To think this is too early for a house guest to get up?

Honestly if i had guests staying & they wanted to be in bed by 8.30pm & up waking the whole household at 5am I would find that utterly weird. And rude.

We're generally eating dinner at 8pm & if we've guests that would definitely be a fancier affair & the evening would just be getting started.

I remember years ago we were invited to visit friends of dh in another city.

We were all in our 30s. No children yet. Saturday evening. They served up the dinner at about 7pm & the wife was in bed by 9pm . It was hugely uncomfortable & absolutely made us feel unwelcome. We've never stayed with them again.

Once she'd gone up the stairs the husband was tiptoeing around & it was obvious he was v conscious of not making noise etc so not exactly a relaxed atmosphere for chatting & catching up.

He was dh's best friend from boarding school & he'd lived abroad for a few years prior so they hadn't physically seen each other in a while. We'd hosted him before that in our house & made a great fuss & this visit was our first time meeting his new wife as they married abroad.

We felt her behaviour was v odd

I think I would get a bottle of pre made smoothie for him. Leave it in the fridge. Hide the blender if you don't feel comfortable asking him not to use it!

Well if you've got this far in the thread, you've presumably clocked that:
The OP is disabled
Her DH is exhausted
It is a rare child free weekend for them
It's the being woken up that she objects to, not the early morning run itself
Bil knew they needed to sleep because sil had a word with him last night not to use the blender
Bil still managed to wake up the dog and let it out of the kitchen even though he knows not to. Thereby waking up the entire house.
I'm all for solidarity with fellow runners, but not with complete muppets.

I assume like the OP you mean taken the dog, I also assume you don't know any serious runners who get up at 5am for their runs, they dont go with random dogs, thier own dog maybe who was used to that kind of activity and knows what to do but you cant just pop a load on any old dog and think they can run with you

I always go to bed between 8.30pm and 9pm, even on weekends as I prefer to be up early and tend to need quite a bit of sleep to feel half human.

I will stay up later for certain things, but otherwise I like to be tucked up early. It's honestly not that strange, everyone is different after all.

Crumbs. Cancel the cheque! 🤦🏼‍♀️

Going for a run wasn’t the issue, tho. Him saying he was going to make a smoothie was. It would wake everyone up.

Voice your opinion that the smoothie making can only happen the night before.
Ask him to please be as quiet as possible in the morning before he jogs off and ask that he runs for at least an hour so that the household is not disturbed.
Discuss a reasonable hour for noise and breakfast..

If you can only communicate with SIL, do that.
It is your home.

I hope you two work out the very direct way to say for next time ‘you can only stay again if there isn’t so much as a sound before 7am, no getting up no making smoothies, no mucking around and waking the dog. If I wanted to be woken at 5:30 id go camping not stay at home in my own house and it’s bloody rude.

If you read the thread you would know

No blender but he woke the dog up so all woke in the house

So op did he make the smoothie and wake yous up then?

@katepilar wins the best answer of this particular thread. Thank you for spelling out to those of us who are very happy to criticize that not everyone is capable of reacting in the moment.
@morningbbrew I hope you enjoyed some lovely quiet time once noisy smoothieman had packed up his supplements and left.

@1offnamechange Forget getting up early, I can't believe how early he's gone to bed! Before 9pm? On a weekend?

I dont see anything wrong with going to bed at 9am per se, weekend or not. It may be a bit weird when visiting if the general expectation is to stay up longer but not everyone can stay up longer without it having an effect on them.
Here it just seem to be a part of a bigger problem.

He could have a) taken Ddog with him for a run and b) just brought an Innocent smoothie or two with him. He's unreasonable, not you OP.

Going for a run is fine. Tell him to make the smoothie the night before and leave in the fridge overnight.

Forget getting up early, I can't believe how early he's gone to bed! Before 9pm? On a weekend?

Surely that's insanely early for anyone over the age of 10 who isn't doing night shifts or is unwell? Even more weird on a saturday night when they've come to visit you and have an adult weekend catching up - surely for most people this involves chatting within a glass of wine for a few hours at the absolute least not in bed at baby time and then up before anyone else making a mess blending shit at 5.30am?

Sounds like he's using you as a hotel

Could he have brought the dog with him to avoid ddog waking you all up?

He sounds a bit entitled and way too comfortable in your home tbh

Thats what I used to think, that its extreme lack of parenting. Until I realised that my own sister is capable of similar behaviour. With the same upbringing. I am reading into ADHD at the moment which seem to explain some situations in my own family. I am sure with some people it is the way they were brought up or the general toxicity of their families.

Like most people, I think using the blender at 5.30am would be rude, but also expecting your guests to have a lie-in until their hosts get up is also rude. DP and I stayed at some friends' house the other weekend, I woke up at 6am as usual and took myself down to the living room to have a coffee (to let DP go back to sleep in the guest room). It was a non-issue. And I frequently go for early morning runs, even at the weekend, and would have possibly done so that weekend if I hadn't been nursing a stinking hangover (thanks to the lovely hospitable friends). There's nothing rude about doing exercise while visiting people!

Best bit of this thread was the poster doing the cat's bum mouth at 6am runners on her street. Next time I'm up and about for an early run I'll think of her and it will make my run more amusing.

I wonder how they were brought up, didn't their parents correct them? I'd be extremely disappointed if my own DC behaved that way. Some sort of toxic main character syndrome?

After 20 years of living by the sea in Cornwall and providing free bed and half board (and flippin' holiday itineraries) for numerous friends and relatives over and over again, I sympathise with anyone whose home and hospitality are being taken for granted on a regular basis
Visitors often forget that although THEY are at extended leisure, their hosts probably are not - because we live and work here - DUH!
It sounds like BIL has become over-comfortable in your home. It wouldn't surprise me if he thinks his free house-sitting services are a big favour and entitle him to behave as he pleases in return.
Your SIL should put him straight and if he carries on regardless then you charge him holiday home rental (less cost of any dog care) next time he house-sits.
Very expensive it is to holiday in Kernow!
Some people have got the cheek of Old Nick.
NB. Our particular problems disappeared when we moved upcountry and inland. I wonder why eh?!

I really would love to understand how the brains of these rude people work. I have been observing this type of behaviour I have a feeling that some of them really dont care while others dont realise what they are causing.

Yup.
It's a strategy, because it's easy to say what you would reply in a two-way conversation.
But totally different if someone chucks an 'oh by the way' over their shoulder as they leave the room.
You've really got to be on the front foot to reel them in with an 'oh no you don't sunshine' rejoinder.