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AIBU to insist on details of husbands affair, he can’t / refuses to give and I can’t move on without details.

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Iwillcomeouttheotherend · 31/08/2024 09:46

NC and apols for long post. PLEASE read and advise me, I’m desperate!

Feels like My whole world has just fallen apart.
Been with DH 30 years, married for 22yr, we have 4 DC age 20, 18, 16 and 15.
I’ve just found out that DH has been having an emotional affair with OW at work for probably the last 4 -5 years and finding out has totally floored me. I had no idea, although now looking back all the signs were very much there. So for up to a quarter of our long marriage, he’s been “connected” to HER and not me. How could I have not known.
I can’t sleep, I’m running on adrenaline and having constant palpitations. The only thing I was ever 100% sure about in my life, was that my husband would always be faithful and that he was not capable of having an affair. 😳 Not in a million years did I believe he would ever do this.
DH is well liked, well respected, funny witty and charming and good at his job. There’s a lot of after work socialising which never bothered me because I 100% trusted him 😡
3 years ago his watsapp shows him / her “turning on disappearing messages” then turning it off again, over a couple of days and then left switched off. He says she was just showing him how it could be done as she’s a Wizz with tech and he so isn’t but loves learning new functions. This would have been around the same time that he switched off the watsapp notification banners from his phone.
From the few messages and call logs that he forgot to delete, I can see that whenever she messaged him, he would respond within minutes. I’ve gone thru my messages over 4 years, most of my messages went unanswered. He attends a lot of big sporting events thru work, she’s always there, in fact she’s arranged many of them. I’ve seen a few pics of them together at dinner or an event in a group (all male except HER). She’s always sat next to DH with a big ridiculous grin on her face, him clearly enjoying himself, I want to vomit.
We have a family app that shares all our locations, I often check it and screenshot it as our DD is ND, I don’t trust her when she’s out, she talks to all people and gets herself into difficult and risky situations (it’s a full time job trying to keep her safe.)
DP hadn’t told me he was going out on particular evening a few months ago (we weren’t talking at the time so I just assumed he was being his usual arsey disrespectful self in not telling me he had an event and would be late home). I took a few screenshots of his location that evening, which changed from a pub to a fancy hotel later in the evening (She lives some distance from work so sometimes stays in town when there’s an event)
Turns out he went back to her hotel room for over an hour at the end of the night (he denied this initially saying he only went to the bar in her hotel to have another drink with her, I’ve visited the hotel, it’s huge, the bar is at the far end of the hotel, his location at every check I made, was at the complete opposite end of the hotel where it shows the rooms are. He denies anything went on and he’d just gone up to look at the fancy room. He can’t remember what they talked about, they get on well, the conversation just flows and they enjoy each others company. He’d been drinking all evening, he can’t remember the details, assumes they had a cup of tea and a chat (He’d been with her at work since 9am that morning but still felt the need to stay in her company for over an hour more at 11pm.) He made 3 short calls to her upon arriving at the hotel that night, he can’t remember why but assumes that it was to arrange to meet her in the hotel, as they probably left the pub (5 mins away) separately so nobody from work would be suspicious. (If they are at that stage then I’m very sure that everyone at work will already suspect/know about the affair.) I feel physically sick and I am struggling to get past this without more information which he won’t give me.
He swore on the children’s lives that nothing physical went on. I am inclined to believe him as he struggles with ED and I don’t think he would have wanted to risk putting himself in a vulnerable position where he’d have no guarantee that he could “perform adequately” for her. I now 100% believe that if he didn’t struggle with ED, then the affair would have become physical also.
The same night DH received a message from HER daughter asking if “he’s with mum, cos she’s not picking up”. HER daughter also works for the company. There’s a few messages over the years from daughter asking about mums locations and asking DH to get her mum to call her. The cosiness of it all makes me feel sick. OW is married, her husband isn’t the father of the daughter.
There was a screenshot on his phone of a different hotel / different event / different day, he thinks it was probably the directions to “walk her back safely to her hotel” on that occasion but “can’t remember.”
