and on their own?

HebburnPokemon · 02/09/2024 12:29

TheyWentToSeaInASieve · 02/09/2024 08:32

I live with one of these. I was hoping things would get easier with time. But now the children are 13, it seems to be even worse. We all walk around on egg shells in a permanent state of anxiety. It's depressing.

Why have you put your kids through that? (for years!)

MrsCBY · 02/09/2024 12:25

NoWayRose · 02/09/2024 08:39

The three-year/old is expected to be a model citizen while he has big nuclear tantrum himself

100% this.

And big nuclear tantrums from a parent, including a threat to abandon the child, and not even an apology afterwards, are a form of emotional abuse.

OP, I hope you’re beginning to see that this is abuse and that you need to protect your child, and yourself.

Neither of you deserves to live like this.

Nanny0gg · 02/09/2024 12:20

Aperolling28 · 02/09/2024 10:32

@Tatiepot yes this is what I wonder. To our friends hes very extroverted, charming, the life and soul of the party, personable. But at home its a like a pendulum, i don't know what mood he is going to be in, day to day. When i spoke to his therapist she said that it was his battle to deal with and I need to stop trying to manage it or it will impact my mental health.
We went on holiday over the summer and for 10 days he wouldn't only speak to me with 1 or 2 word answers, basically didn't speak to me unless I asked a question. I could sense he was angry but he wouldn't tell me why. We holidayed in the same place as friends and he was 'normal' around them.
After 10 days I told him his behaviour was unacceptable and I didn't want to be married to someone like this and we should figure out how to separate and then he cried and apologised, said he was depressed, his behaviour was not ok, and I didn't ubderstand how he felt. Its a cycle that seems to be happening more frequently. I am looking at my options of leaving. I wouldn't stay in a marriage like this but I also wouldn't walk away without knowing we had tried everything. We have been under alot of stress -being overseas, son with suspected autism, work, family dramas.

And he sounds very manipulative

Nanny0gg · 02/09/2024 12:17

Aperolling28 · 02/09/2024 09:07

@sunseaandsoundingoff yes we are. I think his behaviour is impacted by his poor mental health so he seems to think differently to everyone else

That shouldn't be your DS's problem

Do you work? Are you in the country of your H? Was your son born there?

I don't know what your husband brings to the family