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To quit work and be a SAHM?

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Eviolle · 31/08/2024 21:31

MIL and FIL sadly died young (both in their 60s) and have left DH and I in a position where we will have no mortgage, and a sizable (for us) amount of savings. We have two DC (3 and under 1).

We should have enough inheritance to really set ourselves up (holiday home time share, solar panels, sell our home and completely redecorate MIL'S larger home to move in to, electric car, savings for both DC). Combining the electric car with the savings from solar panels and the fact that we'd have no mortgage, we should just be able to live on DH's wage, however we would have to pay for nursery for youngest DC out of savings until she was 3 as we'd lose the free hours entitlement as I wouldn't be working.

I was thinking of quitting work next year when eldest DC starts school, and potentially never working in a particularly career minded way again. I could work casually in my current field, picking up occasional work once or twice a month with no difficulty and it would keep me up to date with current practices and training should I change my mind.

It would be a tight squeeze (we would still be able to save each month but less than currently), and if we had another CoL crisis or similar I'd have to return to work, but there would no immediate hurry because of the savings we'd have. DH is public sector, very safe job and final salary pension. I would be a few years shy of a full state pension but I'm only mid-thirties so would have time to pay in once DC are bigger.

AIBU to think this could work?

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Topjoe19 · 01/09/2024 17:48

Go for it! You might change your mind in a few years & get bored (I did) but then you can just go back to work. You have a good qualification behind you & will keep your PIN number.

Eviolle · 01/09/2024 17:41

Loopytiles · 01/09/2024 17:12

that’s just the short term figures though, and it doesn’t sound like your inheritance is enough to significantly reduce your personal financial risks if you SAH a few years. If you keep your nursing qualification ‘live’ that is better ‘insurance’ than most of us have.

I would be working just enough to keep my PIN number so could go back to work any time. It would knock my pension, when thinking long term but even if I did that for the entirety of DCs childhood, I would have 15+ years to do more at work to take me to state pension age (as it is now).

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Loopytiles · 01/09/2024 17:12

that’s just the short term figures though, and it doesn’t sound like your inheritance is enough to significantly reduce your personal financial risks if you SAH a few years. If you keep your nursing qualification ‘live’ that is better ‘insurance’ than most of us have.

Bikechic · 01/09/2024 17:05

If that's what you both want, go for it. I'm glad I had that time with my children. You'll be able to go back to work later. Keep paying into a pension and I personally would take dc out of nursery. There are cheaper ways of finding social opportunities.

Eviolle · 01/09/2024 17:01

CagneyAndLazy · 01/09/2024 16:34

To me it doesn't like you can really afford it without draining the inheritance over time.

You said your DH earns much more than you, but at the same time you'll only scraping by on his salary event without a mortgage, and that you'll be struggling if living costs increase and have to go back to work anyway.

I think the inheritance will just end up frittered away over time as it sounds like you're using its existence to justify moving to a lifestyle you can't really afford without it.

By all means give up work if you don't want to work and your husband will pick up the slack for you, though. A lot of people do it quite happily for many years.

When I said it would be a bit of a tight squeeze, that may not be quite the right wording. We'd have £500pcm to save, we'd also have money each for spending money, money for dates/takeaway, money for DCs hobbies and money for days out. So it's not just the bills being paid and we'd be scraping by, we would just need to be more careful than we are now where we buy what we want, when we want, without really thinking about it.

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blueshoes · 01/09/2024 16:50

LostGardens · 01/09/2024 15:49

It’s important to consider how this might change the dynamic of your relationship.

It sounds like your DH is possibly a doctor or in another well-respected profession. It may be hard to imagine it now, but after years of him going out to do that job each day (paid) while you’re at home putting his laundry away (unpaid), it’s very possible the way you think of each other will change.

You see it all the time on here. The respect for the stay-at-home parent just goes. The earner feels the stay-at-home parent should be grateful and the stay-at-home parent starts to feel it too so they don’t assert themselves the way they otherwise might.

To me this is as big a concern as the practical implications.