Our relationship over the last 4 years has not been good. I’ve accused him so many times of being “emotionally abusive.” He’s been totally detached, returning from work either ignoring me completely or if I dared to speak to him he would shout at me or hurl insults. If I wanted to give him updates on the children, he’d shout asking why I was telling him that NOW, as “he’s just walked thru the door / just going to the gym / just eaten his dinner/ just going to bed.” Basically there was never a good time to talk to him, he had been getting his “fix” from HER throughout the day and had nothing left for me, she has been meeting all his emotional needs and sharing all the small talk, which should have been shared with me, his wife.
All he ever wanted to do when he was at home, was sit glued to the TV or his phone.
He’s had a few weekends abroad with his friends (I don’t doubt this as I know the friends). On his return he would barely say Hi to me as he walked thru the door, he would never share the details of his weekend away, he simply did not want to communicate with me. I’ve since seen in messages, he and HER would discuss his weekend away.
I took DD away for 5 days, he never called me once to chat or see how we were getting on.
I went away with my friends for a few days, he worked from home, he called her at 7:35am, he must have been waking up thinking of her. He spent 40 minutes on a call to her later that day. He couldn’t even spend 2 minutes talking to me when I returned home.
As things got worse between us over the 4 yrs, I always had hope that one day he’d calm down, stop being so distant, rude and aggressive towards me and the children. I even contacted his GP and asked him to consider changing his BP meds as they were causing mood changes and making him angry all the time ! As he was getting emotionally closer to her he was putting more distance between us to ease his guilt no doubt.
After admitting the emotional affair, He now recognises he “lost focus” and is really trying his best to be a better husband. We’re talking so much more, there’s hugs and we’ve had sex again. He wants to book more holidays, he’s told me to make enquiries about the loft extension I’ve wanted for 10 years and he wants us to renew our wedding vows. He is making a HUGE effort, I’d genuinly forgotten how good we could be together. Unfortunately the big light inside of me has switched off, yes I’m very much enjoying him showing me all the respect, interest and care that I’ve so craved and needed this last 4 years, but I’m struggling to get past all the lies and deceit and every time he shows me respect I’m totally conflicted, it reminds me of the hell I’ve been thru the last 4 years and what I have missed out on due to his selfish infidelity. He continued to lie about the details and extent of their “very good connection” even after I found out. It was only after me putting together the few messages he hadn’t deleted, his location screen shots and checking it all back to my personal diary that he eventually admitted and became truthful about some of their “togethers”. There must be millions of others that I don’t know about because the information is now all deleted.
He’s now refusing to answer anymore questions, says he’s told me everything he can and he can’t / won’t be telling me anymore, it’s too stressful for him. (He told me very little other than answer direct questions I asked about the content of a few messages I had actually seen.) He will show me by his actions from here on in, that he’s sorry and wants to be a better husband. I definitely see him making a big effort to show me he loves me and he’s sorry.
He keeps telling me how much he loves me and is desperate for me to say it back to him. I can’t as I no longer know what love is. I thought I loved him even during the 4 years that he treated me so appallingly and desperately tried to pin his changed behaviour / distance and aggression towards me on the BP meds. How bloody naive and trusting was I.
I am an incredibly strong and resilient woman but I don’t think that I can move on without knowing the details, I cannot process it unless I know exactly what I am processing and the depth of their relationship / deceit.
I’m awake in the middles of the night with all these scenarios and questions bashing my skull. I can’t think of anything else. I really feel I’m heading for a breakdown. I flit from thinking I need to speak to her, to I need to tell her husband, but really what I need, is for him to tell me, and be honest about all the “details”, it will no doubt be extremely painful for me (him too), but I’d like to think that once I know details, I can process them and in time hopefully think about them less, maybe come to terms with it and move on.
AIBU to insist on the details. Pressuring him for more may well tip him over the edge.
Without them, I don’t think we have a marriage if he can’t be honest with me after what he’s put me thru.
Thank you if you’ve read this far. I’m desperate for advice.

