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To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 17:26

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

Resignation letter from a John Lewis Partner

The John Lewis Partnership is abusing its female staff and customers

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

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GailBlancheViola · 31/08/2024 22:21

This thread is literally about the fact the OP would like to deny transwomen the rights that they’ve been given by John Lewis, Wes. Read from the beginning….

Interesting you say the rights John Lewis have given to them are you finally now accepting that they do not have these rights in Law?

Duckinglunacy · 31/08/2024 22:21

Our local JL is ridiculous on changing rooms anyway. They have dedicated children’s changing rooms but they are often not in use. Their solution is to send children to the next over set of changing rooms, in the women’s department. This includes teen and pre-teen boys. Absolutely horrific for my kids who very much didn’t want to be in the women’s changing room (the men’s are on a totally different floor and miles away and the staff wanted them in the women’s). The other women using the facilities also didn’t want my young boys in there (and the noise and fuss) and the staff couldn’t care less. Couldn’t even empathise.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/08/2024 22:17

Ive got to that paranoid stage where i screen shot my posts 😳

Cailleach1 · 31/08/2024 21:50

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BernardBlacksBreakfastWine · 31/08/2024 21:48

Every single poster knows that a man can’t be a woman. Some are willing to pretend otherwise for reasons that must make sense to them.

Everyone is, of course, entitled to their opinion. They’re just not entitled to make everyone behave as if their delusion is fact.

Has it occurred to any of the transphobia-accusers that the women you’re accusing of transphobia are probably the same sort of women who’ve fought sexism, racism, homophobia - all the ‘isms’ - probably before some of you were even aware there was prejudice in the world. We’re not bigots. Why would we suddenly become bigots now? Can you not see what’s happening?

BernardBlacksBreakfastWine · 31/08/2024 21:44

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Elbone · 31/08/2024 21:40

Can a male deer be a doe?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 21:37

I think anyone who comes out with 'males can be women' which isn't a difference of opinion but factually incorrect, insists that men have a right to be in female spaces to the detriment of women (and a big fuck you to boot), belittling women's lived experience of things like sexual assault, denying women who for religious reasons want to be away from men in their single SEX spaces and women who just don't fucking want to share their spaces with boundary pushing men, would do well to get away with a little patronising post.

Elbone · 31/08/2024 21:19

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TheKeatingFive · 31/08/2024 21:11

BiggerBoat1 · 31/08/2024 21:07

How incredibly patronising. Maybe @ElleWoods15 isn’t interested in your forgiveness and maybe also has a valid opinion even if it happens to be different to yours.

@ElleWoods15 thinks men can women. I struggle to see how that could be positioned as a 'valid opinion'. On what grounds?

BiggerBoat1 · 31/08/2024 21:07

Elbone · 31/08/2024 20:58

Look, I get it. Being on the side of men and belittling women is an evolutionary survival instinct in women.
@ElleWoods15 at al. I forgive you. But I will continue to work against you.

Women’s rights are not solely yours to hand over to men.

How incredibly patronising. Maybe @ElleWoods15 isn’t interested in your forgiveness and maybe also has a valid opinion even if it happens to be different to yours.

Elbone · 31/08/2024 20:58

Look, I get it. Being on the side of men and belittling women is an evolutionary survival instinct in women.
@ElleWoods15 at al. I forgive you. But I will continue to work against you.

Women’s rights are not solely yours to hand over to men.

WickedSerious · 31/08/2024 20:57

ElleWoods15 · 31/08/2024 20:28

For me personally, it’s not the activist bit. It’s the ‘men’s rights’ bit, when what I am advocating for is the rights of transwomen (who I am clear are women). But I suspect you (and your fellow GC posters now expressing disbelief that it is considered offensive) already knew that.

You are advocating for the rights of men,the fact that you imagine them to be something else doesn't change what they are.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:53

ElleWoods15 · 31/08/2024 20:48

You would like (as I understand it) for trans women not to be able to use the changing rooms or loos specific to the gender they identify as. Do you disagree with that as a description?

