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AIBU to insist on details of husbands affair, he can’t / refuses to give and I can’t move on without details.

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Iwillcomeouttheotherend · 31/08/2024 09:46

NC and apols for long post. PLEASE read and advise me, I’m desperate!

Feels like My whole world has just fallen apart.
Been with DH 30 years, married for 22yr, we have 4 DC age 20, 18, 16 and 15.
I’ve just found out that DH has been having an emotional affair with OW at work for probably the last 4 -5 years and finding out has totally floored me. I had no idea, although now looking back all the signs were very much there. So for up to a quarter of our long marriage, he’s been “connected” to HER and not me. How could I have not known.
I can’t sleep, I’m running on adrenaline and having constant palpitations. The only thing I was ever 100% sure about in my life, was that my husband would always be faithful and that he was not capable of having an affair. 😳 Not in a million years did I believe he would ever do this.
DH is well liked, well respected, funny witty and charming and good at his job. There’s a lot of after work socialising which never bothered me because I 100% trusted him 😡
3 years ago his watsapp shows him / her “turning on disappearing messages” then turning it off again, over a couple of days and then left switched off. He says she was just showing him how it could be done as she’s a Wizz with tech and he so isn’t but loves learning new functions. This would have been around the same time that he switched off the watsapp notification banners from his phone.
From the few messages and call logs that he forgot to delete, I can see that whenever she messaged him, he would respond within minutes. I’ve gone thru my messages over 4 years, most of my messages went unanswered. He attends a lot of big sporting events thru work, she’s always there, in fact she’s arranged many of them. I’ve seen a few pics of them together at dinner or an event in a group (all male except HER). She’s always sat next to DH with a big ridiculous grin on her face, him clearly enjoying himself, I want to vomit.
We have a family app that shares all our locations, I often check it and screenshot it as our DD is ND, I don’t trust her when she’s out, she talks to all people and gets herself into difficult and risky situations (it’s a full time job trying to keep her safe.)
DP hadn’t told me he was going out on particular evening a few months ago (we weren’t talking at the time so I just assumed he was being his usual arsey disrespectful self in not telling me he had an event and would be late home). I took a few screenshots of his location that evening, which changed from a pub to a fancy hotel later in the evening (She lives some distance from work so sometimes stays in town when there’s an event)
Turns out he went back to her hotel room for over an hour at the end of the night (he denied this initially saying he only went to the bar in her hotel to have another drink with her, I’ve visited the hotel, it’s huge, the bar is at the far end of the hotel, his location at every check I made, was at the complete opposite end of the hotel where it shows the rooms are. He denies anything went on and he’d just gone up to look at the fancy room. He can’t remember what they talked about, they get on well, the conversation just flows and they enjoy each others company. He’d been drinking all evening, he can’t remember the details, assumes they had a cup of tea and a chat (He’d been with her at work since 9am that morning but still felt the need to stay in her company for over an hour more at 11pm.) He made 3 short calls to her upon arriving at the hotel that night, he can’t remember why but assumes that it was to arrange to meet her in the hotel, as they probably left the pub (5 mins away) separately so nobody from work would be suspicious. (If they are at that stage then I’m very sure that everyone at work will already suspect/know about the affair.) I feel physically sick and I am struggling to get past this without more information which he won’t give me.
He swore on the children’s lives that nothing physical went on. I am inclined to believe him as he struggles with ED and I don’t think he would have wanted to risk putting himself in a vulnerable position where he’d have no guarantee that he could “perform adequately” for her. I now 100% believe that if he didn’t struggle with ED, then the affair would have become physical also.
The same night DH received a message from HER daughter asking if “he’s with mum, cos she’s not picking up”. HER daughter also works for the company. There’s a few messages over the years from daughter asking about mums locations and asking DH to get her mum to call her. The cosiness of it all makes me feel sick. OW is married, her husband isn’t the father of the daughter.
There was a screenshot on his phone of a different hotel / different event / different day, he thinks it was probably the directions to “walk her back safely to her hotel” on that occasion but “can’t remember.”
