Single sex toilets and feminism

I so hope I’ve quoted this correctly, I FULLY agree with every single thing you have said here. Bang on.

A schoolboy can ‘donkey kick’ those doors open. There was a case in the media. Mixed sex toilets in a school.

Yes
yes
no

You are utterly brilliant. I wish I was this eloquent

a) Do you consider yourself a feminist?

I use to but now feminism seems to be about campaigning for mens rights so I've counted myself out. I think some people are confused about the difference between intersectional and inclusive. I'm very pro women. I don't believe men can be women.

b) Do you support single-sex toilets (women only, no men, no transwomen)?

I support single sex spaces for women. Toilets are often used as an example to trivialise the bigger issues with allowing some men into women's sex spaces.

c) Do you consider feminism compatible with allowing transwomen into women's toilets?

No. If you support advancing a mens rights movement at the expense of women I don't understand how you can call yourself a feminist. There can be no campaign for women's rights if we are not defined as a sex class in law.

If a man can say he is a woman and use women's toilets then how can you argue he shouldn't be housed in the female prison estate (for example) and share a cell with a woman? Is he a woman sometimes but not at others?

A. Yes
B. Yes
C. NO. Under no circumstances is it even remotely compatible due to not only the impact on individual women, but the erosion of our rights as a whole.

Unlike your statement I will justify mine - I don’t want biological males in my space for a myriad of reasons - yet I will be branded transphobic - this is a given - and now I’m also apparently anti feminist too. No thanks.

Horse shit.

a) Do you consider yourself a feminist?
Yes, but with a strong disconnect from the current loudest voices in feminism.
b) Do you support single-sex toilets (women only, no men, no transwomen)?
No.
c) Do you consider feminism compatible with allowing transwomen into women's toilets?
Yes, I believe feminism includes support for trans women.

I agree entirely.

If you consider it acceptable to require women to share places such as hospital bays, changing rooms, prisons, rape crisis sessions etc with people who are biologically male - even if you offer alternative provision (which is usually rubbish eg use the disabled loos) to women who object - you are centring male preferences and demands over women’s safety and dignity. In my view that means you are no feminist.

Do you consider yourself a feminist?

No

Do you support single-sex toilets (women only, no men, no transwomen)?

Yes

Do you consider feminism compatible with allowing transwomen into women's toilets?

Not really, but plenty would disagree

Do you consider yourself a feminist?
Yes
Do you support single-sex toilets (women only, no men, no transwomen)?
Yes
Do you consider feminism compatible with allowing transwomen into women's toilets?
Absolutely not. Women who are ok with men, male bodies (however they identify) into women's intimate spaces are complicit with rape culture and a coercive culture in which women are unable to say no, assert boundaries or push back - whether women are uncomfortable, have religious/cultural reasons or just don't want to, without having to share their feelings or trauma to see whether their rights is law are worthy of being granted.

Julia Gillard recently essentially suggested that female prisoners forced to share showers and cells with convicted sex offenders and stalkers were a minority; ditto others saying that the male boxers pushing women in the face only affects a few women. They forget the message sent to girls and women at grass roots sports, edged off the podium, or losing awards and prizes set up to widen female participation to males - you don't matter, and should stand back to let a male (such a small % of the population, but so over represented in offending and in women's gains) demonstrate how to woman better than you ever could. Either we have male/female prizes, sports, spaces, safeguarding for a reason or we don't. I'd rather people came out and said women actually aren't serious participants, so not worth investment or safeguarding.

Make everything mixed sex and watch women (biological, xx, female) disappear from sport, public life and decision making. Why is it that the NHS can use the word man when talking about prostate cancer, but goes struggles to say woman when it's breast or cervical cancer? Why do we not use penis or testicular people in male health literature, but chest feeding or birthing bodies (very handmaid's tale) when referring to women.

Misogyny has been rebranded as being kind, and this time the men on the left have middle class women who are able to buy/privilege their way out of the consequences they imposed on the rest of us doing a lot of the heavy lifting for them.

We can't say any more that 90% of sexual offending in leisure centres occur in the 10% of spaces that are mixed sex, that 48% of transgender prisoners are convicted of sexual offending v 17-19 % of male prisoners. It's transphobic and awful to remind people that sexual offenses are usually crimes that have escalated from unchecked peeping Tom, stalking etc when we see similar behaviours excused when every single safeguarding principle is ignored - google Surrey Pride, LGBTY in Scotland or even Drag Queen Story Hour.

Just as we say, NAMALT, not all transwomen are - but every one knows that predators will go where safeguarding is weakest, and there is opportunity; excluding men from female spaces is the ultimate safeguarding because it removes opportunity; Not all men, but almost without exception always men.

I don't see why I should have to pretend that the transwoman in my recurrent miscarriage support group was anything but a cos playing narcissist getting an illicit thrill from listening to our pain and forcing us to listen as he described his entirely made up (and biologically impossible) miscarriage. So many women left that space further traumatised, but unable to speak and never to return to a support group they had set up and now run for the validation of emotional vultures.

a) Do you consider yourself a feminist?
yes
b) Do you support single-sex toilets (women only, no men, no transwomen)?
Dont care. There have unisex toilets for decades. It’s a total non issue that undermines the serious concerns (prison, health care, sports)
c) Do you consider feminism compatible with allowing transwomen into women's toilets?
yes - see above

I see. You've never been in a public toilet so fail to understand that it's a room with lots of cubicles. It's also been known for men to drag women into the cubicle, lock the door and rape them. Some men have set up cameras in women's cubicles and filmed them putting them up on porn websites.

To reiterate women and children have been raped and assaulted in public toilets. That obviously doesn't bother you but it bothers me.

Oh come on. Women have been forced into cubicles and assaulted.

You’re not. You’re in a cubicle all by yourself.

Because I'm by myself in an enclosed space with a man I don't know. Many women and children have been molested and raped in toilets.

How are you vulnerable behind the locked door of a cubicle @username44416? I’ll tell you where vulnerable women are really exposed to men and that’s on maternity wards but every new mother insists on her right to have her bloke there, that’s way worse.

Yes
Yes
No in almost every circimstance

It all just feels like you are making people pick between the people's front of Judea or the Judean people's front. Are you saying people can't be feminist if they don't mind trans people using the loos that align with their gender? Never mind anything else that person may do, or live, to show feminism?

I don't care if transwomen use the women's loos. I also consider myself to be a feminist. I don't feel the need to be told that femenism can only be the type you follow. I would rather we all band together and make gains overall instead of infighting.

There's far more important feminist issues than toilets or even the trans issue eg pensions where women have been forced to take career breaks due to lack of childcare providers etc

Who has created this hierarchy of importance?

I don't want blokes in the toilets, changing rooms or anywhere else I'm vulnerable.

Females need sex-based rights and single-sex spaces.
There are two sexes. Members of the male sex are on average larger, stronger, faster and more violent than members of the female sex. Because of those things, the world has historically been ruled by the male sex.
That is why females need sex-based rights and single sex spaces. As a small bulwark against the privilege of, and dangers inherent in, the male sex.
There can be no compromise because a single-sex space stops being single sex if there is one member of the opposite sex in it. The rules have to apply across the board because otherwise they become meaningless.
The fact that the rules sometimes aren't enough (the 'but men can attack you anywhere' argument) or don't work (the 'but my lovely TW friend goes into female spaces all the time and no one ever notices' argument) doesn't mean that the rules in themselves are wrong or shouldn't be upheld.
So yes I am a feminist and no I don't think TW should be in any female space.