My mum was a nurse who gave it up whilst we were growing up to SAHM. My dad was a doctor. She did go back to work pt when we were older, so it is true you can still get work as a nurse despite long periods out of the workplace.

The dynamic at home was very much all the domestic work was left to my mum by my dad. He did not do any housework at all. He did not respect my mum's opinions and her world became very small. She was the one who told me to always have my own job, career and independence and not rely on a man.

Granted OP will be keeping a toehold in her profession but it is difficult to know how over time roles get hardened and people's perceptions of each other change. Not to mention what the dcs pick up in terms of gender roles and ambition for girls especially.

CagneyAndLazy · 01/09/2024 16:34

To me it doesn't like you can really afford it without draining the inheritance over time.

You said your DH earns much more than you, but at the same time you'll only scraping by on his salary event without a mortgage, and that you'll be struggling if living costs increase and have to go back to work anyway.

I think the inheritance will just end up frittered away over time as it sounds like you're using its existence to justify moving to a lifestyle you can't really afford without it.

By all means give up work if you don't want to work and your husband will pick up the slack for you, though. A lot of people do it quite happily for many years.

RaspberryWhirls · 01/09/2024 16:04

Don̈'t sell your current house, let it out through an agent instead so you get an income from it. The house will give you security in case something happens later such as divorce or death. The house will also be a security for your children later on so you'll be shortsighted to sell it.

Instead of resigning from your job can you go part time or freelance to keep keep up with your pension & NI contributions?

LostGardens · 01/09/2024 15:49

It’s important to consider how this might change the dynamic of your relationship.

It sounds like your DH is possibly a doctor or in another well-respected profession. It may be hard to imagine it now, but after years of him going out to do that job each day (paid) while you’re at home putting his laundry away (unpaid), it’s very possible the way you think of each other will change.

You see it all the time on here. The respect for the stay-at-home parent just goes. The earner feels the stay-at-home parent should be grateful and the stay-at-home parent starts to feel it too so they don’t assert themselves the way they otherwise might.

To me this is as big a concern as the practical implications.

DreadPirateRobots · 01/09/2024 15:05

DeLoreanLaura · 01/09/2024 14:56

Well if this is about OP, she won't have zero monthly income. Because she'll still be working! 1-2 shifts a month. The availability of such work also indicates that the industry is short of staff.So no issues with her picking up again FT if she wanted to.

OP is relatively fortunate against that one, yes - she has one of the very few jobs where she can keep her hand in minimally and where demand is strong enough for her to go back in after a period of no or minimal work. But it is still something any woman and couple should consider before one person decides to SAH.

I have never said that OP shouldn't SAH. Just that planning for SAH should include planning for death, disability or desertion on the part of the earner, and the need to rapidly scale up income on the SAH partner's side if needed.

DeLoreanLaura · 01/09/2024 14:56

DreadPirateRobots · 01/09/2024 14:23

And for people banging on about “well what if he leaves you” and “what if he dies” - all of the current assets are marital and you would be entitled to half the savings, half the house. If, god forbid, he was to die, you’d get everything

...you do get, though, that if he were to die she'd have zero actual monthly income, right? Or indeed if he were to become incapacitated through poor health - cancer, mental health, car crash, whatever. And if they divorce then the same amount of money has to pay for two homes and two sets of bills and any maintenance will be well below what her DH currently earns. I have long ago lost count on here of the number of women posting deeply unhappy with men who treat them very poorly, but who then say, "I'm a SAHM, I can't afford to leave".

You can buffer yourself against these scenarios - life insurance, critical illness insurance, maintaining your own earning capacity and ability to scale up your income fast - but you have to consider and plan for them.

Well if this is about OP, she won't have zero monthly income. Because she'll still be working! 1-2 shifts a month. The availability of such work also indicates that the industry is short of staff.So no issues with her picking up again FT if she wanted to.

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/09/2024 14:31

Lelophants · 01/09/2024 13:58

So women shouldn’t be able to do it because of that? Seems incredibly sexist and unfair. More men should be encouraged to take time off if it works for them.