Our relationship over the last 4 years has not been good. I’ve accused him so many times of being “emotionally abusive.” He’s been totally detached, returning from work either ignoring me completely or if I dared to speak to him he would shout at me or hurl insults. If I wanted to give him updates on the children, he’d shout asking why I was telling him that NOW, as “he’s just walked thru the door / just going to the gym / just eaten his dinner/ just going to bed.” Basically there was never a good time to talk to him, he had been getting his “fix” from HER throughout the day and had nothing left for me, she has been meeting all his emotional needs and sharing all the small talk, which should have been shared with me, his wife.
All he ever wanted to do when he was at home, was sit glued to the TV or his phone.
He’s had a few weekends abroad with his friends (I don’t doubt this as I know the friends). On his return he would barely say Hi to me as he walked thru the door, he would never share the details of his weekend away, he simply did not want to communicate with me. I’ve since seen in messages, he and HER would discuss his weekend away.
I took DD away for 5 days, he never called me once to chat or see how we were getting on.
I went away with my friends for a few days, he worked from home, he called her at 7:35am, he must have been waking up thinking of her. He spent 40 minutes on a call to her later that day. He couldn’t even spend 2 minutes talking to me when I returned home.
As things got worse between us over the 4 yrs, I always had hope that one day he’d calm down, stop being so distant, rude and aggressive towards me and the children. I even contacted his GP and asked him to consider changing his BP meds as they were causing mood changes and making him angry all the time ! As he was getting emotionally closer to her he was putting more distance between us to ease his guilt no doubt.
After admitting the emotional affair, He now recognises he “lost focus” and is really trying his best to be a better husband. We’re talking so much more, there’s hugs and we’ve had sex again. He wants to book more holidays, he’s told me to make enquiries about the loft extension I’ve wanted for 10 years and he wants us to renew our wedding vows. He is making a HUGE effort, I’d genuinly forgotten how good we could be together. Unfortunately the big light inside of me has switched off, yes I’m very much enjoying him showing me all the respect, interest and care that I’ve so craved and needed this last 4 years, but I’m struggling to get past all the lies and deceit and every time he shows me respect I’m totally conflicted, it reminds me of the hell I’ve been thru the last 4 years and what I have missed out on due to his selfish infidelity. He continued to lie about the details and extent of their “very good connection” even after I found out. It was only after me putting together the few messages he hadn’t deleted, his location screen shots and checking it all back to my personal diary that he eventually admitted and became truthful about some of their “togethers”. There must be millions of others that I don’t know about because the information is now all deleted.
He’s now refusing to answer anymore questions, says he’s told me everything he can and he can’t / won’t be telling me anymore, it’s too stressful for him. (He told me very little other than answer direct questions I asked about the content of a few messages I had actually seen.) He will show me by his actions from here on in, that he’s sorry and wants to be a better husband. I definitely see him making a big effort to show me he loves me and he’s sorry.
He keeps telling me how much he loves me and is desperate for me to say it back to him. I can’t as I no longer know what love is. I thought I loved him even during the 4 years that he treated me so appallingly and desperately tried to pin his changed behaviour / distance and aggression towards me on the BP meds. How bloody naive and trusting was I.
I am an incredibly strong and resilient woman but I don’t think that I can move on without knowing the details, I cannot process it unless I know exactly what I am processing and the depth of their relationship / deceit.
I’m awake in the middles of the night with all these scenarios and questions bashing my skull. I can’t think of anything else. I really feel I’m heading for a breakdown. I flit from thinking I need to speak to her, to I need to tell her husband, but really what I need, is for him to tell me, and be honest about all the “details”, it will no doubt be extremely painful for me (him too), but I’d like to think that once I know details, I can process them and in time hopefully think about them less, maybe come to terms with it and move on.
AIBU to insist on the details. Pressuring him for more may well tip him over the edge.
Without them, I don’t think we have a marriage if he can’t be honest with me after what he’s put me thru.
Thank you if you’ve read this far. I’m desperate for advice.