Why would you not campaign for biological males to be more accommodating to males with a different ‘gender identity’, whatever you describe that to be. Why would you not want to advocate for third spaces?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:51

ElleWoods15 · 31/08/2024 20:48

You would like (as I understand it) for trans women not to be able to use the changing rooms or loos specific to the gender they identify as. Do you disagree with that as a description?

Define gender identity. What about those who do not subscribe to or believe in gender identify?

I think biolgical males should not use changing rooms or loos for biological females.

If someone in a 45 year old body, identified as a 16 year old, would you advocate for them to go into the space designated for the 16 year old? That’s their inner identify after all.

ElleWoods15 · 31/08/2024 20:48

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:44

Avoiding the question/s as per. Quelle surprise.

So trans women don’t have the right to use a bathroom or changing room?

You would like (as I understand it) for trans women not to be able to use the changing rooms or loos specific to the gender they identify as. Do you disagree with that as a description?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:44

ElleWoods15 · 31/08/2024 20:42

This thread is literally about the fact the OP would like to deny transwomen the rights that they’ve been given by John Lewis, Wes. Read from the beginning….

Avoiding the question/s as per. Quelle surprise.

So trans women don’t have the right to use a bathroom or changing room?

ElleWoods15 · 31/08/2024 20:42

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:34

What rights do transwomen (men) not already have, out of interest?

Would you advocate the same if someone absolutely believed they were a different age? Their body might be 45, but they believed in their inner soul they were 18. Is that ok? Can they participate in things solely for 18 year olds? What about different race?

This thread is literally about the fact the OP would like to deny transwomen the rights that they’ve been given by John Lewis, Wes. Read from the beginning….

Theeyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2024 20:41

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/08/2024 20:35

Quite. But the anti trans panic has to convince everyone that it's dangerous because something something ... not that they are prejudiced, heaven forfend.🙄

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Nah we just don’t think allowing men in women’s single sex spaces is a good idea. We keep men out however they present becatse we have no way of differentiating between men who are fine, men who get their kicks out of listening to women pissing for example or a man who is going to assault someone

my husband is lovely & wouldn’t hurt anyone but I don’t expect other women to just know this by telepathy hence he’s kept out of women’s spaces. He doesn’t take it personally because he’s not a self obsessed arse, he understands it’s about keeping out all men not just him

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:41

BeachParty · 31/08/2024 20:38

Nobody has ever just got deleted for saying yawn or bless. 🙄
Look, I just said it now.
Context. Background. Always conveniently missing.
Reminds me of those crying about racist rioters "just getting arrested for saying hurty words on the internet" 🙄
Conveniently missing out any context.
Exact. Same. Argument.

Any context about how men can become women, and if women can be transwomen by the arguments given here would be most welcome. Or will this be avoided. Every. Single. Time.

MellersSmellers · 31/08/2024 20:41

No I'm not boycotting JL based on that scanty information.
My previous workplace had unisex toilets. Each cubicle was self-contained, lockable, no urinals, own sink and mirror. No problem.
There's no information in that letter on what they have in mind.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/08/2024 20:40

🤷🏻

BeachParty · 31/08/2024 20:38

Nobody has ever just got deleted for saying yawn or bless. 🙄
Look, I just said it now.
Context. Background. Always conveniently missing.
Reminds me of those crying about racist rioters "just getting arrested for saying hurty words on the internet" 🙄
Conveniently missing out any context.
Exact. Same. Argument.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 31/08/2024 20:38

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 31/08/2024 20:35

Quite. But the anti trans panic has to convince everyone that it's dangerous because something something ... not that they are prejudiced, heaven forfend.🙄

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*anti men in women’s spaces. Try reading the thread/letter it’s actually about.

BeachParty · 31/08/2024 20:35

The post literally says personal attacks and transphobic.
So why repeat the personal attack bit?
(Maybe an excuse to tag someone in to attack them again?)
I was asking what else do you get deleted for as the pp was saying you don't only get deleted for those.