No. I agree that more men need to do it so it can become more equal and women aren’t automatically the default parent.

DreadPirateRobots · 01/09/2024 14:23

And for people banging on about “well what if he leaves you” and “what if he dies” - all of the current assets are marital and you would be entitled to half the savings, half the house. If, god forbid, he was to die, you’d get everything

...you do get, though, that if he were to die she'd have zero actual monthly income, right? Or indeed if he were to become incapacitated through poor health - cancer, mental health, car crash, whatever. And if they divorce then the same amount of money has to pay for two homes and two sets of bills and any maintenance will be well below what her DH currently earns. I have long ago lost count on here of the number of women posting deeply unhappy with men who treat them very poorly, but who then say, "I'm a SAHM, I can't afford to leave".

You can buffer yourself against these scenarios - life insurance, critical illness insurance, maintaining your own earning capacity and ability to scale up your income fast - but you have to consider and plan for them.

NotSmallButFunSize · 01/09/2024 14:12

Just do it, who cares what anyone else thinks!

Sounds like you have worked it all out and you're both happy so no one else's business!

LostittoBostik · 01/09/2024 13:59

I've only got 12 months left until both are in school now, but if we had the money I would have stopped working very much while the children were in nursery years and just done the bare minimum to keep my career ticking over (I'm self employed, so say one project a month which would be 2-3 days fast work)

Eviolle · 01/09/2024 13:59

Justalurker1 · 01/09/2024 13:35

Gross. You really think a lot of yourself and your “DH” (yuck). You’re better off out the workforce, you clearly can’t cope with it anyway. News flash: even a desk job can be emotionally and mentally draining. You’re worryingly naive… or perhaps just self centred

😂 OK. 😂

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Lelophants · 01/09/2024 13:58

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/09/2024 13:56

The issue isn’t with individual SAHM’s. They are just making what they believe is the best choice for their families.

But it does contribute to inequality in society as a whole. Men who can focus more on promotions, men who can work all hours without worrying about childcare etc it makes it harder for working women.

Not to mention it contributing to the gender pay gap etc.

So women shouldn’t be able to do it because of that? Seems incredibly sexist and unfair. More men should be encouraged to take time off if it works for them.

DeLoreanLaura · 01/09/2024 13:58

OP, your plan sounds absolutely fine. It's the 'casual work/no career' bit that people don't seem to understand. Doesn't mean jacking in a professional job and working in a supermarket - just picking up work when it suits.
In some professional jobs the 'career' track means working your way up to management, but you can earn a decent living freelancing as an individual contributor.

The financial points r.e pension etc are valid but with savings of 100K+ per DC you have more than enough! Once they're older you can change your mind and step up work if needed

SouthLondonMum22 · 01/09/2024 13:56

Lelophants · 01/09/2024 13:44

Well then you have an issue with disgusting men, not sahm. Trust me, I know a number of women who work full time and are treated terribly by their husbands and expected to do everything still.

The issue isn’t with individual SAHM’s. They are just making what they believe is the best choice for their families.

But it does contribute to inequality in society as a whole. Men who can focus more on promotions, men who can work all hours without worrying about childcare etc it makes it harder for working women.

Not to mention it contributing to the gender pay gap etc.

Lelophants · 01/09/2024 13:44

Whenwillitgetwarm · 01/09/2024 13:28

I agree. I think it’s more nuanced than ‘jealousy’. I’m not jealous in then slightest. I’m high earning and career focused. I’m very comfortable with this. I feel everyone should do what’s right for them as long as it doesn’t impact me.

However, sometimes SAHM does affect me when their DHs then come into work with disrespectful attitudes towards their female colleague's. For example, I had a colleague who has a SAHW. They had older teen kids. He used to boast about how she makes him a packed lunch for work everyday etc. He then asked me if I iron my DHs shirts and made his lunches. He seemed very surprised when I said that no, as a FT working woman, I don’t do that. He looked at me like I was a bad wife.

Also I’ve had to go up for promotion against men who don’t have to lift a finger at home because they are fully facilitated by their wives. They have 100% energy and focus on getting to the next level.