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Freeme31 · 28/10/2024 20:30

Good luck OP this is ultimately your decision and don't force or rush into staying together none of this is your making and know you can leave at any point in the marriage and it's important for him to know this too. Please don't force yourself to "get over it" you never will even if you try. Just take each day as it comes and don't focus or promise him a future or give false hope to yourself after the counselling you may decide you can't live with the devastation he chose to inflict on you. However you must do what is best for you and only you, he is secondary never again put him first he can't be trusted with your heart. That said in perhaps 5 years if he continues to show true remorse (yes it will take that long for it not to be at the forefront of your mind every day) you can start to discuss future plans but promise him nothing. People can change and he may well put in the work to change hopefully guilt and shame drive his remorse for change because he "hates" the man he was and wants to become a better version of himself so he can prove beyond any shadow of a doubt he is a safe person for you. If at anytime/point you feel he is slipping back to his old way you know you will need to end it and save yourself from him. Hopefully you can both get back on track you've picked the harder path so i wish you all the luck in the world.

cjcghana · 28/10/2024 17:35

Bloody hell. I'm so very upset for you. What a twat. Wishing you well x

Newdaynewstarts · 28/10/2024 17:25

Leave him, even if temporarily, and get your head together. Decide if you can accept his lies or not. He is lying! 🤥 big fat lies. There is the truth and what he knows to will accept, you have stepped a few inches towards the truth. Hell, he won’t even tell you anything else, because if he tells the truth … it’s game over. He knows that.
I wish I left for a while, I peddled on for months and months before any truths came out. I am in the void of time now waiting to see if he is telling the truth (nowhere as long or shit as your situation but similar vein) or hankering after her. I do this because I am too scared of ripping apart the family, his mil lives with us, she’s wonderful and I don’t want to upset her. It’s hell, reclaiming my
rights to be treated with respect is liberating though.

AdviceNeeded2024 · 28/10/2024 17:15

its completely your decision if you want to try again OP only you truly know your feelings and relationship and no one has the right to flame you for that.

It sounds like your husband is making real steps to right what he’s done, and you’re right it will take a long time for you to get over this but as long as he continues putting in the work and doesn’t let it slip after a couple of months, he needs to realise he’s got to work very hard to earn your trust back. Don’t feel bad about reading the diary to him - he needs to understand the full impact of his actions to be able to make amends.

Her sending messages saying her husband hit her - she may be lying, she may not but ultimately it’s none of your husbands business and sounds like she wants him to ‘rescue her’ she might persist with the messages a little longer until she loses interest.

I wish you well and hope you and your husband can both get back to a place of happiness.

Iwillcomeouttheotherend · 28/10/2024 17:07

Many thanks for all your advice and support, I truly appreciate it.
I am expecting a backlash here but we are trying to work things out.
I am starting counselling on my own to help me deal with the shock and help me process the huge betrayal and then move to couples counselling.
He is well and truly fighting for a future with me.
A future with me is by no means “the easy option” right now for either of us, it's painful and uncomfortable as all I want / need, is to talk about it and he understands that it may take possibly years for me to recover and move on from this.
He is showing me a side to him that I’d forgotten he was capable of.
She is working remotely atm and I’m hopeful this will continue. Apparently she’s still denying the affair to her husband (despite me providing him evidence that they were together in the hotel). FWIW, she’s had an affair on each of her long term partners / husbands / fathers of her grown up kids, after the affair is established she’s then left current partner for affair partner.
She sent him a picture last week, apparently her husband has hit her.
My husband sent her a message asking once again that she does not message/ contact him outside of what is strictly necessary for work.
He is being totally transparent with me, leaves his phone out / at home the whole time, dog walks etc etc
He is Checking in with me all the time. We are spending much quality time together and communicating better than we have in years.
It’s all rather surreal as I’m still in a state of shock and focussing on the affair all the time.
My daughter is always sending little memory videos / pics of the things we did as a family over the years (she’s always done this.)
Every single pic, I reference back to him how many days/ weeks that was before/ after he’d attended an event or hotel with her. (He’s given me the access codes to the hotel booking account and online order for Viagra etc so I have all the details.) I read him back entries from my diary for the dates he was with her. It makes uncomfortable reading and He would rather I didn't, but it makes me feel a little better, it feels like I’m handing the pain of those diary entries and the reality of what he was doing at those times, back to him.
Only time will tell.

