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AIBU to think it's time for the NHS to do itself a favour and make WL injections readily available.

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nextdoorconundrum · 31/08/2024 18:03

I've posted about this before but following the news today from the chief scientific officer for the British Heart Foundation - Professor Brian Williams - that the health benefits of these drugs appears to be beneficial in the reduction of heart disease, high bp, stroke , arthritis and even Alzheimer's.. (interviews on R4 today programme and channel 4 news just now for anyone wanting to hear all he had to say ) .: Is it not time now for the NHS to actually save itself the fortune it spends in treating obesity related diseases - rather than obesity itself.

There is also something highly questionable about a drug that is readily available to people who can afford it - but is mostly not available to those who most need it . With extremely narrow parameters and some ridiculous hoops to jump through before being 'allowed it on the NHS.(Obesity affects 39% of women in the most deprived areas as opposed to 22% in the least )

www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg189/documents/health-inequalities-briefing-2#:~:text=The%20greatest%20rates%20of%20adult,in%20the%20least%20deprived%20areas.

I say this as a financially comfortable mc woman who has lost 4 stone on WL injections. I no longer cost the NHS any money in BP drugs, Sleep Apnea machine, Corticosteroids for knees etc - in fact for the first time in 26 years I only take thyroxine which is not something that can be reversed. The only reason I have managed this is because I could afford to buy it. Surely this is not only wrong but immoral in a national health system ?

The argument of 'is it safe ?' doesn't hold water . It has been approved through extensive and thorough trials across both the United States and most of Europe. It is no more or less safe than any new drug.

The argument of 'some people get nausea and vomiting and other side effects ' yes this is true. As do some people on all kinds of drugs . I personally can't tolerate penicillin - doesn't mean it should not have been allowed to save the lives of millions for 70 years. !

Last but not least.. what happens when you get to a healthy weight and stop taking it ? Well I guess it's exactly the same as blood pressure medication. You take it when it creeps up again .. perhaps it just becomes one of those drugs that you take lifelong on and off to maintain good health ..

Far far cheaper than treating all the current diseases associated with obesity and morbid obesity..

YABU - we can't afford it
YANBU - it's a false economy not to make it readily available to people with obesity if they want to try it.

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HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 31/08/2024 18:51

@QueenOfHiraeth

That's a really good point

QueenOfHiraeth · 31/08/2024 18:48

As someone who has worked in healthcare for many years can I point out a drawback, which is that those currently using it are motivated to succeed where many given medications by the NHS with no or little charge are less so. Also those people paying now are likely to be more affluent, therefore more educated and possibly able to manage eating well with less support and input than some who would benefit via the NHS
I'm sure I have seen evidence somewhere that smokers accessing private treatment and paying have higher success rates than those getting free NHS help and that private physio patients are more likely to complete exercises.
It would be interesting to see a proper comparison of dropout rates and success rates between the 2 groups.
People rarely value stuff that they are not paying for upfront

SquirrelSoShiny · 31/08/2024 18:44

YANBU. The NHS utterly fails at preventative health care.

Ozanj · 31/08/2024 18:43

The minute the nhs gets involved prices will increase for everyone (just like with ivf). It makes more sense if Bupa etc cover it.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 31/08/2024 18:41

I've lost 16lb so far in 7 weeks. I'm nearly back to normal bmi This hasn't happened for 15 years despite several attempts at diets.

I just can't deprive myself for months and loose no weight. It's sole destroying. This has enabled Me to plough on as I'm not starving all day.

Shizzlestix · 31/08/2024 18:40

I read a headline that Ozempic ‘may’ slow ageing too! Trouble is, if the injections stop, the weight goes back on, so I’ve read. Private weight loss surgery is about £11K in the UK, unless you go through a certain health insurance policy. There are very few hoops to jump through whereas with the NHS you have many, probably very sensibly, it’s surely more about changing your mindset. I wonder how much it costs the NHS to carry out the whole process, all the meetings with dieticians/psychologists etc. Plus, some areas don’t even offer bariatric surgery, so you’re up against the postcode lottery. I think if I put weight back on, the injections are something I’d consider.

caramac04 · 31/08/2024 18:32

I agree but the supply issue needs sorting. After several years on the injections (diabetes but not overweight) I am now on tablets because of the supply issue.
The tablets are less convenient and possibly harder ‘to sell’.
At least I’ve got the tablets though.

AgileGreenSeal · 31/08/2024 18:29

What do they inject you with? Specifically.

Ohdosodoffdear · 31/08/2024 18:28

I guess the hope is that people will pay for it, either comfortably so or at a stretch, and the NHS won't have to?

Itabsolutelyispossible · 31/08/2024 18:17

It seems sensible. Are there still shortages though?

Tel12 · 31/08/2024 18:08

And the side effects are?

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 31/08/2024 18:04

Where is the poll?