It’s not a level playing field. So whilst I take no issue with individual SAHM, it’s the impact on female workers which I do take issue with.

Well then you have an issue with disgusting men, not sahm. Trust me, I know a number of women who work full time and are treated terribly by their husbands and expected to do everything still.

Lelophants · 01/09/2024 13:42

Justalurker1 · 01/09/2024 12:03

“I enjoy my job a lot, but it is high stress and complex, and leaves me exhausted at the end of the day, as does DH job.”

Do you think the rest of the world comes home well rested from work? You seem to think the two of you have it harder than other people.

But life isn’t fair. Should two people be extra miserable just because other people have to as well?

Justalurker1 · 01/09/2024 13:35

Eviolle · 01/09/2024 12:41

I would wager that yes, my job is more stressful than a lot of other peoples and that people like my siblings who work a desk job do not come home physically, emotionally and mentally drained as I do. And as my DH also does.

Gross. You really think a lot of yourself and your “DH” (yuck). You’re better off out the workforce, you clearly can’t cope with it anyway. News flash: even a desk job can be emotionally and mentally draining. You’re worryingly naive… or perhaps just self centred

Whenwillitgetwarm · 01/09/2024 13:28

WednesburyUnreasonable · 01/09/2024 08:43

Women have diverse life experiences and views, and can disagree with / be unpleasant to each other - especially on issues as absolutely central to their lives as this - for reasons other than jealousy.

I have no doubt some women on this site would look at my decision to work full time with a toddler with contempt, and equally little doubt that those are their sincere beliefs (albeit ones I think are junk) and not just jealousy.

Anyway, I don’t want to derail OP’s thread - I would never personally do this so have nothing insightful to offer on the practicalities, sorry! - but these threads always descend into a chorus of people insisting others are just jealous, and I don’t think it’s useful tbh.

I agree. I think it’s more nuanced than ‘jealousy’. I’m not jealous in then slightest. I’m high earning and career focused. I’m very comfortable with this. I feel everyone should do what’s right for them as long as it doesn’t impact me.

However, sometimes SAHM does affect me when their DHs then come into work with disrespectful attitudes towards their female colleague's. For example, I had a colleague who has a SAHW. They had older teen kids. He used to boast about how she makes him a packed lunch for work everyday etc. He then asked me if I iron my DHs shirts and made his lunches. He seemed very surprised when I said that no, as a FT working woman, I don’t do that. He looked at me like I was a bad wife.

Also I’ve had to go up for promotion against men who don’t have to lift a finger at home because they are fully facilitated by their wives. They have 100% energy and focus on getting to the next level.

It’s not a level playing field. So whilst I take no issue with individual SAHM, it’s the impact on female workers which I do take issue with.

blueshoes · 01/09/2024 13:20

Some nice times with the kids before school, but the balance wasnt there for me. Even when I met other mums, I felt the conversation was often superficial and valid...I missed working on team projects, interacting with colleagues, thinking on my feet, problem solving etc etc.

This struck a chord with me. In my short period as SAHM, it can isolating and drudge. Then when you have adult company in the form of other mums, I found the conversations child-centered and a little shallow. I missed the buzz of working with colleagues and work camaraderie which other SAHMs could not provide. Love the word 'problem-solving'. I did not like the school gate social scene. Mentally it was easier if I knew I had work to escape to.

That could just be me, I accept. But when you plunge from a full on job like nursing to a SAHM-dom, you might find you cannot get excited about half the things that seem pivotal to that world, like how to get a slot with the best swimming teacher in that leisure centre.

blueshoes · 01/09/2024 13:09

Loopytiles · 01/09/2024 12:34

It doesn’t sound like the inheritance is enough to cover your pension, and the hit to your personal earning ability from SaH could be high. So would want to consider your personal financial position in the scenario of divorce. Also your household position in the event of DH ill health.

I’d continue paid work.

This.

OP says she is not living off her inheritance but her dh's wage, but what is she going to retire on?

PS my dh is public sector. The pension career average reversal ruling did not apply to him. It does not apply to everyone.