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Codlingmoths · 24/10/2024 10:46

Lies on lies on lies. Oh she was so confused about why it might be an EA? Oh funny that. Now he’s desperate to be with you is he? You can’t ever trust him again.

LivelyMintViper · 24/10/2024 09:58

I am so so sorry. You don't deserve this. Get him to put his offer about the house in writing. You need as much financial resource for you and your family as you can get. What an absolute bastard.

GoldenSunflowers · 24/10/2024 09:08

What a turn of events. I suppose the sex was going to come out eventually. There was too much deceit involved for “only” an EA. I hope the kids are ok, it can’t have been a nice atmosphere in the house for anyone.

BlastedPimples · 24/10/2024 08:30

@Iwillcomeouttheotherend I am so sorry for your pain.

It's horrendous. It really is. The cruelty is amazing.

But your username is right.

You're already on the path to healing and recovery.

This is because you now know the truth. You're at the most painful stage. But he can't hurt you further.

You can really focus on yourself. Not your marriage. Yourself.

It might be just the basics right now. Keeping yourself fed and crying a lot. But you will start to look further ahead.

One day at a time. You will get through this and you will not let the vileness of this man defeat you.

All power to you.

Maray1967 · 24/10/2024 07:30

So am I. I too wondered whether he was actually having sex with her despite his medical problems as the little trip to her hotel room sounded very dodgy.

He has lied and lied and lied.

Please look after yourself. Make yourself eat and get some exercise/fresh air. Others can give you the benefit of their experience, but it sounds like him moving out is best and that you need to get good legal advice now.

OopsyDaisie · 24/10/2024 06:52

@Iwillcomeouttheotherend I am thinking about you and wondering how you are doing. X

simpledeer · 17/10/2024 10:52

I would take him up on his offer to leave, although I suspect he will backtrack.

There is obviously no coming back from this. When you feel ready (when the anger comes). see a solicitor and file for divorce.

So sorry, but he’s the loser.

DeireadhFomhair · 17/10/2024 09:28

Backtoblack87 · 16/10/2024 20:09

You’re being naive to think they didn’t have sex. No offence but he probably couldn’t get it up for you as he had been having sex with her! Knowing details won’t make it easier, you’ll never trust him again anyway. I’d leave and respect yourself.

Case in point@Iwillcomeouttheotherend for why I suggested starting a new thread.

For any newcomers... physical affair has been confirmed and OP is distraught.

Projectme · 17/10/2024 09:19

It all depends on what you want from what's left of your relationship OP but given the shock you've had, you probably can't tell your arse from your elbow right now, let alone whether you want to salvage something with him. Can it possibly be salvaged if he is SO remorseful? Would you consider counselling to try and make repair?

(Personally, I'd have him packing his bags and I'd be speaking to a solicitor to commence divorce proceedings and to ensure you nail him for as much as you can. His guilt will flush away pretty sharpish, whereas his betrayal will live with you forever, so if he's said you can have the house, I'd get shot of him right now.

I'm so so sorry for you. I hope you have people IRL who can prop you up. Massive hugs.

Backtoblack87 · 16/10/2024 20:09

You’re being naive to think they didn’t have sex. No offence but he probably couldn’t get it up for you as he had been having sex with her! Knowing details won’t make it easier, you’ll never trust him again anyway. I’d leave and respect yourself.

canyouletthedogoutplease · 16/10/2024 20:07

he will move out tomorrow if it’s what I want, and he will let me keep the house

I'd excecute this asap before he changes his mind. And he will.

I'm sorry, this is absolutely shit, I hope you have people around you who can support you through this. You will get through it and out the other side, but now is the time to not believe another word out of his mouth, no matter how tempting it is. Be selfish and put yourself into the best position from which to move forward as well as is possible.

