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CherryValley5 · 01/09/2024 20:15

Do you have it? Would you get it?

Having just received DD’s (eye watering) PHI renewal it struck me that 10 years ago it would not have even entered my mind to insure a teenager, nowadays it would feel like borderline neglect if I cancelled her policy and instead made her sit on endless NHS waiting lists. I am insured too through work and would never take another job that didn’t offer it. Just sitting here in disbelief that something I would’ve called a luxury not too long ago now feels like an essential for quality of life. It’s so depressing!

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ViciousCurrentBun · 04/09/2024 08:12

No but I have paid privately twice for tests when I didn’t want to wait. I have quite a few chronic health conditions and I think my premiums would be ridiculously high so have never looked in to it. My friend has it through her job, she would like to change jobs but stays because of the health insurance package.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 04/09/2024 07:58

No. I can't really justify the costs but I've also never had any issues getting care on the NHS. I had blood tests on Monday, had my results yesterday and have an appointment today for a follow up. I'm not sure what extra benefit I'd get from going private?

I do have private dental insurance but that's only because there are no NHS dentists taking on patients here.

TeamPolin · 04/09/2024 07:32

My husband has it for all of us through work. We've had it for a decade but It's been worth its weight in gold for the past 3 years. Helped DS get a prompt diagnosis for Meniere's Disease which meant we got him onto a good medication regime quickly. I also used it to get a ligament repaired in my foot in 2022.

I hope Labour will manage to rescue parts of the NHS so it's not needed as much in future. But ultimately you get what you pay for. And people have got too used to hearing the myth that you can have ultra low taxes and still run a reasonable welfare state. I would honestly pay higher tax if it meant that the NHS was fit for purpose and people could get the care they need. Hate the thought of us moving towards a US type healthcare model.

Tralalaka · 04/09/2024 07:13

BeatenbySassafras · 03/09/2024 23:08

I'm a PMI sceptic. Fair enough if you have it as a work benefit you may as well rinse it. But I think PMI would be poor value for money in my circumstances. I have Bipolar Disorder - SMI is nearly always flat out excluded and I imagine would jack up the premium too. As much use as a chocolate fireguard if you find yourself detained in one of His Majesty's finest NHS acute psychiatric wards.

Surprised to see a lot here have their kids covered too. I assumed children's care was still one of the more responsive and better performing parts of the health service (especially for emergencies/serious illness).

I suppose it depends on one's attitude to health and tolerance for risk. I am not a heavy user of the NHS - I see a psychiatrist infrequently and get quarterly physical health monitoring for lithium. That's it.I haven't been to the GP in a decade and try to self manage as much as possible. My threshold for accessing healthcare is high and I am willing to 'play the odds' to some extent as an otherwise healthy adult in my early 30s. Honestly I would prefer spending my disposable income on enjoying my life now and saving the rest. If I were earning a high income and had dependants I would likely prioritise a critical illness and/or income protection policy before spending on PMI.

Hearing that some consultants are charging top up fees to BUPA patients because they consider the reimbursement rates inadequate is hardly as selling point. Likewise high excess. I get a lot more 'piece of mind' having a healthy emergency fund.

Kids being covered was a priority for me. Since my kids were babies I had them privately. Not because I thought the doctors were better, well they were consultants rather than more junior doctors, but they all still had NHS practices. But because I could choose who I wanted them to see and more importantly had them seen without a wait. It’s also invaluable for chronic conditions NHS would make them wait for years for or wouldn’t do such as tonsils adenoids etc

BeatenbySassafras · 04/09/2024 00:03

WalkersAntler · 03/09/2024 23:31

Company PMI policies often cover pre-existing conditions, whereas those taken out individually do not.
I was amazed that my company policy covered my serious MH condition which I have had for 30+ years.
I spent a month in a private psychiatric hospital recently which was covered by my policy and was a much more comfortable and less traumatic environment than my previous stay in an NHS psychiatric hospital.

I live in a part of the UK where there are no private psychiatric hospitals. I'm not sure how insurance would work for patients detained under MHA, more so requiring PICU. Maybe you would get a rebate?

I agree that psychiatric hospitals are terrible in general whether NHS or block beds in Cygnet/Priory et al. Good to hear you had a positive inpatient experience. I imagine the other main advantage would be easier access to psychological therapies which are rationed heavily in NHS.

