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That posting children on social media should be banned?

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TartanPaper · 01/09/2024 12:55

We’ve already seen serious forms of abuse happening and they’re continuing.

The woman who posts her little girl doing handstands in dresses and sucking on ice lollies, the orphan girl who was exploited, the woman who forced her children to cry a certain way when they were already grieving over a pet, the woman who was abusing her kids whilst posting about how to keep them in line, the autistic children whose every move is filmed so their outbursts can be posted…

I think it’s time that all children’s faces were banned from social media till they are 16. The age of having an account should be 16 and social media platforms should be stricter at seeking and banning accounts that posts children’s faces.

I recently came across an account of a small girl and looked at her followers. Nearly all grown men. I selected a few at random and the second one I looked at had no posts and was following nearly all little girls accounts. It’s disgusting, we all know who and what he is but he can stay and watch because the parents and guardians are happy to make money off these small children. Some are literally selling them out to paedophiles in front of our faces and no one can do anything.

I know people will say on here they they post pictures of their kids on private accounts but the things paedos do with the photos of the kids is horrendous, there have been stalking cases, AI generation, children’s faces turned into pornographic images and videos. It’s sickening and surely we need to protect our kids more than we need to share pictures with family or make a few quid out of them?

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CranfordScones · 01/09/2024 13:48

It's unworkable. Are you really going to send parents to prison for sharing pictures with their relatives who live overseas?

StrawberrySwitch · 01/09/2024 13:45

DelurkingAJ · 01/09/2024 12:57

I understand where you are coming from but I think you’re taking the wrong approach. Instead, I believe, the tech companies should get their act together, shut these things down (and have the auto settings mean nothing is shared unless you opt to), and work hand in glove with the police.

Otherwise, shouldn’t we ban taking children to the park because a stranger could video them on their phone. Or to the pool. Or…

I think having a permanent and lasting identifiable personal record of your life is very different. Children can’t consent to that until they are older.

AgnesX · 01/09/2024 13:44

DelurkingAJ · 01/09/2024 12:57

I understand where you are coming from but I think you’re taking the wrong approach. Instead, I believe, the tech companies should get their act together, shut these things down (and have the auto settings mean nothing is shared unless you opt to), and work hand in glove with the police.

Otherwise, shouldn’t we ban taking children to the park because a stranger could video them on their phone. Or to the pool. Or…

Until they do, and isn't going to be soon, it's up to parents to look after their children.

Parents need to be more tech savvy than they are and have their accounts locked down or their children off open forums.

TartanPaper · 01/09/2024 13:40

SoupDragon · 01/09/2024 13:25

Your sledgehammer approach isn't going to protect them.

A tiny number of parents are "exploiting and abusing" their children like this. The vast majority aren't and are using social media to keep in touch with friends and family. Powers to go after parents posting inappropriate images is better, along with locked down definitions of what "inappropriate" is.

So what, we just sit back and allow paedos to continue to stalk kids and take and manipulate their photos because Sandra wants to post pictures of her kids to her 193 followers l? Why is Sanrda’s right to post picture of her kids greater than her children’s right to privacy? To not have their images used in porn?

Sandra is stil exploiting her kids, she just doesn’t know it.

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Aladdinscarpet · 01/09/2024 13:34

I completely agree. I remember when DS was diagnosed with ASD seeing what some parent bloggers posted about their children on SM was shocking. No dignity or privacy afforded to the children and the parents were not going to be getting more support just because “Billy” was having a meltdown on Facebook.

Whereas when my other friends with children with ASD or my children had meltdowns, we tried to attune to them and help them regulate, we didn’t pull out the camera and start recording them.

samarrange · 01/09/2024 13:32

SoupDragon · 01/09/2024 13:25

Your sledgehammer approach isn't going to protect them.

A tiny number of parents are "exploiting and abusing" their children like this. The vast majority aren't and are using social media to keep in touch with friends and family. Powers to go after parents posting inappropriate images is better, along with locked down definitions of what "inappropriate" is.

Powers to go after parents posting inappropriate images is better, along with locked down definitions of what "inappropriate" is.

Hopefully things have improved since 1995... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/julia-somerville-defends-innocent-family-photos-1538516.html

Julia Somerville defends 'innocent family photos'

IS IT every parent's nightmare, or is it simply the best way to protect children? The arrest of newsreader Julia Somerville over allegedly indecent photographs of her seven-year-old daughter has opened the debate this weekend on the law relating to chi...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/julia-somerville-defends-innocent-family-photos-1538516.html

Lwrenn · 01/09/2024 13:32

I was out with my pal a few months back and we popped into a cafe and she realised she knew a little lass in there, she kept saying, "I know her face, maybe an an advert?" Anyway it was a local influencers little girl, she realised when her mum turned around how she recognised the little girl.
She follows her account for hair/beauty I think she said. (She had nice hair so it's possible I'm making that bit up 😂)
Anyway it freaked me out, imagine strangers knowing your dc's (not sure how old the little girl was, anywhere from 4-6) name etc? The little girls name was relatively unusual and I am a massive worrier when it comes to kids and immediately hoped that nurseries or schools etc really follow protocol with passwords and double checking etc, because if uniform pics are posted or anything and someone extremely manipulative and convincing tries to collect her, well its just scary isn't it?
I'm very opposed to kiddos being posted online. Just what's app their pics to your aunty Jan as a PP said.
(I do have an aunty Jan!)