DeeCeeCherry · 16/10/2024 20:01

I took DD away for 5 days, he never called me once to chat or see how we were getting on.
I went away with my friends for a few days, he worked from home, he called her at 7:35am, he must have been waking up thinking of her. He spent 40 minutes on a call to her later that day. He couldn’t even spend 2 minutes talking to me when I returned home.

In all of that this is what stood out the most for me. As a man with wife and daughter he's investing in this woman emotionally to the detriment of his family. It's sad. I don't know how you'll get through this because it's likely you won't ever trust him again, particularly as presumably he and her will still be working together.

I know you mentioned ED meaning perhaps it isn't physical between them. But it's the other things isn't it that play on your mind - the stories, secrets, emotional closeness, extra time he's sharing with her. & as pp's have said there are many ways to be intimate whereby his ED won't be an issue.

He is a selfish pig with a 'you'll just have to deal with it' attitude. Only you know if you can.

Parkmybentley · 16/10/2024 19:56

What a bastard.

More importantly, he has treated you and the kids like shit for YEARS. Ideally you would have kicked him out for that alone.

I'm sorry it's ending this way. You're doing the right thing.

DeireadhFomhair · 16/10/2024 19:43

Iwillcomeouttheotherend · 16/10/2024 18:45

Ive only just found out about the sex. I am in a complete and utter state of serious shock. I’ve gone nights with no sleep and nights with just 2 or 3 hours, I’ve lost a stone in weight and I look and feel shocking, I can’t sleep and I don’t want to eat. This has TOTALLY DESTROYED me and I feel I am on the verge of a serious breakdown. My family are/were my EVERYTHING. It feels like my whole life over the past 4+ years was a complete and utter lie. I’ve always had so much zest and love for life and people, I now feel dead inside. Which parts of my life were actually real? We did have some amazing times together during those 4 years!!! (It wasn’t all bad). And every “happy memory” is now filled with the thought of them 2 doing their selfish stuff and lies, lies, lies. I’ve read my diary which documented events over those years (diary filled with family events etc which I was able to tally back to other information I “obtained” , dates he was out, dates I was out) After he admitted to EA, he was REALLY trying and showed me a marriage that I’d forgotten I once enjoyed with him, and I thought there was a chance for us. I continued to dig as he was fluffing over some of the specifics. (I don’t want to reveal how, in case SHE is on here but I got into his emails and found the 2 X orders for Viagra, the ironic thing was that the Viagra made him feel sick and throbbing head so wasn’t used that much but he was obv comfortable enough with her to do other stuff) That’s the day my heart died and I’m so sad. He is ABSOLUTELY DESPERATE, (suddenly full of guilt and remorse) for us to make it work or, he will move out tomorrow if it’s what I want, and he will let me keep the house. At the moment I am just about functioning. It’s definitely finished between them. Her husband is distraught as he believed it finished 3 years ago. He told me “my wife is a slag” … I guess she’s got form for this. Thanks for your kind words.

I can feel your pain, I'm so sorry. MN can be great support at times like this, so come here if you need to (even start a new thread of you want, to avoid people answering the original Q).

I'm not sure how it works where you live but try to get as much out of him now, the guilt will soon ease and he'll fight you for every penny.
Talk to friends, family too. Take care of yourself 💐