OP posts:
Testina · 31/08/2024 10:38

You know that nothing tells all your friends that someone cheated, like reviewing wedding vows - right?

And if you did do it, only do it when you’re marking getting the trust back after the hard slog - otherwise it’s just some lame way to persuade you not to upset his cosy life (and finances) - rather like offering you a loft extension. Extension beats petrol station flowers I guess - but it’s the same shut-you-up gesture.

Sounds like you already have plenty of detail. I’d leave. But if he wants to keep you - YANBU to expect him to answer anything you want. There comes a point where he wouldn’t be unreasonable to say, “we can only move forward if we stop the details” - but that’s maybe 12 months away. If he’s not prepared to do this on your terms - your marriage is dead in the water.

UncharteredWaters · 31/08/2024 10:37

I’d spend the next few weeks months making sure your finances/legal side etc is all sorted before I’d make any decisions.

With the ages of your kids your ‘dh’ will play smart to string it out until he can screw you financially.

Then I’d make my decision about my marriage clearly aware that he could leave at any time.

personally it would be an ended for me. But I’d also rain factual hell down in them all. Her dh for a factual conversation of late night hotel room visits would be a first stop.

UnbelievableLie · 31/08/2024 10:36

Sorry OP, flogging a dead horse. I never understand wanting to hold onto a dead marriage because you've been together for X years. That's meaningless when clearly, it's not been a happy experience for either one of you.

SeeTheWorldAnotherWay · 31/08/2024 10:36

YANBU wanting to know but YABU to expect him to tell you and for thinking it might help you move on. He’s a liar and a cheat, and a coward. Totally agree with PP that he’s definitely had a physical relationship with her on multiple occasions. What man goes to just see a room? Come on!!!
Chances are she’s either ended it or given him an ultimatum and he’s now backtracking. Regardless, he’s behaved terribly, has spun you lines for years and, and, and…
But your inner switch has gone off. Trust me, that’s a one way switch and once it’s off, it’s off forever. The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.
It’s over, and it’s on him.

AgileGreenSeal · 31/08/2024 10:35

I’m so sorry this horrible man has treated you so badly. He’s disgusting. And yes, it has been physical.

MonsteraMama · 31/08/2024 10:35

Oh come on, they had a cup of tea and a chat? What utter bollocks.

I've known a few men cheat, they all had ED with their wives and mysteriously not with their OW. He's definitely shagged her.

He's a liar, emotionally abusive and a cheat. I couldn't lower my self respect enough to stay with someone like that, with or without all the details of his affair.

Twoshoesnewshoes · 31/08/2024 10:32

OP it sounds like the marriage just wasn’t working anyway. I do understand that it feels like he gave all of his emotional energy to her, but tbh it doesn’t seem like he would have connected with you anyway, regardless of anyone else on the scene.
couple counseling might be helpful to work out what you actually want and could achieve going forward?

Cosyblankets · 31/08/2024 10:32

Walk away

GoldenCactus · 31/08/2024 10:31

Even if you say "tell me everything or our marriage is over" and he tells you what he says is all the details, would you believe him? Absolute nonsense that he doesn't remember why he called her or what happened in that hotel room. He knows. He's been telling you as little as he can get away with. His story changes as you disclose you know more.

You say you recently found out- how did that happen, was it you pushing the hotel room location of a few months ago or has he confessed? If he has confessed I wonder if it's all unravelling and he's trying to get ahead of the story.

2Old2Tango · 31/08/2024 10:31

Please don't kid yourself that knowing the details will help you move on OP. Very likely they'll cut you to the core and you won't be able to stop thinking about them. That's why he won't reveal any more, because he knows it's bad and you'll likely not forgive him.

My guess is she was in it for the excitement, but didn't want more. Hence why he's now trying to make amends with you, because he knows there's no future in that relationship and he doesn't want to lose his home comforts or the respect of his kids (assuming they don't know).

Either get some counselling together to find a way forward with what you know now, or cut your losses and move on without him. Ask yourself the question though, will you ever trust him again if he goes on a night out or weekend away? I don't think I'd be able to in your situation.