WalkersAntler · 03/09/2024 23:31

BeatenbySassafras · 03/09/2024 23:08

I'm a PMI sceptic. Fair enough if you have it as a work benefit you may as well rinse it. But I think PMI would be poor value for money in my circumstances. I have Bipolar Disorder - SMI is nearly always flat out excluded and I imagine would jack up the premium too. As much use as a chocolate fireguard if you find yourself detained in one of His Majesty's finest NHS acute psychiatric wards.

Surprised to see a lot here have their kids covered too. I assumed children's care was still one of the more responsive and better performing parts of the health service (especially for emergencies/serious illness).

I suppose it depends on one's attitude to health and tolerance for risk. I am not a heavy user of the NHS - I see a psychiatrist infrequently and get quarterly physical health monitoring for lithium. That's it.I haven't been to the GP in a decade and try to self manage as much as possible. My threshold for accessing healthcare is high and I am willing to 'play the odds' to some extent as an otherwise healthy adult in my early 30s. Honestly I would prefer spending my disposable income on enjoying my life now and saving the rest. If I were earning a high income and had dependants I would likely prioritise a critical illness and/or income protection policy before spending on PMI.

Hearing that some consultants are charging top up fees to BUPA patients because they consider the reimbursement rates inadequate is hardly as selling point. Likewise high excess. I get a lot more 'piece of mind' having a healthy emergency fund.

Company PMI policies often cover pre-existing conditions, whereas those taken out individually do not.
I was amazed that my company policy covered my serious MH condition which I have had for 30+ years.
I spent a month in a private psychiatric hospital recently which was covered by my policy and was a much more comfortable and less traumatic environment than my previous stay in an NHS psychiatric hospital.

BeatenbySassafras · 03/09/2024 23:08

I'm a PMI sceptic. Fair enough if you have it as a work benefit you may as well rinse it. But I think PMI would be poor value for money in my circumstances. I have Bipolar Disorder - SMI is nearly always flat out excluded and I imagine would jack up the premium too. As much use as a chocolate fireguard if you find yourself detained in one of His Majesty's finest NHS acute psychiatric wards.

Surprised to see a lot here have their kids covered too. I assumed children's care was still one of the more responsive and better performing parts of the health service (especially for emergencies/serious illness).

I suppose it depends on one's attitude to health and tolerance for risk. I am not a heavy user of the NHS - I see a psychiatrist infrequently and get quarterly physical health monitoring for lithium. That's it.I haven't been to the GP in a decade and try to self manage as much as possible. My threshold for accessing healthcare is high and I am willing to 'play the odds' to some extent as an otherwise healthy adult in my early 30s. Honestly I would prefer spending my disposable income on enjoying my life now and saving the rest. If I were earning a high income and had dependants I would likely prioritise a critical illness and/or income protection policy before spending on PMI.

Hearing that some consultants are charging top up fees to BUPA patients because they consider the reimbursement rates inadequate is hardly as selling point. Likewise high excess. I get a lot more 'piece of mind' having a healthy emergency fund.

KitsyWitsy · 03/09/2024 22:37

My whole family has it. I wouldn’t be without it.

Portakalkedi · 03/09/2024 22:27

Ýes, via my husband's job, but it's not that useful for us as we'd have to travel to the other side of the country to use their listed consultants/hospitals. Fine if you live in or near a major city, but they don't have proper or adequate coverage imo. We certainly wouldn't pay for it while living here.

CherryValley5 · 03/09/2024 22:01

DrPeculiar · 03/09/2024 13:05

I’ve got low cost cover through Beneden, not all singing/dancing but it’s something, I buy it for me and DC. I used to have Bupa through work but lost it when I moved to the public sector.

Beneden

We used to have Benenden before getting ‘proper’ insurance - they were fantastic and so easy to deal with.

Of course they have limitations in what they can cover but for the price it is an amazing service and a very useful backup to the NHS.

I believe it has gotten so popular now though that you have to wait 2 years in order to be able to claim for any procedures! Used to be 6 months when we joined in 2018, definitely a sign of the times..

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blueshoes · 03/09/2024 21:42

CherryValley5 · 03/09/2024 21:34

Would you call my DD (then 16/17) having to deteriorate in pain for 2 years on an NHS waiting list for major surgery responsive?

Sorry for your dd's experience. I can understand your anger and frustration. My dd's experience was very different.

I still don't think the correct word is 'borderline neglectful' when many people do not have a choice in the matter.

StormingNorman · 03/09/2024 21:36

I have Benenden which covers pre-existing conditions and a private policy through DH work. Wouldn’t be without it. Although I still pay for private prescriptions because the NHS doesn’t fund the treatment I need and neither policy pays for ongoing prescriptions for chronic conditions.