Omgblueskys · 16/10/2024 18:57

Iwillcomeouttheotherend · 16/10/2024 18:45

Ive only just found out about the sex. I am in a complete and utter state of serious shock. I’ve gone nights with no sleep and nights with just 2 or 3 hours, I’ve lost a stone in weight and I look and feel shocking, I can’t sleep and I don’t want to eat. This has TOTALLY DESTROYED me and I feel I am on the verge of a serious breakdown. My family are/were my EVERYTHING. It feels like my whole life over the past 4+ years was a complete and utter lie. I’ve always had so much zest and love for life and people, I now feel dead inside. Which parts of my life were actually real? We did have some amazing times together during those 4 years!!! (It wasn’t all bad). And every “happy memory” is now filled with the thought of them 2 doing their selfish stuff and lies, lies, lies. I’ve read my diary which documented events over those years (diary filled with family events etc which I was able to tally back to other information I “obtained” , dates he was out, dates I was out) After he admitted to EA, he was REALLY trying and showed me a marriage that I’d forgotten I once enjoyed with him, and I thought there was a chance for us. I continued to dig as he was fluffing over some of the specifics. (I don’t want to reveal how, in case SHE is on here but I got into his emails and found the 2 X orders for Viagra, the ironic thing was that the Viagra made him feel sick and throbbing head so wasn’t used that much but he was obv comfortable enough with her to do other stuff) That’s the day my heart died and I’m so sad. He is ABSOLUTELY DESPERATE, (suddenly full of guilt and remorse) for us to make it work or, he will move out tomorrow if it’s what I want, and he will let me keep the house. At the moment I am just about functioning. It’s definitely finished between them. Her husband is distraught as he believed it finished 3 years ago. He told me “my wife is a slag” … I guess she’s got form for this. Thanks for your kind words.

Big hug op, be kind to yourself, sometime to think, to cry, morn your relationship, just give yourself some time to find your strength, this is just ewful, hugs

Iwillcomeouttheotherend · 16/10/2024 18:45

DeireadhFomhair · 16/10/2024 16:46

Oh @Iwillcomeouttheotherend I'm so sad for you 💐 but can only be good that you now know.

How did you find out for sure? Did he admit it?
How are things now? I hope you're OK! Just remember, you are better than him & worth so much more! This too shall pass 🙏

Ive only just found out about the sex. I am in a complete and utter state of serious shock. I’ve gone nights with no sleep and nights with just 2 or 3 hours, I’ve lost a stone in weight and I look and feel shocking, I can’t sleep and I don’t want to eat. This has TOTALLY DESTROYED me and I feel I am on the verge of a serious breakdown. My family are/were my EVERYTHING. It feels like my whole life over the past 4+ years was a complete and utter lie. I’ve always had so much zest and love for life and people, I now feel dead inside. Which parts of my life were actually real? We did have some amazing times together during those 4 years!!! (It wasn’t all bad). And every “happy memory” is now filled with the thought of them 2 doing their selfish stuff and lies, lies, lies. I’ve read my diary which documented events over those years (diary filled with family events etc which I was able to tally back to other information I “obtained” , dates he was out, dates I was out) After he admitted to EA, he was REALLY trying and showed me a marriage that I’d forgotten I once enjoyed with him, and I thought there was a chance for us. I continued to dig as he was fluffing over some of the specifics. (I don’t want to reveal how, in case SHE is on here but I got into his emails and found the 2 X orders for Viagra, the ironic thing was that the Viagra made him feel sick and throbbing head so wasn’t used that much but he was obv comfortable enough with her to do other stuff) That’s the day my heart died and I’m so sad. He is ABSOLUTELY DESPERATE, (suddenly full of guilt and remorse) for us to make it work or, he will move out tomorrow if it’s what I want, and he will let me keep the house. At the moment I am just about functioning. It’s definitely finished between them. Her husband is distraught as he believed it finished 3 years ago. He told me “my wife is a slag” … I guess she’s got form for this. Thanks for your kind words.

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Projectme · 16/10/2024 17:51

Oh how awful 😖 so sorry you've discovered the real truth. What a shit he is.
Also risked his health by taking viagra...all for a shag with OW. Urgh.

OopsyDaisie · 16/10/2024 17:40

I'm sorry you found out the affair was sexual, and despite the health risks of taking Viagra with his other medication he still did....
This must be incredibly painful on top of everything else.
Time to plan your exit, there's nothing left for you to stay, is there?

BlastedPimples · 16/10/2024 16:48

So sorry you found out he is a skank.

You must be so distressed.

But at least you now know for sure.

DeireadhFomhair · 16/10/2024 16:46

Oh @Iwillcomeouttheotherend I'm so sad for you 💐 but can only be good that you now know.

How did you find out for sure? Did he admit it?
How are things now? I hope you're OK! Just remember, you are better than him & worth so much more! This too shall pass 🙏

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