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To end the friendship with toxic person... but how?

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LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 14:22

First time poster. Been friends with 'Jill' for nearly 5 years. Our DDs became good friends. Her marriage ended, then mine, we became close supporting each other through this.

However, and I don't want to get into too much depth due to fear of exposure and the fact it'd be a novel, the last year my eyes have been opened to who she really is.

A user, taking what she wants from people while they're useful, speaking badly behind their backs. A liar, I truly believe she is a pathological liar.... Needless lies ranging up to huge things. She cheated numerous times on ex husband and the finance she got 4 years ago, which I kept secret. A financial mess, always living beyond her means and I pickup the pieces to the point i housed her for a while, regularly lent money i had to beg for back. The things she has done to me on my darkest days, well I cannot believe I put up with them, but i always walked away feeling like it was me or my fault - she is incredibly manipulatative. This past year, she lost a lot of friends due to her cheating ways coming out. Now she is desperate for friends, sh is all over me. And her DD? Well, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. DDs are not friends anymore.

I want to get away from her, but I don't want to shouting and drama. I know if I was honest and told her what a vile person she is, it would be a huge mess. She also knows very personal things about me that would all be spread over social media. When everyone who ended friendships with her this past year, she's spread horrible lies about them.

How do i end this? Help

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DarkDarkNight · 02/09/2024 20:59

The fact she has spread horrible lies about people who have broke off friendships with her works in your favour. People will see she has for. For lying / causing drama / talking shit and just assume it’s more of the same. They won’t know what’s true and what isn’t.

I would just withdraw and ghost her, leave longer between texts, don’t respond to requests to meet. You could just directly and without a big fall out say the friendship isn’t working for you anymore and leave it at that.

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 01/09/2024 17:51

Agree with a PP, ask her for a large loan.

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 17:48

Lizzy1980 · 01/09/2024 17:43

She sounds like an absolute nightmare in general but it’s the fact that you always come away feeling like you’re in the wrong that makes her a truly ‘toxic friend’.
Not a friend, but I have a relative like this and in the end I had to stop all contact for my own well being and that of my other family members. It wasn’t particularly pleasant at the time but once it was all over I felt like a huge weight had been lifted from my shoulders. I initially feared that she’d gossip and spread lies about me but a good friend who had been supporting me said listen, people aren’t stupid. Everyone will be fully aware of the kind of person she is and will take anything she says with a pinch of salt. She can be very charming and people fall in love with her the moment they meet her but as my friend said, people aren’t daft and it never takes long for them to catch on to what a person is really like. The sooner you get this person out of your life the better. I can understand you wanting to avoid a confrontation if you think she might turn nasty and although I don’t think ghosting someone is necessarily the right thing to do under normal circumstances, I don’t think she deserves any better. Do you think that she’d get the hint if you just started avoiding her and not replying to her texts? X

Oh I'm sorry that happened to you, must be so much harder with a family member. You hit the nail on the head re. Charm. The word I'd thought of using was 'magnetic'. Masks fall I guess.

Everyone has made me think clearer.. what if she does say stuff, whether that be lies or character assassination? It's not the end of the world, and I'd like to think people who know me would see through it.

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Lizzy1980 · 01/09/2024 17:43

She sounds like an absolute nightmare in general but it’s the fact that you always come away feeling like you’re in the wrong that makes her a truly ‘toxic friend’.
Not a friend, but I have a relative like this and in the end I had to stop all contact for my own well being and that of my other family members. It wasn’t particularly pleasant at the time but once it was all over I felt like a huge weight had been lifted from my shoulders. I initially feared that she’d gossip and spread lies about me but a good friend who had been supporting me said listen, people aren’t stupid. Everyone will be fully aware of the kind of person she is and will take anything she says with a pinch of salt. She can be very charming and people fall in love with her the moment they meet her but as my friend said, people aren’t daft and it never takes long for them to catch on to what a person is really like. The sooner you get this person out of your life the better. I can understand you wanting to avoid a confrontation if you think she might turn nasty and although I don’t think ghosting someone is necessarily the right thing to do under normal circumstances, I don’t think she deserves any better. Do you think that she’d get the hint if you just started avoiding her and not replying to her texts? X

PoppyFleur · 01/09/2024 17:06

probster · 01/09/2024 14:36

so….

you’re busy
you have children

realistically how often could you get together with her socially?

in any event, for drama to be sustained it requires both parties to be fanning the flames.

Dont fan the flames and it will fizzle out in time

This!

No need for drama, no need for anything to be said. If she texts just say you are just swamped at the moment with work, kids, etc that you don’t have a moment to yourself.

Unless you met up weekly, surely it’s fairly easy to avoid getting together.

Choosenandenough · 01/09/2024 16:30

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 14:36

I suppose I'm scared about what she will say about me to other people. I think this is the hold she has over me.

I get that, totally, but I’d hope that the amount of people she’s done that to would be enough for folk to realise it’s her. It’s not that easy though. I know this would be a lie but I’d say I was feeling depressed, I was taking new anti depressants and I was feeling pretty bad on them right now. Then try and grey rock her. Might not be honest but it’s what I’d try because I understand when you’ve told folk stuff and it’s terrifying. I hate thinking about people going through stuff like this.

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 16:26

probster · 01/09/2024 16:16

so op

im sort of failing to see the big issue

you work, single parent presumably very busy
she’s made loads of enemies
you’re worried about her spreading stuff
most won’t take seriously
those the do…. 🤷
talk to your ex about any shit that might come flying out of her mouth
and you’re leaving so really… why do you care what anyone in this hellish sounding community (cult!) thinks

Maybe it's just how I am, I don't want to be friends with everyone but I also don't want people I know/know of seeing me badly. I don't want the kids affected. I also don't want people in my industry hearing negative things about me.