CherryValley5 · 03/09/2024 21:34

blueshoes · 03/09/2024 21:30

It is not borderline neglectful to not include children on PHI. I feel that the NHS is more responsive when it comes to treating children, than treating adults except for mental health where everyone is screwed.

It is expensive but I recently put the whole family on my company's policy because of the parlous state of the NHS.

Check the terms of the policy. Ideally it would be Medical History Disregarded (covers pre-existing conditions) rather than moratorium underwriting (you are covered for pre-existing conditions only if you were free from medication or treatment for two continuous years after the start of the policy).

Would you call my DD (then 16/17) having to deteriorate in pain for 2 years on an NHS waiting list for major surgery responsive?

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UhHuhHuH · 03/09/2024 21:32

blueshoes · 03/09/2024 21:30

It is not borderline neglectful to not include children on PHI. I feel that the NHS is more responsive when it comes to treating children, than treating adults except for mental health where everyone is screwed.

It is expensive but I recently put the whole family on my company's policy because of the parlous state of the NHS.

Check the terms of the policy. Ideally it would be Medical History Disregarded (covers pre-existing conditions) rather than moratorium underwriting (you are covered for pre-existing conditions only if you were free from medication or treatment for two continuous years after the start of the policy).

What are you even talking about?

Read the OP.

blueshoes · 03/09/2024 21:30

UhHuhHuH · 03/09/2024 21:17

Yes I do through work. It’s distasteful to say it’s ‘borderline neglectful’ to not have it given so many have no choice.

It is not borderline neglectful to not include children on PHI. I feel that the NHS is more responsive when it comes to treating children, than treating adults except for mental health where everyone is screwed.

It is expensive but I recently put the whole family on my company's policy because of the parlous state of the NHS.

Check the terms of the policy. Ideally it would be Medical History Disregarded (covers pre-existing conditions) rather than moratorium underwriting (you are covered for pre-existing conditions only if you were free from medication or treatment for two continuous years after the start of the policy).

CherryValley5 · 03/09/2024 21:29

lifebyfaith · 03/09/2024 21:27

No. I fully accept that if my time is up I will bow out gracefully (hopefully with some pain relief from the nhs).

What about non life threatening conditions? Pain especially can have a massive effect on your quality of life, ability to hold down a job, socialise etc. Is saving a bit of money on insurance worth having to potentially wait years on a new hip for example?

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lifebyfaith · 03/09/2024 21:27

No. I fully accept that if my time is up I will bow out gracefully (hopefully with some pain relief from the nhs).

TheoriginalMrsDarcy · 03/09/2024 21:24

I pay privately for health care. After the few horror stories I've heard about long waiting lists for treatment on the NHS, I've decided to err on the side of caution for DH, me and DD. It's about £130 a month for all 3 of us.

yeesh · 03/09/2024 21:23

We do through my husband’s work but we never use it

UhHuhHuH · 03/09/2024 21:17

Yes I do through work. It’s distasteful to say it’s ‘borderline neglectful’ to not have it given so many have no choice.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 03/09/2024 21:17

@Ditsycamper

I think it depends whereabouts in the UK you are.

Where we are, things aren't too bad for cancer care. My husband had a prostate cancer scare and everything was done so quickly.

We would also consider going abroad for certain treatments like hip replacements if we needed them. I haven't really looked in to it, as I haven't had to fortunately, but I think that some countries are beginning to cater especially for British customers who can't afford private treament in the UK. And I believe that the standards are just as good and perhaps better as long as you choose carefully.

bluebee17 · 03/09/2024 21:16

Yes all of us is insured haven't used it yet thank god just gives me peace of mind

TheHateIsNotGood · 03/09/2024 21:16

No. Just like many other people.

CherryValley5 · 03/09/2024 21:15

Ditsycamper · 03/09/2024 21:00

I've not used my BUPA yet, is it easy to get access to GP or a pharmacist online? I need a drug I am on to be changed back to the original one (the NHS gave me a cheaper version with side effects and its a 6 week wait to get an appt) (sorry to railroad thread)

Their virtual GP service is very easy to use - if you go on the app there are often appointments available within the hour. You may struggle a bit re: the medication query though as they don’t have any access to your NHS GP records.

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bouncydog · 03/09/2024 21:14

Always had it during my working life as part of my package for the whole family and it was a godsend. However the cost post retirement is in excess of £20k p.a for DH and I and I refuse to pay that amount. In the event we need anything doing and don’t want to wait will fund from savings.

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