Soontobe60 · 31/08/2024 10:31

I really can’t understand why you’re still together, neither of you is happy with the other! You’ve clearly been stalking him for a long time by checking his phone, checking his location, and he’s clearly been sleeping with another woman.
I’d just cut my losses and separate.

Betyouthinkthissongisaboutyou · 31/08/2024 10:31

It was physical.

He knows if he starts to share more details under the guise of an emotional affair he will trip himself up.

Your marriage seems to be over.

Even the fact that he has come up with the concept of an emotional affair seems to indicate that the OW is the one pulling his strings.

He has checked out.

Ultimately, I don’t know you or your DH so my advice is based only on my interpretation.

Sorry this has happened to you.

Usercyzabc · 31/08/2024 10:30

Usercyzabc · 31/08/2024 10:30

Like others have said OP this is a parallel relationship, so yes technically an affair but he’s been living a double life. The fact he has a relationship with her daughter is very telling.

Im sorry you’re having to deal with this, it is now a marriage of convenience so if you can accept that, then crack on I say. Go for more than the loft though, you’re worth far more.

Forgot to add he’s a selfish prick

Usercyzabc · 31/08/2024 10:30

Like others have said OP this is a parallel relationship, so yes technically an affair but he’s been living a double life. The fact he has a relationship with her daughter is very telling.

Im sorry you’re having to deal with this, it is now a marriage of convenience so if you can accept that, then crack on I say. Go for more than the loft though, you’re worth far more.

Dinosweetpea · 31/08/2024 10:29

This is 100% marriage ending even without the emotional abuse. He's a liar, cheat and abusive. Walk away, you can't recover from this.

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 31/08/2024 10:29

user9578 · 31/08/2024 10:24

Ok, putting my head on the chopping block here, but I had an affair. I admitted it to my DH, he never 'caught me' and I wanted to leave the marriage. Then-DH didn't want me to, he wanted to try and make things work, so I stayed for another few months.

He obviously wanted to know ALL the details but I didn't give them to him, I told him what he needed to know, because in me giving him all the details it would have done nothing but hurt him more. Quite honestly the 'details' were probably far worse than he could ever have dreamed up in his imagination.

I don't think you're unreasonable for wanting to know all the details of the affair however, I think you also need to protect yourself because there are some things you can't unhear. You say you don't think you have a marriage if he can't be truthful, but it doesn't sound like you really have one anyway at the moment. Will hearing all the sordid details improve that? I really really doubt it.

You say ‘then-husband’ - how did that work out for you?

I appreciate what you’re saying about not being able to unhear things, but without honesty what the fuck is the point?

Iwillcomeouttheotherend · 31/08/2024 10:28

lissom · 31/08/2024 10:02

This may come across completely left field and most will say 'leave him etc', but it feels like he is very remorseful. And yes 4 years is long, but you've been together much much longer. I would advise to, right now, take some time with him for a few days, take time off work, put a priority on it, and go away with him somewhere in nature, just a quiet place, and talk it all through, and figure out where you both want to go from here. Either you decide to work it out between you, in which case there needs to be a complete break with the woman and he may have to move jobs, you both go to counselling and work on your relationship together, or you decide that the marriage is properly over and then you get the chance to move on with your life. But you need that time to properly and openly discuss it with him. You can tell him that if he really means that he wants to stay in the marriage, he needs to be honest with you and you need to have a proper discussion of it all together and see how to move forward.

Thank you for your time to read and respond.
I really don’t think he will talk anymore about it, not just the specific details but in general.
He becomes so stressed whenever I ask him anything about it or bring up the subject.
He won’t leave the job, he’s worked there for 35 years.
Cant imagine she will either, shes been there about 5 years.
He very much is showing me by his actions but im desperate to talk.

OP posts:
SnowflakeSmasher86 · 31/08/2024 10:27

Sounds like you’re trauma bonding. Be careful that you don’t let him gloss over all this with empty promises and love bombing you. Of course he’s eager for you say you love him too - that means he didn’t do anything that bad, because otherwise then you wouldn’t love him anymore. Oh wait.