Also, we're leaving in a year, as that's how long it'll take me to save to come home... rents, deposit, furniture and all those bits. I know I can't avoid some kind of conversation with her for a whole year!

I think I'll do what some others have suggested and use the line about the kids no longer being friends and that's awkward. If it escalates, I'll also say how hard I've found it with all the issues over past year and that it's no longer something I'd like to be involved in.

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Lovelynames123 · 01/09/2024 16:21

With these type of people you just have to assume that those who know you well won't believe it, those who do believe it aren't worth anything to you anyway.

I've had a couple of instances where I've been bad mouthed by people when I've cut them off, my real friends have stuck by me and anyone else can fuck off quite frankly! It's very liberating to realise you don't care what other people think of you!

probster · 01/09/2024 16:16

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 16:14

Yes, we are all ready to leave and will relocate together but not as a couple.

so op

im sort of failing to see the big issue

you work, single parent presumably very busy
she’s made loads of enemies
you’re worried about her spreading stuff
most won’t take seriously
those the do…. 🤷
talk to your ex about any shit that might come flying out of her mouth
and you’re leaving so really… why do you care what anyone in this hellish sounding community (cult!) thinks

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 16:14

probster · 01/09/2024 16:12

in that case

style it out

you’re off soon (does your ex know?)

Yes, we are all ready to leave and will relocate together but not as a couple.

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probster · 01/09/2024 16:12

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 16:05

I am... not soon enough though

in that case

style it out

you’re off soon (does your ex know?)

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 16:05

probster · 01/09/2024 16:03

get off it op
sounds hellish

I am... not soon enough though

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probster · 01/09/2024 16:03

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 16:02

Small island mentality. I appreciate your comments and advise 🙂

get off it op
sounds hellish

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 16:02

probster · 01/09/2024 15:59

this “community” sounds fucking awful

Small island mentality. I appreciate your comments and advise 🙂

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SatansBobbleheadedDashboardOrnament · 01/09/2024 16:01

If she's a shit-stirring liar who has peddled crap about a load of people - and subsequently lost friends for it - nobody is going to give a toss about what she says about you. If you're amicable with your ex-husband, I'd also possibly have a quiet word with him about the friendship. If your daughters aren't friends anymore, this is also a strong reason to heavily cut back on the 'friendship'.

probster · 01/09/2024 15:59

this “community” sounds fucking awful

Caroparo52 · 01/09/2024 15:56

Hi X
Im going to take a break from our relationship. Finding it exhausting to recover from all the drama in your life and I need to save my energy to protect my own mental health.

As for your ex and her new boyfriend... you can't control what others do. But you can control what YOU say and do.

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 15:56

onashipofhopetoday · 01/09/2024 15:45

If your children are no longer friends, what does it matter?

This thread is really confusing.

Sorry its confusing but I'm trying to not be too specific with detail as I know she uses the platform.

It does matter as its two-fold. One I don't want shit back at me, however I could mentally deal with that. Two, I don't want my children being involved in any mess, they're kids, they don't need to get hell off the back of any lies she spreads. I don't think that's unreasonable.

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ALunchbox · 01/09/2024 15:47

' I'm not in the mood for meeting up at the moment. I'll contact you when/if I get my mojo back. Hope all is well on your side.'

onashipofhopetoday · 01/09/2024 15:45

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 15:34

@probster yes you might be quite right. I know I'm overthrowing and possibly over worrying. I'm just aware she has tarnished other people's reputations, things I believed at the time and now know are lies and I'm worried she will do the same to me. Since our children all go to same schools, ofc I don't want anything to affect them.

If your children are no longer friends, what does it matter?

This thread is really confusing.

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 15:34

@probster yes you might be quite right. I know I'm overthrowing and possibly over worrying. I'm just aware she has tarnished other people's reputations, things I believed at the time and now know are lies and I'm worried she will do the same to me. Since our children all go to same schools, ofc I don't want anything to affect them.

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probster · 01/09/2024 15:31

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 15:27

Sorry I'm trying not to out myself. We live on an island, we are both expats. It's a small island but decent population. We all work in similar industry therefore many can know each other via that route. Like you can say a name to me and I might know 'oh he works at xyz company, right?'

and so if she’s lost many friends for appalling behaviour then limited impact if she spread stuff

LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 15:28

AmandaHoldensLips · 01/09/2024 15:26

Priority number one: you have to stop caring about what she does or what she might say about you. I mean, who actually gives a shit? Gossipy people generally have empty lives and mince for brains.

Perhaps one final text along the lines of "I need to step back from our friendship. I wish you every happiness in your life. Best wishes, LaaLaaLady."

Then block her.

Let your silence speak volumes. No responses. No denials, justifications or explanations.

Life's too short for putting up with arseholes.

Thank you, that's actually a nice line to put.

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LaaLaaLady · 01/09/2024 15:27

probster · 01/09/2024 15:20

this is small community
where’s she’s lost loads of friends
but also managed to keep and start new ones

it doesn’t sound like that small a community op

Sorry I'm trying not to out myself. We live on an island, we are both expats. It's a small island but decent population. We all work in similar industry therefore many can know each other via that route. Like you can say a name to me and I might know 'oh he works at xyz company, right?'

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AmandaHoldensLips · 01/09/2024 15:26

Priority number one: you have to stop caring about what she does or what she might say about you. I mean, who actually gives a shit? Gossipy people generally have empty lives and mince for brains.

Perhaps one final text along the lines of "I need to step back from our friendship. I wish you every happiness in your life. Best wishes, LaaLaaLady."

Then block her.

Let your silence speak volumes. No responses. No denials, justifications or explanations.

Life's too short for putting up with arseholes.