QuiteAnEpicFailure · 01/09/2024 13:31

People who posting their kids online for financial gain should be banned. It’s exploitative and there is not regulation like there would be if there were being made to work in a factory or shop. People posting some pics of their own kids on private Facebook pages etc is completely different.

lljkk · 01/09/2024 13:29

WhatsApp is now considered social media.

So literally me sending a pic to my dad of his grandkids would become a criminal offense?

If banned from SM then also banned from advertisements?

Just saying.

Errors · 01/09/2024 13:29

People who say they use it to ‘keep in touch with friends and family’
Why not just use WhatsApp??

coxesorangepippin · 01/09/2024 13:28

I remember there was a US influencer who was meant to adopt a baby and then cancelled last minute because the country she was adopting from were not allowing for adoptees to be shown on social media for the first year following adoption.

^

Despicable

Just what kids who are in the position to be adopted need!

coxesorangepippin · 01/09/2024 13:28

Totally agree

There was one on fbook the other day of a girl who looked about ten in a towel, in a sauna.

I mean wtf

So obviously a scam and or pedophiles

SoupDragon · 01/09/2024 13:25

TartanPaper · 01/09/2024 13:10

But parents aren’t doing it. They’re exploiting and abusing their children. God knows what is going to happen in years to come, it’s going to be chaos. Fuck, it already is.

So how do you propose we protect innocent children from this? It’s a new form of abuse in my eyes.

Your sledgehammer approach isn't going to protect them.

A tiny number of parents are "exploiting and abusing" their children like this. The vast majority aren't and are using social media to keep in touch with friends and family. Powers to go after parents posting inappropriate images is better, along with locked down definitions of what "inappropriate" is.

MsNeis · 01/09/2024 13:23

I couldn't agree more, thank you for saying out loud. I don't know if it's a very popular opinion, though.

TartanPaper · 01/09/2024 13:20

readysteadynono · 01/09/2024 13:16

I don’t show my children on social media even amongst locked down accounts. But I think this is a hammer to crack a nut. I’m generally against loads of state control on family lives. Where children are geberuinely coming to harm then there are safeguarding steps that can be taken already. Whilst I would never post my children, there is a world of difference between a mum cooking with her 6 year old on her family cooking YouTube chanel and the things you describe. People have the right to make parenting making choices that I wouldn’t.

But a lot of them don’t even realise the potential outcomes, as I outlined in one of my posts above. They don’t know what’s happening.

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Monkeysatonthewall · 01/09/2024 13:20

I find it absolutely disgusting when people use children to further their 'influencer careers'.

I remember there was a US influencer who was meant to adopt a baby and then cancelled last minute because the country she was adopting from were not allowing for adoptees to be shown on social media for the first year following adoption.

readysteadynono · 01/09/2024 13:18

I would be in favour of extending the already existing TV and stage working rules of children to social media though. You would then have to have a work permit and meet certain criteria if you are monetising your account.

Errors · 01/09/2024 13:17

You are speaking my language OP.
Social Media is (one of) the leading causes behind a meteoric rise in mental health issues amongst adolescents (see Jonathan Haidt’s work)
It really is so unhealthy for children and posting kids online is just normalising it so they continue to do it themselves as they get older. And that’s before you factor in the predators online you mention.
I honestly think it’s such a huge issue, social media and the wider issue of screen use amongst small children, that something drastic should be done about it.

readysteadynono · 01/09/2024 13:16

I don’t show my children on social media even amongst locked down accounts. But I think this is a hammer to crack a nut. I’m generally against loads of state control on family lives. Where children are geberuinely coming to harm then there are safeguarding steps that can be taken already. Whilst I would never post my children, there is a world of difference between a mum cooking with her 6 year old on her family cooking YouTube chanel and the things you describe. People have the right to make parenting making choices that I wouldn’t.

lololulu · 01/09/2024 13:14

Re the influencers:

Imagine how long the kids have to stand / sit still everyday for photos.

They can't just go out they have to be doing something that will get likes.

Never mind the videos they will need to rehearse

PlantDoctor · 01/09/2024 13:14

Check out the dad challenge podcast if you haven't already. Some horrendous exposés on there.

Spatchula · 01/09/2024 13:12

AI is at a level now where Meta etc could have a "this looks like you're uploading a picture of a child. We don't allow this" flag on their products.

TartanPaper · 01/09/2024 13:10

SoupDragon · 01/09/2024 13:08

It’s up to us as parents to protect our children’s faces, privacy and identity.

yes. Up to us as parents, not up to the government or social media companies.

But parents aren’t doing it. They’re exploiting and abusing their children. God knows what is going to happen in years to come, it’s going to be chaos. Fuck, it already is.

So how do you propose we protect innocent children from this? It’s a new form of abuse in my eyes.

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Spatchula · 01/09/2024 13:10

I agree

TartanPaper · 01/09/2024 13:09

FatmanandKnobbin · 01/09/2024 13:05

Making money from kids online should be banned.

I'm not sure how workable banning any images of kids would be.

I did think about other exploitation of children, I guess we exploit them on tv etc, I just sort of feel like a blanket ban on socials would help reduce all the issues that are arising.

One American woman said that she had a small account, hundred or so followers and a paedophile became obsessed with her daughter and stalked them, was able to find out where she lived. If we didn’t have any photos online, this couldn’t happen.

Others have had their kids used to generate AI porn, their faces on. It’s so horrific and the only answer I can think of is no kids faces at all?

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