I would bet the ED coincided with the start of the affair - many unfaithful men feel like they’re cheating on their affair partner by having sex with their wife. For that reason I definitely wouldn’t believe him that nothing physical happened. Just because he was struggling to do it with you, sadly that doesn’t mean he struggled with her.

I think he needs to move out, you need some counselling alone to work out why you put up with his abusive behaviour towards you for all those years, and then you can decide whether you want to try again with him - and it would have to be a new start, not just papering over the cracks of his betrayal and pretending it didn’t happen.

Lack of total honesty from him would be a deal breaker for me too. Either he tells you everything or he fucks off right now. How can you forgive when you don’t actually know what you’re forgiving him for?

I’m so sorry, this is devastating for you, but you’ll be ok. Plenty of women on here who’ve been through it and come out stronger and happier than ever. Mainly single.

Suzuran · 31/08/2024 10:25

This is called trauma mining and it won’t give you the closure you want, because it’s never enough.

The fact that he says it’s too stressful for him to continue giving you the information you want speaks volumes, though. This doesn’t show true remorse as someone who is truly remorseful would do everything and anything to make things right by you, and that includes answering every question you have regardless of how ‘stressful’ it is. He’s still hiding things from you and if he keeps talking, it will eventually come out amidst all of his lies trying to minimise what he’s done,

I agree with the others, the chances that it wasn’t physical are next to none.

Webbymeister · 31/08/2024 10:25

Why would you want to stay with this man?

user9578 · 31/08/2024 10:24

Ok, putting my head on the chopping block here, but I had an affair. I admitted it to my DH, he never 'caught me' and I wanted to leave the marriage. Then-DH didn't want me to, he wanted to try and make things work, so I stayed for another few months.

He obviously wanted to know ALL the details but I didn't give them to him, I told him what he needed to know, because in me giving him all the details it would have done nothing but hurt him more. Quite honestly the 'details' were probably far worse than he could ever have dreamed up in his imagination.

I don't think you're unreasonable for wanting to know all the details of the affair however, I think you also need to protect yourself because there are some things you can't unhear. You say you don't think you have a marriage if he can't be truthful, but it doesn't sound like you really have one anyway at the moment. Will hearing all the sordid details improve that? I really really doubt it.

Life2Short4Nonsense · 31/08/2024 10:23

OP, you're not unreasonable for wanting the details, but you are unreasonable for thinking you can't move on without them. You absolutely can and you can't make him do something he does not want to do, even though it would be right that he told you all, considering he has majorly betrayed your trust.

But I do not believe all the details will fix anything or make it less painful. If anything, it will hurt worse.

For me it would be the end. Once trust is gone, you never get it back. The relationship you thought you had was gone the moment he cheated. All you can do is accept it and decide what you'll do next based on what happened..

Cherrysoup · 31/08/2024 10:17

Yanbu, but from everything you’ve said, it sounds like your marriage is dead anyway. He sounds emotionally abusive and uncaring. This is just the skanky cherry on the top.

Cantgetausername87 · 31/08/2024 10:16

Sounds like she's called it off to be honest, and he's now trying to crawl back. This doesn't add up to an emotional affair its very clear it was physical.
I'm not sure that you'll ever know the details - dh sounds like a bit of a dick if I'm honest and has no intentions of being really clear and upfront with what went on.
Only you know what you want to do, you don't have to decide right now and can give yourself some time. I hope it all works out for you whatever you choose x

Babychewtoy · 31/08/2024 10:16

Even without the affair, you still say he’s emotionally abusive. Why would you want to stay with someone who has given you scraps for the last 5 years.

He’s being nice to you now because he doesn’t want to be single. He clearly doesnt have any respect or care for you… He wants to keep all the convenience of staying married to you. The nice home, the appearance of being a family man, not upsetting the children, not having to move somewhere else and do all his own shopping and washing and cleaning.

You deserve a lot more than this OP. He can turn it off again just as quickly once he’s convinced you to stay.